God is the worst murderer yet you love him. Options

[sweetangel2128]

I'm guessing "him" is God. If you're saying that Christians blame their sins on God and make God the guilty person, that is not how Christianity works. We are to accept the consequences of our actions/choices, but we must also repent for sinning against God and learn from those mistakes. God sent his son to die for us SO that we could repent for our sins, and not die because of it. I do think that some Christians take repetance for granted. They say "forgive me this and that. thank you, amen." and have no intention on changing their behavior whatsoever. That is not the way it works, but who am I to say, "You are a bad Christian for doing that!" I am not one to judge. I just don't approve of it.
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That's not what they meant. They meant they need to stop depending upon God for all there problems in life. We are the only ones responsible to help ourselves not God.

[datass]

Not sure who that was pointed towards, but I don't diss other religions if you were referring to me. I am just stating why I don't agree with the Christian religion. And I am not anti-God, I am anti-Religion at this point and time. I do believe there is a possiblity of God, I just don't believe in the Christian God exactly. I actually like learning about different religions, it's rather interesting.
I posted that because that's what I believe in and sorry if I worded it wrong I've been in a lot of pain lately.

That was directed to the topic started.

[ClaudelGFX]

I'm guessing "him" is God. If you're saying that Christians blame their sins on God and make God the guilty person, that is not how Christianity works. We are to accept the consequences of our actions/choices, but we must also repent for sinning against God and learn from those mistakes. God sent his son to die for us SO that we could repent for our sins, and not die because of it. I do think that some Christians take repetance for granted. They say "forgive me this and that. thank you, amen." and have no intention on changing their behavior whatsoever. That is not the way it works, but who am I to say, "You are a bad Christian for doing that!" I am not one to judge. I just don't approve of it.
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God has the power to create a perfect society, but that was not his intention. He could create a society that worships him, free of sin, and are just perfect in every single aspect, but he loved us so much that he gave us free will. He wanted us to come to him, not make us come to him by force. But in turn, free will also leads to "these things [that] are so bad", as you mentioned. We, humans, chose some of these bad things from our free will. So I once heard of this analogy by a fellow small group leader: You love someone. Would you rather have him/her be with you by free will or force him/her to be with you? Forcing him/her may lead into an unhappy relationship, one that is not desired. Free will, on the other hand, gives the person a choice - one that will lead to a healthy, desired relationship.

It was just a figure of speech which didn't point only Christians, it was for everyone. But in a bigger picture, if you take a look nowadays there aren't too many of those whom are going every weekend at the church... most of the nowadays people pray only when they seem to be in danger or they just lost and don't know what to do, shame.

[sweetangel2128]

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It was just a figure of speech which didn't point only Christians, it was for everyone. But in a bigger picture, if you take a look nowadays there aren't too many of those whom are going every weekend at the church... most of the nowadays people pray only when they seem to be in danger or they just lost and don't know what to do, shame.

I disagree. I am sure lots of people do actually pray everyday in fact I pray and I am not even Christian lol...I wouldn't say MOST people do it just when they are in danger. But true there is probably a HUGE percentage that do, do that.

[mmhmichelle]

So your parents can kill you if you don't obey them is what you just said. I mean after all they did created your pathetic little body. Now please don't post in my topic if you are going to be idiotic.
Another thing you don't understand is this isn't about if god exist or NOT, it's about how people worship this sick freak that killed many JUST FOR NOT KISSING HIS ASS.

Let me ask, If god came down right now and said kill a new born baby would you? YES or NO

BTW sorry mods but I can't respect people who basically worship Hitler.

God created us. And don't call our bodies pathetic because you have one also -_-"
Second,He did not "murder" people because they did not worship Him. He did this because they did things that broke the Ten Commandments,otherwise His Word. We worship Him because we can,and we want to. Why do you care about who we worship?
And LAST: God would not say that. Do you think He would "just come down" and tell his children to commit murder? It's NOT a sacrifice. We don't sacrifice things to God or Jesus.
So,your dumb question isn't even worth thinking about.
oh,and i'm sure the mods here don't worship Hitler. Calm down.

[sweetangel2128]

God created us. And don't call our bodies pathetic because you have one also -_-"
Second,He did not "murder" people because they did not worship Him. He did this because they did things that broke the Ten Commandments,otherwise His Word. We worship Him because we can,and we want to. Why do you care about who we worship?
And LAST: God would not say that. Do you think He would "just come down" and tell his children to commit murder? It's NOT a sacrifice. We don't sacrifice things to God or Jesus.
So,your dumb question isn't even worth thinking about.
oh,and i'm sure the mods here don't worship Hitler. Calm down.

