God is the worst murderer yet you love him. Options

[RCKstarh]

um i could have sworn he brought everyone in this world and by taking the evil out doesnt that benefit the innocent?

[*Uronacid*]

um i could have sworn he brought everyone in this world and by taking the evil out doesnt that benefit the innocent?

I think I have misunderstood you, but what the HELL!!!!! LOL

You have to understand that by taking the evil out of the world it would turn us into robots. No-one would be able to make choices, because they would always be right. Every choice would be the right choice because you wouldn't be able to do anything wrong.

Being able to love someone would be impossible. Every choice you would make wouldn't mean anything to anyone because everyone and everything would be right and perfect anyways.

By allowing people to make choices God gave us one of the greatest gifts of all, the ability to love, and when Jesus died on the cross for those who love him it was an even greater gift because it allowed room for error without eternal damnation. He would pay for the sins that we cannot help but commit because we are imperfect.

[oXMuhNirvanaXo]

In my mind I think that God dose not wan't us to live.
He want's to come back home to him. So by dieing you will be set free again to walk side by side next to him. :-)

[*Uronacid*]

In my mind I think that God dose not wan't us to live.
He want's to come back home to him. So by dieing you will be set free again to walk side by side next to him. :-)

Well, I don't know... no everyone is going to walk beside him... I guess I'm sure he's happy when people get up there. I think that God wants us to prove ourselves... I don't know for sure, but the more you talk about it the more you learn so... ;]

[*Podomaht*]

You guys are both douches. Get back to debating.

[sweetangel2128]

I think I have misunderstood you, but what the HELL!!!!! LOL

You have to understand that by taking the evil out of the world it would turn us into robots. No-one would be able to make choices, because they would always be right. Every choice would be the right choice because you wouldn't be able to do anything wrong.

Being able to love someone would be impossible. Every choice you would make wouldn't mean anything to anyone because everyone and everything would be right and perfect anyways.

By allowing people to make choices God gave us one of the greatest gifts of all, the ability to love, and when Jesus died on the cross for those who love him it was an even greater gift because it allowed room for error without eternal damnation. He would pay for the sins that we cannot help but commit because we are imperfect.

VERY true, I agree with you 100% on that =]

[mmhmichelle]

We shouldn't just die..

[NoSex]

Well, I don't know... no everyone is going to walk beside him... I guess I'm sure he's happy when people get up there. I think that God wants us to prove ourselves... I don't know for sure, but the more you talk about it the more you learn so... ;]

How can you prove yourself to an omniscient being?
If he knows everything, why do we have to spend time in the waiting room before he diagnoses us as "good" or "evil": Heaven or Hell.

[sweetangel2128]

How can you prove yourself to an omniscient being?
If he knows everything, why do we have to spend time in the waiting room before he diagnoses us as "good" or "evil": Heaven or Hell.

Good question. God is suppose to be "all knowing". I really do not know how to answer this but I guess it isn't really proving ourself but I do believe we are going to have a meeting with God on judgement day to determine where were heading. I believe he's going to ask us questions. I don't really see that as proving yourself though. Since he already knows if were going to fail or not except we do not know if were failing which is the reason for the meeting. That's what I believe =] I also believe judgement day will also be our last day to except him before we do go wherever, most Christians don't believe in that but I do.

[NoSex]

I believe he's going to ask us questions.

Alex Trebek ≠ God

That's what I believe =]

And, why exactly do you believe that?
Especially given the apparent contradiction in a questioning omniscience.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Then he's obviously not a murderer. Someone can't be something if they don't exist. That comes with the territory of "being". Though, I'm pretty sure a pretense to the original argument would be assuming he exists, even if you don't believe he does, for the sake of the argument.

[sweetangel2128]

Alex Trebek ≠ God
And, why exactly do you believe that?
Especially given the apparent contradiction in a questioning omniscience.

Because I believe all things are possible and I never said I believed in the God that Christians perseve him to be. Yes, of course theres contradictions such as the Bible for instance but I believe those were handwritten by "people" not of God, I do not believe God himself is contradicting and I don't think your going to know God by reading the Bible because of the contradictions. I believe the only way of actually knowing God is meetting him face to face. Don't get me wrong, I do not follow a religion at all..I choose not to be labeled but I do believe in a God and I do read the Bible because I do believe it to be quite accurate in a lot of areas such as: don't steal, don't lie ect...in my opinion those are things that I was brought up not to do so the Bible does have good points. I also read it for the history, I love history and I read it because if it is true then well I learned something of "my" God.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Obviously some of the things said in the Bible are good guidelines to life, but that's all they are. I don't think anyone would say that every word in the Bible should be disregarded. Either way, the things you mentioned can't be accurate or inaccurate, so the fact that there are contradictions, lies, and fallacies in the Bible still stands. When it was made, it was a good way to create order in a place in which there was disorganization, but it's not exactly needed anymore. And, when have you met God? Did you go to a party?

[sweetangel2128]

Obviously some of the things said in the Bible are good guidelines to life, but that's all they are. I don't think anyone would say that every word in the Bible should be disregarded. Either way, the things you mentioned can't be accurate or inaccurate, so the fact that there are contradictions, lies, and fallacies in the Bible still stands. When it was made, it was a good way to create order in a place in which there was disorganization, but it's not exactly needed anymore. And, when have you met God? Did you go to a party?

