school uniforms Options

[juliar]

Should school uniforms be a definitely in schools?

[sadolakced acid]

you school doesn't let people wear all black? that's so wrong.
i don't wear all black, but if someone wants to, it should be ok. you can't prove it causes anything bad.


what i see in the people who are saying that with uniforms they don't have to pick, and that they don't have to worry about what to wear.

have you lost all sense? you are priding letting other people pick what you wear. you are priding giving over or ychoice to a group or people called the school board.

and the school does not serve the parents. the school serves the childern. it doesn't matter if the parents pay, the school is there to serve the childern. it teaches the kids.

[Spirited Away]

i don't wear all black, but if someone wants to, it should be ok.  you can't prove it causes anything bad.

In the mid 1990s, there was a rave going around saying that gangs picked certain colors to signify their territory. Students who were involved in the gangster world would wear such colors.

I'm not sure if that kind of thing still happen nowdays, but in the event that it does, uniforms would prevent it.

what i see in the people who are saying that with uniforms they don't have to pick, and that they don't have to worry about what to wear.

have you lost all sense?  you are priding letting other people pick what you wear.  you are priding giving over or ychoice to a group  or people called the school board.

Well, that wasn't MY argument, but I'll speak up anyway. Like I said before, this sounds like an independence issue. You're not really independent if you still depends on your parents for a living.

I don't pride myself on having people pick out things for me, but I do appreciate them for making choices that they feel is for my best interest. When I was younger, I thought that children needs such to have guidance from adults, and I still do.

and the school does not serve the parents.  the school serves the childern.  it doesn't matter if the parents pay, the school is there to serve the childern.  it teaches the kids.

The schools ONLY serve the children because their parents and/or government pay for the such services. Therefore, the paying customer is the one who must get to make the final decisions.

The teaching itself is the service, but they only get the service if they paid.

[jarnifer]

you school doesn't let people wear all black? that's so wrong.
i don't wear all black, but if someone wants to, it should be ok. you can't prove it causes anything bad.


what i see in the people who are saying that with uniforms they don't have to pick, and that they don't have to worry about what to wear.

have you lost all sense? you are priding letting other people pick what you wear. you are priding giving over or ychoice to a group or people called the school board.

and the school does not serve the parents. the school serves the childern. it doesn't matter if the parents pay, the school is there to serve the childern. it teaches the kids.

oh puh-leez...

as u said the purpose of school is to TEACH the kids...
then wouldn't having uniforms be better because we wouldn't have ONE less thing worrying about? instead we could focus our attention on something....like our....academics?

really...we get to wear our own clothes out of school and after we graduate...

and it's not like school occupies our entire life...

we all have our own "style" and individuality whether we wear our own clothes or not...

and actually...i support uniforms not only because I'm lazy (hahaha) but mainly due to the fact that IT DOES eliminate a lot of problems/prejudice that arises based on appearance/clothes/sub-cultures,etc....

If we weren't wearing uniforms at my school...i'm totally sure that i wouldn't be able to be friends with certain people...not that i'm a loser or whatever...just meeting different ppl from different cliques...
We have dress down days...and those are the days where we finally see what each others "tastes" are...
But then, seeing each other in street clothes doesn't matter anyone because we already know each other quite well....

And having experience in BOTH kinds of school (with and w/o uniforms)...i totally FOR uniforms...

[sadolakced acid]

haha. so they ban certain colors... just because gangs might wear them. so what happens when they ban all colors?

it's just like the ban on cell phones... they used to be used for drug deals, but not anymore.

and the reason for this is why schools are so flawed

the students should be the ones treated as the customer, after all the school is to serve them.

but the parents get control because they pay.

so, that is why my school has the firstborn plague of egypt living in our celing. it's a toxic mold that the parents don't know how bad is. it took a TV camera and a programe on the 6 o'clock news for the parents to realize and provoke the counsil to do something.

independence issue, eh? you keep saying that. but i think it's more of a freedom issue. this country is about freedom. about being able to do stuff without 'the man' telling you you cannot.

i'm not saying to wear what you want with disregard to your parents. i'm saying to wear what you want in disregard to the school board.

[Spirited Away]

we all have our own "style" and individuality whether we wear our own clothes or not...

and actually...i support uniforms not only because I'm lazy (hahaha) but mainly due to the fact that IT DOES eliminate a lot of problems/prejudice that arises based on appearance/clothes/sub-cultures,etc....

Exactly.

And if you must know, it is a priviledge to be able to go to school, even though many kids will not think so.

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haha. so they ban certain colors... just because gangs might wear them. so what happens when they ban all colors?

They need not if they have uniforms.

it's just like the ban on cell phones... they used to be used for drug deals, but not anymore.

