God is the worst murderer yet you love him. Options

[Anubis_Birth]

Agreed, God could kill you!
I don't know, but don't you think that you're taking that out of context. If you believed in God you would see him as the creator of all things, love itself, the beginning and the end, the wisest thing ever to exist.

God would not come down and tell you to kill a baby without reason. There is a situation in the Bible that is similar. God told Abraham to sacrifice his favored son Issac to Him to test Abraham's faith. God knew Abraham was faithful. The test was more for Abraham's benefit, but in the end God sent an angel to Abraham to stop him from sacrificing his son.

You should learn more about our religion before you rant and rave about how our God is the original Hitler.

Just answer yes or no. What you annoying christians do is avoid questions like these by change direction of the question. Remember your god if he wanted to can make killing babies a good thing, rape ok, stealing great, etc (As you people believe god makes the rules and can change them). If your god doesn't have the ability to change what's good or evil than your god ISN'T a god because real gods can do all.

[chibichi15]

^...ok. well, all those things are evil. and by definition: God is everything this world is not. He cannot make evil things good because it goes against who He is. And, I believe God is real. He created man and gave us a choice. He gives us a chance to come to a realization of what is right and wrong. and if we dont come to that realization and attain salvation by believeing that His Son died on a cross for the sins of this world, then He will judge us when we die and say, "Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity, I never knew you." He apparently did not allow evil to go unpunished in the Old Testament, as you listed. He originally created this world and saw it was GOOD (Genesis 1:25). He created man in His own image, however, He also gave man a choice. Adam and Eve were tempted by Statn innthe Garden of Eden and chose to disobey God and eat the forbidden fruit. Because of this, God had to punish them for their sin. This is why there is sin in the world today. You don't think God delights in all the bad things going on, do you?

God has the capability to do anything. He made you and me, created this world in 6 days, and we're still alive. But, God isn't just a punisher. He also shows His grace everyday. We woke up today. We're alive. That's God's grace right there. Although someone may not have woken up today, that doesn't mean God said, "Oh, I think I want so-and-so to die today." God works all things according to His purpose. I don't know what that purpose is because my finite mind cannot grasp the infinite mind of God.

So, basically I'm just saying that God did all that because they all sinned against Him. But, they had a chance to do what is right and everyone of them had an understanding of the truth that sinning against God is wrong.

[Anubis_Birth]

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[Jinny]

it isn't god that's bad. its the people. and that's how god punishes them, they deserve it.
also, he wouldve done it for a reason. i meann.. he wouldnt just kill somebody because he felt like it, it would make no sense. and uh, no, god is NOT a "murderer".

god didn't only did bad thinks. think on the positive side

[chibichi15]

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No point in debating anything if most of this site is full of religious people.

sorry if i was just stating my opnion on the debate.

[*Intercourse.*]

^Don't be sorry at all Sharon, if this was moved to debate then you had every right to voice your opinion.

Mods close this topic.

No point in debating anything if most of this site is full of religious people.

I'm sorry but I don't get why you would want your topic to be closed? I mean you made it and you wanted others opinions in why others worship God if he killed so many people. So if you really wanted that to be answered wouldn't you need opinions out of others that actually believe in God...?

I think you need to read the rules of the debate forum as well like Rebecca suggested already, you may act one way but immature attitude against others opinions isn't going to be tolerated all the time:
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12116

[*mishyerr*]

GOD HATES SINNERRRRRSSSSSSS

jk.

hahahahaha, God lets plenty of people die. What about all those Jews who died for him during the Holocaust? What about all those kids who have been held up to gunpoint for him? He lets them die. B/c HE is MIGHTY and in CONTROL.

I believe in God, but not exactly the Christian/Catholic one. That God must be some sort of freak, especially if his followers are all so messed up and hypocritical.

[cori-catastrophe]

So your parents can kill you if you don't obey them is what you just said. I mean after all they did created your pathetic little body. Now please don't post in my topic if you are going to be idiotic.
Another thing you don't understand is this isn't about if god exist or NOT, it's about how people worship this sick freak that killed many JUST FOR NOT KISSING HIS ASS.

Let me ask, If god came down right now and said kill a new born baby would you? YES or NO

BTW sorry mods but I can't respect people who basically worship Hitler.