First of all, we do not know for sure if we were even created by God. Second of all, it's pretty crazy that God would even kill people just because they choose not to follow him. He is SUPPOSE to be loving here, that doesn't sound very loving to me. But most of your points I do agree on

[NoSex]

God created us. And don't call our bodies pathetic because you have one also -_-"
Second,He did not "murder" people because they did not worship Him. He did this because they did things that broke the Ten Commandments,otherwise His Word. We worship Him because we can,and we want to. Why do you care about who we worship?
And LAST: God would not say that. Do you think He would "just come down" and tell his children to commit murder? It's NOT a sacrifice. We don't sacrifice things to God or Jesus.
So,your dumb question isn't even worth thinking about.
oh,and i'm sure the mods here don't worship Hitler. Calm down.

Apparently you've never read the Bible.

[Kontroll]

I have read some of the Bible. Good book. Nice stories. Don't ya think? Just sit back and pop open a Heineken. Chill out, yo's. It's a book that you obviously don't believe, and probably never even really looked in depth into. I'm not going to lie...I haven't studied the Bible too deeply. I know that it's a set of morals and that if you are a Christian, God gave us the Bible to further our knowledge about our religion, and that we should try to be the salt of the earth. What God did in the past shouldn't upset you. If you live in the past, you're whole life is not going to end up better.

[mmhmichelle]

Apparently you've never read the Bible.

Yeah i have.
I'm still working on it !
i may sound really stupid,due to the fact i'm only twelve.. xD
and if you are talking about the sacrifice part,i meant we don't..not now. we did like,hgdjhdgsfjg years ago.
so excuse me for letting you think i have never read the Bible.
Have you?

First of all, we do not know for sure if we were even created by God.

Lucky you,we were. And i know that for sure. (:

[*Podomaht*]

.fire all you're saying is it's ok that god killed millions because they didn't obey him.

Yes. Let me explain.

If you were my son, and you did something wrong, I'd kick your ass.

Humans are low and unevolved. We think we are so much smarter than animals and whatnot, but we're really not too far from them.

When a human is burned from fire, you automatically learn not to stick your hand in fire. Fear/Pain teaches. So, what could have God done to show humans the power of God? Kill people, yo.

[sweetangel2128]

Lucky you,we were. And i know that for sure. (:

Really? So you've met God? Interesting...

If you were my son, and you did something wrong, I'd kick your ass.

Kicking someone's ass and murdering are two different things

[*Podomaht*]

Really? So you've met God? Interesting...
Kicking someone's ass and murdering are two different things

So is driving a stick shift and driving an automatic transmission. Different method, same concept.

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Stop winking.

[sweetangel2128]

So is driving a stick shift and driving an automatic transmission. Different method, same concept.

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Stop winking.

Your not the boss of me, so no I'm not going to stop winking.

[*Podomaht*]

Your not the boss of me, so no I'm not going to stop winking.

Pansy.

[sweetangel2128]

Pansy.

Umm ok.

Now if you mean this definition - "a violet, Viola tricolor hortensis, cultivated in many varieties, having richly and variously colored flowers." then why thank you!

But if you mean this one - "a male homosexual or a weak, effeminate, and often cowardly man." then umm okay, lets see I'm not homosexual, i am in a VERY loving relationship with A MAN...and well ummm I'm not a man and I have no clue what makes you think I'm cowardly. I am not afraid of you and I stand up for myself...but okay.

[cori-catastrophe]

Umm ok.

Now if you mean this definition - "a violet, Viola tricolor hortensis, cultivated in many varieties, having richly and variously colored flowers." then why thank you!

But if you mean this one - "a male homosexual or a weak, effeminate, and often cowardly man." then umm okay, lets see I'm not homosexual, i am in a VERY loving relationship with A MAN...and well ummm I'm not a man and I have no clue what makes you think I'm cowardly. I am not afraid of you and I stand up for myself...but okay.

This is amusing.
Anyways, this fourm is about GOD, not "A MAN who your are in a loving relationship with" so don't get off-topic please. Thanks.
Also, about you being agnostic, why exactally are you? I'm not judging you or anything of the sort, I am just interested in why you stopped worshiping Christ. Did you read any books, reports, studies, ect. that turned you against him?

Cute. But, wholly fallacious.
Perfect divine foreknowledge and omniscience is mutually exclusive to free will. It's an incompatible property. If you want to argue the point, go to the right thread.

The Theological Problem of Free Will

Not to mention, you avoided the question.
Why would an all-knowing God acquire a test?