No, banning phones during test taking is ingenius.

and the reason for this is why schools are so flawed

No school is perfect.

the students should be the ones treated as the customer, after all the school is to serve them.

Well, the parents are the ones paying. So in your words, if you pay for someone else to have the service, you have no say in what you want for that person? Oh boy, wait til you're a parent.

so, that is why my school has the firstborn plague of egypt living in our celing. it's a toxic mold that the parents don't know how bad is. it took a TV camera and a programe on the 6 o'clock news for the parents to realize and provoke the counsil to do something.

independence issue, eh? you keep saying that. but i think it's more of a freedom issue. this country is about freedom. about being able to do stuff without 'the man' telling you you cannot.

I keep on saying that because it was continually brought up. Argh, remember that if your freedom tramples on someone else's, your freedom doesn't mean much anymore. Just like if you have freedom of speech, but you cannot yell "FIRE" or "HIJACK" on airplaines.

In this case, if a person takes their freedom so seriously that they come to school naked, there's a problem here.

i'm not saying to wear what you want with disregard to your parents. i'm saying to wear what you want in disregard to the school board.

The school board takes suggestions from parents. The PTA has a lot of say in the School Board.

[sadolakced acid]

our PTSA is quite weak.

we don't get to say anything. they took off the doors to our bathroom stalls so you can't take a crap without everyone seeing you.

cell phones are banned during tests. i was referring to the complete ban on cell phones. meaning, you can't have them.

the problem is that the parents don't go to school. they don't see the school. they have the power to do something, but they don't know what to do, because they aren't the students.

there are teachers who treat childern like crap because they can't do anything about it.

parents aren't reciving the service. they are just paying for it. not reciving it.

this is why school lunches are ususally bad- parents don't eat them so they don't know how bad it is.
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since when did wearing your own clothes trod on someone's freedom?

our school board passes policies that the whole school, teachers and students, know are bad, but they still pass it because they don't really know how the school works.

[Spirited Away]

we don't get to say anything.  they took off the doors to our bathroom stalls so you can't take a crap without everyone seeing you.

It's a choice to have weak or strong influence.

Ew, who'd want to do that? I don't want that, I only want uniforms.

cell phones are banned during tests.  i was referring to the complete ban on cell phones.  meaning, you can't have them. 

Why would kids need cell phones? Kids didn't have a need for cells years before. It's only a fad. Go to college and sit in a class where everyone's cell phones are ringing every 5 minutes, then you'd understand my dislike of cell phones in the classroom.

the problem is that the parents don't go to school.  they don't see the school.  they have the power to do something, but they don't know what to do, because they aren't the students. 

They were students before they were parents. Most parents know what's best for their children.

there are teachers who treat childern like crap because they can't do anything about it.  

They can tell their parents. If some teacher treats me like crap when I DON'T DESERVE it, then my parents wouldn't let that happen to me. Their English may be bad, but they did what it takes for me to have a good education.

parents aren't reciving the service.  they are just paying for it.  not reciving it. 

They are receiving service. They pay so that their children can learn and that is the service.

this is why school lunches are ususally bad-  parents don't eat them so they don't know how bad it is. 

May be it depends on the school. I had cafeteria lunch most of my life because I can't afford to bring lunch everyday. My cateria food was fine.

since when did wearing your own clothes trod on someone's freedom? 

If you wear something offensive, like "Fudge you" or "Two Wongs dont' make a White" shirts... that's trampling on another's freedom to feel comfortable in an educational environment.

If you think of schools as a business, then you must know that most businesses have a choice in who they serve. Certain restaurants demands that you must have shoes... etc.

our school board passes policies that the whole school, teachers and students, know are bad, but they still pass it because they don't really know how the school works.

This is where the student voice must come in. I'm sure you have class Presidents, whatnot. Bring this issue up to them, and also let your parents and PTA know. If your demands are reasonable, there's no reason why you will be turned away.

[princess2113]

Why would kids need cell phones? Kids didn't have a need for cells years before. It's only a fad. Go to college and sit in a class where everyone's cell phones are ringing every 5 minutes, then you'd understand my dislike of cell phones in the classroom.

im a kid n i need a cell fone!

They were students before they were parents. Most parents know what's best for their children.

u sound like my mom...but thats not alwayz true b/c they side with the teacher a lot, just like the school

i think we shuldnt have them...i used to think yes, but i think there shuld just be a dress code...not b/c "its freedom" but b/c u do better at school when ur comfortable n im a lot more comfortable in my clothes then in some plaid dress n knee socks...i wuld feel so stupid looking like that n i wuldnt focus on my studies as well...i do think that having a dress code is important...however only to a point...my teacher made 7 guys leave class b/c they were all wearing white shirts n she said that it shows they hang out after school so they mite be in a gang (who doesnt hang out with school friends after school?!) esp. since they were all wearing white shirts...teachers kick guys out for wearing pink...n sometimes girls b/c its "gang related" b/c every wears it...if every1 is wearing a uniform doesnt that seem "gang related" then b/c they r all wearing it?