You honestly have no clue what you're talking about, do you?
God has way more power than your parents. He is the ruler of the worls so explain to me how that comment makes any sence whatsoever.
This is a debate fourm, not a fourm made ot bash other people's beliefs. Please read the debate fourm rules. Also, the comment about kissing his ass, where does it say that he killed all those people because of that reason in the bible. Your first statement was based on passages out of the bible, after all. The person who made that obviously didn't have very much religious knowledge & I don't think you do either. It is obvious that oyu do not have very much knowlede in this subject so please use your common sence when posting, mkay?
Yes, I would kill a newborn baby if he said to. God has a reason for everything to happen & obviously it was the baby's time to go. And you said earlier that he killed all those people because they wouldn't worship him, am I correct? How could a baby worship him when it was just born. You are making no sence in debating that.
Please explain to me how Gos is like Hitler. Hitler was a dictator, God is a ruler. Hitler killed people for no reason, God killed people because they disobeyed him & he was ashamed he ever made them because they sinned. How do those two relate? I'd love to hear what else you have to say about this.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Just because that is how the Bible depicts him, doesnt mean its true.

What's the purpose of this?

the bible is the "word of the lord". The bible is true (well..so I won't fire up those atheists I'll say this one line)..for Christians. However as others have said God is ruler. People who choose to live under a government and rebel against it will take consequences. He wasn't a dictator yet they were being a bitch about the world. Complaining about the lives he took doesn't matter to me. They were not my mistakes.

[*mishyerr*]

You honestly have no clue what you're talking about, do you?
God has way more power than your parents. He is the ruler of the worls so explain to me how that comment makes any sence whatsoever.
This is a debate fourm, not a fourm made ot bash other people's beliefs. Please read the debate fourm rules. Also, the comment about kissing his ass, where does it say that he killed all those people because of that reason in the bible. Your first statement was based on passages out of the bible, after all. The person who made that obviously didn't have very much religious knowledge & I don't think you do either. It is obvious that oyu do not have very much knowlede in this subject so please use your common sence when posting, mkay?
Yes, I would kill a newborn baby if he said to. God has a reason for everything to happen & obviously it was the baby's time to go. And you said earlier that he killed all those people because they wouldn't worship him, am I correct? How could a baby worship him when it was just born. You are making no sence in debating that.
Please explain to me how Gos is like Hitler. Hitler was a dictator, God is a ruler. Hitler killed people for no reason, God killed people because they disobeyed him & he was ashamed he ever made them because they sinned. How do those two relate? I'd love to hear what else you have to say about this.

Not to butt into your argument or anything, but if God is in control of everything as you say, then God was in control of Hitler. Why would he let something like the Holocaust happen? Did those 6 million Jews and 1.5 million kids deserve to die? Were they more full of sin than the rest of people around the world? Did they need to be "cleansed off" just like Hitler said they needed to be?

Oh wait, like you said, it was "their time to go." Said like a true Hitler worshipper. (p.s. that was an exaggeration, please don't take that to heart and try to convince me you hate what Hitler did)

[cori-catastrophe]

Not to butt into your argument or anything, but if God is in control of everything as you say, then God was in control of Hitler. Why would he let something like the Holocaust happen? Did those 6 million Jews and 1.5 million kids deserve to die? Were they more full of sin than the rest of people around the world? Did they need to be "cleansed off" just like Hitler said they needed to be?

Oh wait, like you said, it was "their time to go." Said like a true Hitler worshipper. (p.s. that was an exaggeration, please don't take that to heart and try to convince me you hate what Hitler did)

I wasn't argueing so you're not butting into anything dear. God is in control of everything
& everyone but he lets people have freedom. That is the reson there is sin in the world. I mean, he could force everyone to be robots & do everything he says. But he's lets people have choices. He trusts them to make the right decisions & a vast majority of the time they do not, such as the Hitler case. Those people died because of Hitler's decision, not God's. I honestly can't believe that you are comparing Hitler to God.

As for the Hitler worshipper comment, I think that you are making very ignorant statements having to do with him. I do not worship Hitler, I worship God like any sane person would. When did Hitler ever say it was their time to go? He killed all of those people because he was a man with a sick mind. He had no problem killing those people because he was insane. HE killed them, NOT God. If I wanted to, I could get into this large debate with you over the last comment you made since I am very pissed about it, but I see no reason to debate with people who compare Hitler to God. It would just be a waste of my time because you obviosuly don't have very much knowledge on the bible to make those kind of ignorent statements.