I'm not arguing anything. =]
She asked a question & I answered to the best of my ability. The bible is not very specific on things such as this because people were never supposed to turn against him.
But unfortunately, the devil is turing people against him because people have no faith anymore.
And I answered the question if you would have read my post.
The answer is to test your faithfulness toward him. It's to actually make sure you are a true servant to your Father.

[sweetangel2128]

This is amusing.
Anyways, this fourm is about GOD, not "A MAN who your are in a loving relationship with" so don't get off-topic please. Thanks.
Also, about you being agnostic, why exactally are you? I'm not judging you or anything of the sort, I am just interested in why you stopped worshiping Christ. Did you read any books, reports, studies, ect. that turned you against him?

I think you should be saying that to the person who called me a pansy and told me to stop using the winkies...I said all that in defense of myself.

Secondly, I believe there is a possiblity of God existing but we do not know for sure...which is why I chose the Agnostic faith. What made me change back, I was leared into religion by an ex-best friend who betrayed me, she tried to scare me into religion by saying if I wasn't Christian I'd go to Hell. I tried my hardest to learn more about God and be with God but I couldn't force myself to believe all that stuff, believe me I tried to be a Christian but I couldn't change who I was...so chose to follow what I personally believe to be true and that's the path of an Agnostic person. I do not base what I believe in on books or reports as you put it.

[cori-catastrophe]

I think you should be saying that to the person who called me a pansy and told me to stop using the winkies...I said all that in defense of myself.

Secondly, I believe there is a possiblity of God existing but we do not know for sure...which is why I chose the Agnostic faith. What made me change back, I was leared into religion by an ex-best friend who betrayed me, she tried to scare me into religion by saying if I wasn't Christian I'd go to Hell. I tried my hardest to learn more about God and be with God but I couldn't force myself to believe all that stuff, believe me I tried to be a Christian but I couldn't change who I was...so chose to follow what I personally believe to be true and that's the path of an Agnostic person. I do not base what I believe in on books or reports as you put it.

I partcially agree with you, actually. I have my doubts abouts Christ, as do other people. IT is human nature. If you've never seen an object, person, place, ect. how do you know that it is actually there & people aren't filling you full of crap. That is why you have to be faithful in the Christian religion.
And it is a wise choice not to base your relgion on books.

[sweetangel2128]

I partcially agree with you, actually. I have my doubts abouts Christ, as do other people. IT is human nature. If you've never seen an object, person, place, ect. how do you know that it is actually there & people aren't filling you full of crap. That is why you have to be faithful in the Christian religion.
And it is a wise choice not to base your relgion on books.

True, just because it's not there doesn't mean it doesn't exist BUT this question goes the same way just because it's not there doesn't mean it does exist. I choose to live my life my way and see God in the end to know if he is real rather then worry about it and live my life as a robot...I don't mean you are a robot but what I mean is live under rules other than my own. I doubt a LOT of things about Christ and none of the rules or things in the Christian religion I can follow which is why I am not one. I am unsure if he does exist...I can't really believe in something I cannot see, that's just how I am. But I also feel it would be a waste of a good life to live your life for something that might not even exist instead of living for yourself.

Maybe one day I'll become Christian again and decide it is the right path...but right now I don't feel that happening and I feel I am taking a better path...I'm a lot happier.

[NoSex]

But unfortunately, the devil is turing people against him because people have no faith anymore.

Prove it.

And I answered the question if you would have read my post.
The answer is to test your faithfulness toward him. It's to actually make sure you are a true servant to your Father.

An omniscient being performing an experiment or making a test of his children: a ridiculous notion. An omniscient being has no need for tests as he knows all. He knows everyone's faithfulness, he doesn't need to test it.

I'm not arguing anything. =]

Then get the f**k out of the debate threads.

[cori-catastrophe]

Prove it.
An omniscient being performing an experiment or making a test of his children: a ridiculous notion. An omniscient being has no need for tests as he knows all. He knows everyone's faithfulness, he doesn't need to test it.
Then get the f**k out of the debate threads.

I don't need to prove it. =]

As you said before, prove it.

And actually, I have a right to be here. So uhm..how about no. It is a debate fourm to express your option, hence the name. You are using all these complex words trying to sound smarter than everyone else & apprently you don't even know the definition of debate. And I suppose you don't know how to use your mouse or read, considering you are breaking the rules by being rude & not respesting my point of view.

de·bate (dĭ-bāt') Pronunciation Key
v. de·bat·ed, de·bat·ing, de·bates

v. intr.

To consider something; deliberate.
To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.
To engage in a formal discussion or argument. See Synonyms at discuss.
Obsolete To fight or quarrel.

v. tr.

