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 Aug 4 2006, 12:27 AM
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 Remember.  Group: Member Posts: 81 Joined: Jul 2006 Member No: 445,685  |
The Racism of the West is quite blatant. I do not refer to racial slurs or lynchings. I do not speak of discrimination. These things do matter, but not quite as much as what I am refering to.
Genocide. It has happened, and it happens all the time. It happens to both blacks and whites. With the genocide in Kosovo, 45 deaths were proven and a NATO intervention took place, with Albanians able to immigrate to the United States as refugees. I myself knew one such immigant, who was in my class at school. However, with genocides in Africa, such as Rwanda, there is general apathy? For instance, the Darfur conflict was rarely covered on news. Genecides outside of Europe are generally ignored. This is blatant racism that all of the west partakes in. This is the true racism of the world we should be worried about. Do you know of any genocides that did not take place in Europe? Do you care? |
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| *yrrnotelekktric* |
Aug 4 2006, 12:30 AM
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i certainly do. my school sent postcards (the entire student body) to president bush about Darfur. but i believe it takes more to convince our president when something serious happens other than golfing tournaments
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Aug 4 2006, 12:34 AM
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It is not the president who needs convincing. That is a short term goal. It is the entire country that needs convincing.
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Aug 4 2006, 12:38 AM
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 what do you think it says....if so obvious. Group: Member Posts: 1,838 Joined: Sep 2004 Member No: 52,420 |
your totally right .....america is too shallow .
edit : it also plays down on the media . but what can we do . |
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Aug 4 2006, 12:44 AM
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 I listen to bands that don't even exist yet... Group: Member Posts: 330 Joined: Sep 2005 Member No: 249,189 |
hey guy fawkes, didn't they burn you at the stake?
Genocide means MASS killings. howerever extremely tragicany death is, 45 does not constitute "mass". but yes, genocide is a real issue. Thought I don't think America is racist or apathetic toward genocide victims... Was all of the American anti-Semetic during the beginning of WWII? No. they just never were given the information about the Jews and the other targets of the Nazis. America is so wrapped in it's bubble that it doesn't look around to see how it can help |
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Aug 4 2006, 12:48 AM
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what do you think it says....if so obvious. Group: Member Posts: 1,838 Joined: Sep 2004 Member No: 52,420 |
QUOTE(protos @ Aug 4 2006, 1:44 AM)  hey guy fawkes, didn't they burn you at the stake? and Genocide means MASS killings. howerever tragic, 45 doues not constitute "mass". I don't think America is racist or apathetic toward genocide victims... Was all of the American anti-Semetic during the beginning of WWII? No. they just never were given the information about the Jews and the other targets of the Nazis. again i shall say ...its based on the Media . |
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Aug 4 2006, 12:52 AM
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Remember. Group: Member Posts: 81 Joined: Jul 2006 Member No: 445,685 |
Yet fourty five deaths justified an intervention in Europe, while thousands of deaths in Africa went unnoticed.
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Aug 4 2006, 01:06 AM
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^Because there was no "interested sense of media" in africa.
i have a feeling that .. this lounge thread will turn into a debate. |
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Aug 4 2006, 01:17 AM
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Remember. Group: Member Posts: 81 Joined: Jul 2006 Member No: 445,685 |
If it does turn into a debate, it can be relocated there. However, It seems not yet to have reached that point.
The lack of media attention stems from the inherent apathy of the west. The media reports only on what is interesting. This apathy is a type of racism. |
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Aug 4 2006, 01:27 AM
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QUOTE(guy fawkes @ Aug 3 2006, 11:17 PM) If it does turn into a debate, it can be relocated there. However, It seems not yet to have reached that point. The lack of media attention stems from the inherent apathy of the west. The media reports only on what is interesting. This apathy is a type of racism. What does "racism" means to you ? It's nothing to do with "interesting" situation. racism is a cultural differences. |
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Aug 4 2006, 01:59 AM
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Remember. Group: Member Posts: 81 Joined: Jul 2006 Member No: 445,685 |
The racism, in this case, would be the belief that white cultures are more important than black ones. This is evident in the response to the Kosovo incident versus the response to the Rwanda incident.
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Aug 4 2006, 02:41 AM
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What are your "evident" that you were talking about?
i see no evident. |
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Aug 4 2006, 02:49 AM
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Remember. Group: Member Posts: 81 Joined: Jul 2006 Member No: 445,685 |
In Kosovo, a NATO response was put together within days of the discovery of fourty five bodies that had been killed because of thier race.
In Rwanda, for one hundred days the UN did nothing although thier "peacekeepers" were witnessing the thousands of deaths. |
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| *mipadi* |
Aug 4 2006, 08:14 AM
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I don't think the lack of a response can entirely be chalked up to racism; rather, I think the reason can be found in political interests. Governments rarely do things altruistically; rather, they get involved in world affairs in order to protect their own interests.
The United States doesn't have much of a political interest in most parts of the African region, but they do have a strong interest in western Europe, the Middle East, China, et al. I think it's politics, not racism, that caused intervention in Kosovo. Iraq is another good example. The President can talk all he wants about "spreading freedom"; the reason we went into Iraq was for political and economic gain, or at least stability. It could also be a fear of history. Recall that we did have troops in Somalia in the early 1990s. That intervention resulted in the deaths of 19 American special forces operatives. News media outlets certainly covered the Somalian militants when they dragged the bodies of US servicemen through the streets of Mogadishu, and President Clinton took a beating for that incident by Republican politicians. I don't think racism is as much an issue as "politics as usual". |
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Aug 4 2006, 10:52 AM
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^ Well said.
Taking Michael's example on the intervention in Kosovo and Iraq, you can also compare what happened in Cambodia and in East Timor in the 70s. The media completely blew up Cambodia's Killing Fields while the genocide that went on in East Timor by Indonesia went completely unnoticed because the media decided to ignore it. Moved to Debate |
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| *disco infiltrator* |
Aug 4 2006, 12:44 PM
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I think this is kind of how people were responding to Hurricane Katrina; people said it was racism that prevented help from getting to those in the poor parts of New Orleans faster, but if there was neglect purposefully (which I'm not even saying there was), it was due to the economic status of the residents there, not the color of their skin.
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| *yrrnotelekktric* |
Aug 4 2006, 02:53 PM
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QUOTE(guy fawkes @ Aug 3 2006, 9:34 PM) It is not the president who needs convincing. That is a short term goal. It is the entire country that needs convincing. still, even if america got convinced, its unlikely that the president would join in. 
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Aug 5 2006, 12:25 AM
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QUOTE(yrrnotelekktric @ Aug 4 2006, 2:53 PM) still, even if america got convinced, its unlikely that the president would join in. Yeah the president wouldnt help a country without anything we want. Anyways we watched a movie about it in school. We also did something like that sending letters to Bush(personally i think he ignored them.)The reason i think we ignore it is because well noone cares over in America. Do we care what happens over seas? No as long as we get money and power we wont help a country like that. Are american goverment didnt help the people in Katrina for five days. The media got thier did the Goverment? Of course not because thier racists. It was a bad situation. The thing im trying to get across is are goverment doesnt care its sick but thats how they are. Maybe as a whole we could try to help them and get a message across to the U.S. |
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Aug 7 2006, 06:50 PM
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 CB's Forum Troll Group: Member Posts: 926 Joined: Mar 2005 Member No: 115,142 |
nawww meaaannn
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