[Bunnybandit]

gods a lover mofos....


my 2 cents ;]

[*kryogenix*]

Not to butt into your argument or anything, but if God is in control of everything as you say, then God was in control of Hitler. Why would he let something like the Holocaust happen? Did those 6 million Jews and 1.5 million kids deserve to die? Were they more full of sin than the rest of people around the world? Did they need to be "cleansed off" just like Hitler said they needed to be?

Oh wait, like you said, it was "their time to go." Said like a true Hitler worshipper. (p.s. that was an exaggeration, please don't take that to heart and try to convince me you hate what Hitler did)

People have free will. It was Hitler's exercise in free will to do the holocaust, not God's.

[Stefanny]

I'm sure that God has his reasons for doing all of this. Recognize that in all of these actions, people have done many many sins, further resulting into his so called "crimes." All of his actions lead to peace, and we all know that peace doesn't last forever. Thus, God continues to make peace over and over, keeping our world sane and from leading ourselves to total war and destruction.

Remember that at the time noted in the bible, the world wasn't a very well goverened place, and it was ruled by Kings and etc. Over the centuries, people have improved on their government and made peace within their own countries. I know what you're thinking, Iraq/Iran/etc. But keep in mind that they're currently receiving help from America, and I believe that God knows it'll lead to further peace. If not, then he'd probably fix it soon enough...

Oh, by the way, God is not an insane psychopath. He created you. He created the world. Pray to him because he lets you live and has blessed you with a comfortable life.

[Kontroll]

So your parents can kill you if you don't obey them is what you just said. I mean after all they did created your pathetic little body. Now please don't post in my topic if you are going to be idiotic.
Another thing you don't understand is this isn't about if god exist or NOT, it's about how people worship this sick freak that killed many JUST FOR NOT KISSING HIS ASS.

Let me ask, If god came down right now and said kill a new born baby would you? YES or NO

BTW sorry mods but I can't respect people who basically worship Hitler.

First of all. You call me pathetic...But yet, you're posts are no better. You just bash me for what I believe. That's call persecution.

Now, if you want to dig deep into the theological word...Jesus is God, is He not? If that is what you believe.. Anyway, considering he did all of these so called "murders" He got his punishment. He died on the cross. Justice. There...are you happy?

I don't think that you understand the realm of theology and how it affects cultures. Christianity, has had it's troubles, but let's take a look at Islam...

Islam...literal translation means Submission. The quaran speaks about killing infidels that don't believe in their religion. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the president of Iran came onto American soil and basically told us that he is going to kill us because of what he believes. He believes that if he kills enough people including the Jews that the saviour[don't know exactly how to spell it, or if it is a saviour. I know it's some deity] will return and make the whole world submit to Islam.

You say that the Christian God is bad? First of all, when He kills people or things, it's justified. Not just because He's GOD! but because they obviously did something wrong. Things aren't like that now.

And no, I don't feel my parents have the right to kill me because times have changed. My parents aren't my god. God is my god.

Parents aren't absolute, God is. It's bad logic you're using there. Clean it up. I know I'm not the best at what I say, but I make it as easy as I can to understand.

And don't bash. It just makes you look like you have nothing good to say, and for that fact can't think of anything to say.

Not to butt into your argument or anything, but if God is in control of everything as you say, then God was in control of Hitler. Why would he let something like the Holocaust happen? Did those 6 million Jews and 1.5 million kids deserve to die? Were they more full of sin than the rest of people around the world? Did they need to be "cleansed off" just like Hitler said they needed to be?

Oh wait, like you said, it was "their time to go." Said like a true Hitler worshipper. (p.s. that was an exaggeration, please don't take that to heart and try to convince me you hate what Hitler did)

Things don't always seem as they appear. Did you ever think that they were being punished? Did you not know that Israel became a nation in like 1948 or something like that? THings have their reasons. We might not be able to see them at first. but htey do.

[flaymzofice]

Okay, so, several things -

Firstly, I'm not religious and I see how you pointedly ignored my contribution to this debate, questioning the position which you are taking yourself. Let me repeat myself for clarity
- if you believe those acts to have been committed, you must believe in some form of God, else how else would they have occurred? If this is so, you're just contradicting your religious belief with your own agnosticism.
- if you DON'T believe in God, surely you're the 'insane psychopath' for believing those acts were committed?