[Spirited Away]

im a kid n i need a cell fone!

Why?

u sound like my mom...but thats not alwayz true b/c they side with the teacher a lot, just like the school

I did use the word "most" because I'm quite aware that not all parents are oh-so responsible. I sound like your mother because I'm trying for the "adult" voice here, I'm glad I had the right effect.

i wuld feel so stupid looking like that n i wuldnt focus on my studies as well...

And I suppose having someone where shorts that reveals half of their butts will make guys focus on their studies. Why would you feel stupid? No one is judging you because of what you wear.

i do think that having a dress code is important...however only to a point...my teacher made 7 guys leave class b/c they were all wearing white shirts n she said that it shows they hang out after school so they mite be in a gang (who doesnt hang out with school friends after school?!) esp. since they were all wearing white shirts...teachers kick guys out for wearing pink...n sometimes girls b/c its "gang related" b/c every wears it...if every1 is wearing a uniform doesnt that seem "gang related" then b/c they r all wearing it?

Hmm, your teacher needs more common sense. I wouldn't have kicked the kids out without having checked with a counselor or principle for their opinions.

[sadolakced acid]

if you've ever spent two hours sitting on a school bench locked out of school waiting for your parents to remeber to pick you up, you will know why kids need cell phones.

if you've ever had to make up a test and needed to schedual a ride, you will know why kids need a cell phone.

if you've ever driven to school and gotten in a car accident, you will know why kids need a cell phone.



so whens the last time you've steped into a high school and went to class? schools change, times change. change is life. you cannot use your 1900s classroom experiences to equate to kids these days.

and if parents know what's best for their kids, why are there so many teen suicides? the parents know what's best for the kids. they should have known. right?

if parents always know what's best for their kids, then nothing changes. change is life.


i don't like adults thinking that what teenages do is always some 'immature phase' or their just rebeling. it's not always that.

try for your adult voice. it is the voice of someone from the past.

appearances aren't everything.

[jarnifer]

appearance isn't everything...i TOTALLY agree....

that is why having uniforms is better because it eliminates ONE (not all...) aspects that people can judge us from based on our appearances...

really, if everyone wears uniforms then it wouldn't be a big deal anymore...no need to worry about seeing ppl walking around half naked all the time...

[Spirited Away]

if you've ever spent two hours sitting on a school bench locked out of school waiting for your parents to remeber to pick you up, you will know why kids need cell phones.

Pshhh, PUHLEEAZZE. Poor girl like me sat on school benches until 6 o'clock in the evening when school was out at 3PM every other day from Junior High THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL. So don't tell me what I need. They don't need it, they want it because it's a convenience. WANTS and NEEDS are two different things entirely.

if you've ever had to make up a test and needed to schedual a ride, you will know why kids need a cell phone. 

if you've ever driven to school and gotten in a car accident, you will know why kids need a cell phone. 

These are petty excuses. I had my fair share of make up tests, club meetings, club outings, and field trips to know what kids "need". They need responsibility and a good head to know how to deal with these things. How do you suppose kids get along before the age of cell phones? They sat at home a did nothing?

so whens the last time you've steped into a high school and went to class?  schools change, times change.  change is life.  you cannot use your 1900s classroom experiences to equate to kids these days. 

Naught but two years ago. I graduated a tad early, thank you very much, but I know what schools are like. I'm not ANCIENT, mind you. Class of '02 wasn't that far in the past. I gave examples in the 1990s because I'm knowledgeable in that time era. Please do not assume I'm so old that I forgot what happened only two-three years past.

If you must know, I'm offended that you think I'm that old.

and if parents know what's best for their kids, why are there so many teen suicides?  the parents know what's best for the kids.  they should have known.  right?

Tell me, do your parents control every aspect of your life? Do your parents dote on your with every moment of their free time? No, I should hope not. Your parents must work their asses off for you to have a decent living and they cannot give you the attention that you might think you need. However, they were students themselves and they would know what's good for you as a STUDENT. Parents tell their children: "Do your homework before you play", "Have you done your homework", "Do you need tutoring", "How's school". It's up to the child to be truthful and honest in updating their parents. If the parent doesn't know what's going on, how can they HELP?