Your misunderstanding what I'm saying. I never said that I met God and I don't claim I know him and I never said the things I said were accurate or inaccurate so your right. Like I said it's based on Faith.

There is contradictions in the Bible because I have read them myself and looked them up.

If this wasn't towards me, please accuse me, cause I felt it was so sorry =]

[*disco infiltrator*]

Well, when you said, "the only way of knowing God is meeting him face to face", one would assume that this is how you came to know God. And you did say that they were accurate...that's the exact word you used..."I do read the Bible because I do believe it to be quite accurate in a lot of areas such as: don't steal, don't lie ect..", yes? Guidelines cannot have accuracy as a characteristic; it's advice.

[sweetangel2128]

Well, when you said, "the only way of knowing God is meeting him face to face", one would assume that this is how you came to know God. And you did say that they were accurate...that's the exact word you used..."I do read the Bible because I do believe it to be quite accurate in a lot of areas such as: don't steal, don't lie ect..", yes? Guidelines cannot have accuracy as a characteristic; it's advice.

Well, true, the only way of knowing God is meeting him face to face since we are not totally sure the Bible is in fact "facts". No because I did not claim I knew him. I was brought up to believe A god exists and I do believe that but only by Faith and assumption.

I said those were accurate because I was brought up to not do those things. And it is accurate on the fact that we shouldn't do those things.

[*disco infiltrator*]

1. You're not understanding my point. Opinions and advice cannot have the quality of being either accurate or inaccurate. They're just suggestions. They may be good or bad suggestions, but not correct or wrong.
2. Putting the word "quite" in front of a word does not make it mean "not fully", it means "pretty much" or "very". Saying "quite accurate" would mean "terribly accurate" or "so accurate that it has been proven many times and it would be blasphemous for anyone to not agree". Either way, something cannot be more or less accurate. It either is or it isn't.

[sweetangel2128]

1. You're not understanding my point. Opinions and advice cannot have the quality of being either accurate or inaccurate. They're just suggestions. They may be good or bad suggestions, but not correct or wrong.
2. Putting the word "quite" in front of a word does not make it mean "not fully", it means "pretty much" or "very". Saying "quite accurate" would mean "terribly accurate" or "so accurate that it has been proven many times and it would be blasphemous for anyone to not agree". Either way, something cannot be more or less accurate. It either is or it isn't.

Well sorry for wording it wrong, I still think it's right though because these things we are normally taught has young kids not to do because in the end it will turn out bad. Your saying it doesn't tell it's right or wrong based on "accuracy"...but thing is the outcome does show you it is wrong. It is merely my opinion I believe it is accurate in those areas because we have already been taught not to do those things.

[mmhmichelle]

Well, true, the only way of knowing God is meeting him face to face since we are not totally sure the Bible is in fact "facts". No because I did not claim I knew him. I was brought up to believe A god exists and I do believe that but only by Faith and assumption.

I said those were accurate because I was brought up to not do those things. And it is accurate on the fact that we shouldn't do those things.

Well,that's really dumb. It's like a long-distance relationship. You've never met them. But they're a real person,right? Read a biography book. It's not someone who's not right next door to you. You don't have to see to believe, God sends the Holy Spirit down to take His place in the world. I don't know how it's so hard to believe something so real >:P
Next,don't assume things to believe. Believing God means confessing your true sins,loving others,love your enemies,and so much more.

[sweetangel2128]

Well,that's really dumb. It's like a long-distance relationship. You've never met them. But they're a real person,right? Read a biography book. It's not someone who's not right next door to you. You don't have to see to believe, God sends the Holy Spirit down to take His place in the world. I don't know how it's so hard to believe something so real >:P
Next,don't assume things to believe. Believing God means confessing your true sins,loving others,love your enemies,and so much more.

I have read a biography book thank you very much and no God isn't like a long distance person because you can actually speak to that person through the phone with God you can't see him, you cant touch him, you can't hear his voice...ect..

My opinion is not dumb and either is yours and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't disrespect me by saying my point is dumb.

I can see a lot of stuff you've said as being dumb but I am not going to throw that in your face.

[*kryogenix*]

Are you sure you can't hear his voice? Are you sure he's not answering your prayers? Are you sure that it's not you who is not listening, rather than God not talking back?

[sweetangel2128]

Are you sure you can't hear his voice? Are you sure he's not answering your prayers? Are you sure that it's not you who is not listening, rather than God not talking back?

I am positive 100% that you CANNOT hear God's voice. I believe that he gives you the feeling of what is right and whats wrong, and gives you certain ideas that pop up in your head...but I do not think anyone can "actually" hear his voice. Oh I'm listening. And I never said he didn't answer my prayers, a lot of the time he doesn't but sometimes my prayers do get answered.

[*kryogenix*]

Just because the answer isn't the one you wanted doesn't mean He didn't answer it.

[sweetangel2128]

Just because the answer isn't the one you wanted doesn't mean He didn't answer it.

I know that

[*Uronacid*]

How can you prove yourself to an omniscient being?
If he knows everything, why do we have to spend time in the waiting room before he diagnoses us as "good" or "evil": Heaven or Hell.

Do you think that God has the ability to choose between knowing somethings and not knowing others? I believe God can choose to know anything he wants to know, but may or may not decide to.