Secondly, not bashing on anyone but someone said God killed those people because they were 'horrible people'. Let's be clear; God, doesn't kill anyone. And also, being a 'horrible person' doesn't justify death.

Thirdly, God isn't defined by his ability to change all. A 'real' god isn't one who can change all the rules and get rid of all the evil that men do. Again, I'm not of any religion but I think, as a general belief, God does no more than oversee our existence; being there for those who ask for him to be, in their time of need. He doesn't intervene but his followers are free to interpret any actions as a sign of His intervention.

And really, faith is about the most abstract thing; how can anyone possibly justify their beliefs to anyone else to such an extent as to convince them of an alternative position? Nobody should have to do that; it's the beauty of free will.

[Dizzi]

God created us, so why wouldnt he have the say in everything?

[sweetangel2128]

God created us, so why wouldnt he have the say in everything?

There is no actual proof that he did. Just faith!.

[Dizzi]

There is no actual proof that he did. Just faith!.

yes true...but theres no actual proof that he didnt either. just theories. :)

[cori-catastrophe]

There is no actual proof that he did. Just faith!.

That's the entire point of Christianity, is it not?
Being faithful to your God & trusting him with everything.

[NoSex]

That's the entire point of Christianity, is it not?
Being faithful to your God & trusting him with everything.

Well, that's pretty idiotic. Ain't it?

[Kontroll]

Well, that's pretty idiotic. Ain't it?

YES! Acid Bath...I love you. Haha. But, to quote you...it isn't idiotic to believe in something like God created us. It betters a person. If there was no God, I'd still listen to what the Bible says because it does have a good moral standpoint. Right?

Secondly, flaymzofice.. God doesn't change. Things have changed from what He made them to be. The world was perfect, but now due to sin it's corrupt. He does change things, but you're right...He's not defined by changing all. And he does more than oversee. He uses people for His plan. I know most of you don't believe that, but most of you don't believe in it at all. That's why I think this debate is wholey directed towards Christians. I have to say that you do need to read more about God and His role and relationship with us. That's the point of Christianity. To have a relationship with God. Up until the time of Martin Luther, God was seen as wrathful for the most part and it's changed because people read the Bible and saw it for themselves.

I don't know. I'm not good at debating on something that is impossible to know. Am I right, Acid Bath?

[flaymzofice]

Hmm, well I don't think it's necessary to submit to the Christian faith in order to participate in this debate. One of my devout Christian friends says I'm basically Christian in my beliefs, but because I'm a cynic and a follower of free will, that obviously renders it impossible for me to be a 'true' Christian (and also explains why I am not a believer of God's Plan).

And I also think the exact opposite (that this debate is directed wholly at Christians); Anubis_Birth seems to find it impossible to believe why anyone would follow God and it would seem to me as a result that it would require precisely a non-follower (per se) to explain the apparently inexplicable actions of those who believe in the 'insane psychopath'. However, I contradict myself because as I have said, nobody should have to explain their beliefs to anybody.

[*mishyerr*]

And don't bash. It just makes you look like you have nothing good to say, and for that fact can't think of anything to say.
Things don't always seem as they appear. Did you ever think that they were being punished? Did you not know that Israel became a nation in like 1948 or something like that? THings have their reasons. We might not be able to see them at first. but htey do.

Actually, by "Were they more full of sin than the rest of people around the world?" I was implying that God was punishing them for their "sins."

I understand that some things have their reasons, but I don't believe that there is a God controlling everything and doing "stuff" for "reasons." It's kind of sad that Israel became a nation after an attempted genocide of the Jewish race.

I don't even believe that God is a murderer; I believe in a God that lets things happen the way it happens. Life happens how we choose it to. When events occur, there is no turning back or reworking it. (I don't believe in a Christian /Catholic / religious God).

Oh, and I completely agree that bashing you for "worshiping some freak" is unnecessary and immature.

[*Uronacid*]

Mods close this topic.

No point in debating anything if most of this site is full of religious people.

Omg, you're are queer I hate you, but God... he loves you. Although, he may kill you because he loves all of us... Religion is a very complicated subject, and if you don't know your stuff you're gonna get burned.