DON'T you DARE blame teen suicides on parents. If a person is selfish enough (depending on the circumstances) to kill him/herself, then he/she doesn't deserve any pity from anyone.

if parents always know what's best for their kids, then nothing changes.  change is life.

Note that I never used the word "always", it is you who used it. I rarely use the word because I don't like to be certain on anything. Parents who cares want the best for their children and they assume they know because they've "been there, done that". Tell me, what should parents know about uniforms? Why should in a parent's eyes, uniforms be a bad idea?

I wonder what kind of parent you'll be.

i don't like adults thinking that what teenages do is always some 'immature phase'  or their just rebeling. it's not always that.  

It's not. Adults are normally only THAT condescending if the teenager ACT like it. My parents treat me how I act. If I'm in a childish mood, they'll treat me like a child still, no matter my age. And I learn to do the same. If someone wants to be a child, why treat them any differently?

try for your adult voice.  it is the voice of someone from the past. 

I don't think 19 is THAT old. I'm still in my teens. Mayhaps I'm mature for my age, but at least I know I make sense.

appearances aren't everything.

But they set the first impression; they form lust; they give you feelings about people.

[Rock_Lee]

Personally, I don't really care whether we have uniforms or not.

[babygurl_xtacy]

I want uniforms.. so i dont have to worry about what to wear every morning..

[sadolakced acid]

19, eh? so not that old and already sounding like a 40 year old.

your 'voice of reason' is not the voice of a 19 year old.

i apologize. jumping to conclusions, yes i am. naughty boy...

[Spirited Away]

19, eh? so not that old and already sounding like a 40 year old.

your 'voice of reason' is not the voice of a 19 year old.

i apologize. jumping to conclusions, yes i am. naughty boy...

Hah! Princess, another cB member already pointed it out. I suppose having a mind of a 40 year old does have it advantages when arguing with kiddies.

Naughty indeed.

[EmeraldKnight]

Dang uninspiredfae..

You're certainly on top of things today..

Is it just me or am I hear the exact same things repeated over and over and over and over and yeah, you get my point..

[Spirited Away]

Dang uninspiredfae..

You're certainly on top of things today..

These kids think I'm feeble minded and out of date even though I graduated not too long ago. Shoot, they better get some respect for their elders.... ahem... just kidding.

Is it just me or am I hear the exact same things repeated over and over and over and over and yeah, you get my point..

Sure they are, but some punk kid decided to make fun of my age, too. That's something new.

[joanna0304]

I want uniforms.. so i dont have to worry about what to wear every morning..

yeah me 2 but then i will get bored of wearing me uniform everyday

[abstracted]

yeah me 2 but then i will get bored of wearing me uniform everyday

We're all so used to seeing people in different clothes, wearing different things, etc. that it will be odd at first. But really; it gets rid of so many problems that it's worth it. This isn't like you're going to be wearing uniforms for the rest of your life; you'll have all the time in the world outside of school to use the freedom of wearing whatever you want.
My humanities teacher, who is probably one of the high school teacher, let us have a small debate about dress codes vs. whatever we want. Dress codes is just one step towards uniforms. He made a good point: you're going to have to wear what's acceptable by society. At work, you can't wear whatever you want, even if it's the proper length and doesn't offend anyone directly using words. Teachers have to wear nice stuff, not jeans (in some schools anyway). Dress codes at school are one way to get used to it. Uniforms are a better way.
Listen to Jarnifer; I totally agree with everything you said.

These kids think I'm feeble minded and out of date even though I graduated not too long ago. Shoot, they better get some respect for their elders.... ahem... just kidding.

Hehe, I know quite a few people who, online, seem to be twice or thrice their age. Some people didn't know that I'm a high school student. My friend, who's my age, is thought to be an adult in a lot of places. Of course, she doesn't mind. It's an advantage.

19, eh? so not that old and already sounding like a 40 year old

.

Eh, what's wrong with that? Does sounding like a 40-year-old just mean writing out words in full and using the experience of an adult rather than a teenager?

[sheepy]

no way, i dunt wanna look lik everyone else in my class

[EmeraldKnight]

no way, i dunt wanna look lik everyone else in my class 

You wont.. not unless you're cloned

[sadolakced acid]

gets rid of what problems, exactly?

i think it's just the easy way to solve those problems, and the wrong way.

[EmeraldKnight]

i think it's just the easy way to solve those problems, and the wrong way.

And what would the right way be?

[Spirited Away]

gets rid of what problems, exactly? 

i think it's just the easy way to solve those problems, and the wrong way.

What do you mean what problems? We've been talking about problems and conveniences throughout our... discussion.

i think it's just the easy way to solve those problems, and the wrong way.

What EmeraldKnight said... what is the right way?