To deliberate on; consider.
To dispute or argue about.
To discuss or argue (a question, for example) formally.
Obsolete To fight or argue for or over.

n.
A discussion involving opposing points; an argument.
Deliberation; consideration: passed the motion with little debate.
A formal contest of argumentation in which two opposing teams defend and attack a given proposition.
Obsolete Conflict; strife.

[sweetangel2128]

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I don't need to prove it. =]

While I agree he/she should respect your opinions and not be rude for what you believe.

I think that the reason you said you don't need to prove it is because you CAN'T prove it. That's just something you can't give proof on.

[NoSex]

I don't need to =]

That's kind of what debate is about.


Debate:
Function:
verb
intransitive verb1obsolete : fight, contend2 a: to contend in words b: to discuss a question by considering opposed arguments3: to participate in a debatetransitive verb1 a: to argue about <the subject was hotly debated> b: to engage (an opponent) in debate2: to turn over in one's mind <he's still debating what to do>
synonyms see discuss
— de·bate·ment Listen to the pronunciation of debatement \-ˈbāt-mənt\ noun
— de·bat·er noun

AS you said before, prove it.

It's perfectly analytical.
A test is used to evaluate data and come to a conclusion based on said data. As god knows everything, as he is omniscient, he could never possibly be presented with new information or data. Because of this fact, God has no use for a test and would not commit to one.

And actually, I have a right to be here. So uhm..how about no. It is a debate fourm to express your option, not argue, hence the name. You are using all these complex words trying to sound smarter than everyone else & apprently you don't even know the definition of debate. Look it up. Wait. Here, i'll do the work for you.

Huh? If you want to simply state your opinion find a support group or something. No one is interested here in just hearing you express your opinion. As this is a debate thread and is geared towards meaningful discussion, deliberation, and argumentation, you are expected to at least try to support your aforementioned opinions. Otherwise, you're wasting our time. Simply stating your opinion does not count as participation. Either participate or don't.

Not to mention, you are being terribly rude & not respecting my point of veiw, which is against the rules.

The hell should I respect your point of view for? Is there anything respectable about it? f**k, you even seem to refuse to support it or elaborate on it. I have no reason to respect your point of view as your point of view is wholly unsubstantiated for all I know. Explain yourself, will ya?

Otherwise, sod off.

[sweetangel2128]

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It's perfectly analytical.
A test is used to evaluate data and come to a conclusion based on said data. As god knows everything, as he is omniscient, he could never possibly be presented with new information or data. Because of this fact, God has no use for a test and would not commit to one.
Huh? If you want to simply state your opinion find a support group or something. No one is interested here in just hearing you express your opinion. As this is a debate thread and is geared towards meaningful discussion, deliberation, and argumentation, you are expected to at least try to support your aforementioned opinions. Otherwise, you're wasting our time. Simply stating your opinion does not count as participation. Either participate or don't.
The hell should I respect your point of view for? Is there anything respectable about it? f**k, you even seem to refuse to support it or elaborate on it. I have no reason to respect your point of view as your point of view is wholly unsubstantiated for all I know. Explain yourself, will ya?

Otherwise, sod off.

I think you SHOULD respect someone's beliefs. That doesn't mean you MUST agree with the what they believe. But using name calling shouldn't be acceptable and from what I've learned about this forum, it isn't.

Secondly, this a debate forum where opinions are allowed. I don't care if you think they are not good opinions or not, they are YOUR opinions and I don't bash you for them but I do disagree with them.

There is a difference between bashing and disagreeing.

[NoSex]

I think you SHOULD respect someone's beliefs. That doesn't mean you MUST agree with the what they believe. But using name calling shouldn't be acceptable and from what I've learned about this forum, it isn't.

Alright, so I believe that particular ethnic groups are inferior to my own. In fact, I believe that there is a superior race which should have the right to enslave all other races.

Do you respect my belief?

Secondly, this a debate forum where opinions are allowed. I don't care if you think they are not good opinions or not, they are YOUR opinions and I don't bash you for them but I do disagree with them.

Alright, I disagree fine. But, there comes a point where a cute little explicative is called for. For example: in the case of perfect and pervasive idiocy. It's my opinion that you're a moron, is that acceptable? Let's get this straight. Mere opinions are not for the debate thread.

You are expected, in posting here, to validate, elaborate, explain, and substantiate your claims and your opinions by means of argumentation. This includes answering questions and recognizing the opposition. This includes actually making an argument. Otherwise, you might as well just be posting in the lounge. We don't care for just your mere expressed opinion, we want to hear exactly why you believe what you do. And, in the context of debate, be able to handle criticism.

There is a difference between bashing and disagreeing.

I disagree. Homo.