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[*I Shot JFK*]

what do you MEAN stop making quick decisions?

no one is making ANY decisions.

we arent giving you orders. we're telling you what we think will work. concisely. you know, those opinons you are so keen for people to discuss? these are ours.

how can you claim to want to discuss opinions, when all you have to say is that nothing works. we might as well close down cb altogether with that attitude.

[*Statues/Shadows*]

Well by all means, explain then!

If you want to disuss, discuss! We're still waiting

Also, Dani, you're wanted in IRC

[*I Shot JFK*]

suzzette, your refusal to get into this is the whole problem.

the mods say there is no point in discussing leniency, because members will always be unhappy.

so PICK WHO WILL BE UNHAPPY. having half the members mildly irritated is better than having this kind of thread every couple of weeks wehre NO ONE is happy.

if you don not want anyone to dislike you, the first step is to step down. people do not like those who make the tough decisions, if they o against them. and that is something which, as a mod, you all need to accept. or get lost and let someone else give it a try.

[*Libertie*]

Oh gosh.. I'll try my hardest to get in using the java chat, but I'm on the work computer.

So, we just mod, then. Simple, yet interesting concept. :P

[*I Shot JFK*]

^ revolutionary, isnt it.

<3

[*jooleeah*]

suzzette, your refusal to get into this is the whole problem.

the mods say there is no point in discussing leniency, because members will always be unhappy.

so PICK WHO WILL BE UNHAPPY. having half the members mildly irritated is better than having this kind of thread every couple of weeks wehre NO ONE is happy.

if you don not want anyone to dislike you, the first step is to step down. people do not like those who make the tough decisions, if they o against them. and that is something which, as a mod, you all need to accept. or get lost and let someone else give it a try.

Alright...

We do not want one half of our cb members leaving just because the other half wants them to. We cannot just pick between members who want leniency and members who want mods "to go back to normal". Also, I think it's a bit out of line for you to suggest Suzzette to step down. She's an excellent mod, and she IS doing her job. Honestly, it was a bit rude for you to tell her to "get lost and let someone else give it a try".

[*I Shot JFK*]

well, in my opinion, sh ehas demonstrated NO abilit yto make decisions, so there is no point in having her as a mod. a monkey could close topics. thats not an issue. we need actual dynamic people who will GET THINGS DONE. and the stepping down thing goes for everyone, not just suzzette. although she can rush to the front of the line.

if you cannot pick, then close this thread. it will accomplish nothing, and by telling us to discuss, you are wasting our time.

it comes down to choice.

[*Weird addiction*]

well, in my opinion, she has demonstrated NO ability to make decisions, so there is no point in having her as a mod. a monkey could close topics. thats not an issue.

That was a little harsh, don't you think?

[pshaa.shauna]

I'm agreeing with James on this.

He's basically taken everything I've figured out to say in the pst half-hour.

[*I Shot JFK*]

sandra, harsh works sometimes. there is no point telling someone they're doing a good job when you dont think they are.

thanks, shauna. look, a pleased member. not that hard, is it?

[*jooleeah*]

Just because she wants things both ways does not mean she's indecisive about everything. I think you're underestimating everything she's done for createblog.

Again, I do not think that we are able to pick between the two groups. What's the point in that? I assure you, that if we do agree with you and decide to "do something harsh", more and more trouble will come out of it. I honestly think we can come up with something better rather than having to have a "choice" between the two sides.

[*Statues/Shadows*]

Maybe not indecisive about everything, but she's decidedly indecisive about this.

Since when were we trying to decide betweern two groups? However, if you musyt think of it in those terms, I recommend you choose the group that is not mkaeing everyone miserable. One "group" does not cause threads like this.

That's still not the choice at hand, though. There's no need to make everyone go away, but still something must be done. And this, once again, isn't it.

[*I Shot JFK*]

you know that that is what decisive IS right? im sure she's been fine at doing the everyday modding. but a monkey could. in terms of decisions, meh/ you forget, i saw backstage for months. i have a fair idea of how useful a lot of the mods are.

on what basis do you make that assurance? either, you stay the way you are in terms of leiency, or you toughen up. that isnt radical... its COMMON SENSE. betwen the lot of you, you need to decide on a stance, and stick with it. what other alternative is there? well, i suppose you could get mor elenient in theory, but please dont.

[*Weird addiction*]

Maybe not indecisive about everything, but she's decidedly indecisive about this.

Since when were we trying to decide betweern two groups? However, if you musyt think of it in those terms, I recommend you choose the group that is not mkaeing everyone miserable. One "group" does not cause threads like this.

That's still not the choice at hand, though. There's no need to make everyone go away, but still something must be done. And this, once again, isn't it.

Haha, you're typing like James. Woot for typos.

[*I Shot JFK*]

lol. we're on the phone. its hard to type and hold a phone

[pshaa.shauna]

Change the leniency rule then, even though this has been proposed before and no one has done it.

I remember back when Micheal said something about how topics should be allowed to go slightly off-topic for a disscussion, as in when a thread got about 4 or 5 people talking about something and the topic shifted a bit.

You also have to remember, as I have told other people, that they people who spam this place to hell, don't care. I've talked to a few people while they were going on their rampage, and they did it because they were bored. Hell, people who barely come to Createblog make new accounts to spam. They. Don't. Care. At all.

[*I Shot JFK*]

i think having a written guideline wont work, because there are too many potential variations. as a whole, the mods need to say 'lets get tougher' and just do it.

and fire the mods who have to check with everyone before they make a decision. because all it does is put te focus of dissatisfaction on the people who end up actualy dealing with problems. the good mods, in short.

[*Zatanna*]

well, in my opinion, sh ehas demonstrated NO abilit yto make decisions, so there is no point in having her as a mod. a monkey could close topics. thats not an issue. we need actual dynamic people who will GET THINGS DONE. and the stepping down thing goes for everyone, not just suzzette. although she can rush to the front of the line.

if you cannot pick, then close this thread. it will accomplish nothing, and by telling us to discuss, you are wasting our time.

it comes down to choice.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

I'm sorry, but that's entirely out of line. Jeez, judge much?

[*I Shot JFK*]

why? saying that if you dont want to do the job right, step down? thats not out of line. its that nasty common sense rearing its head again

[*Libertie*]

i think having a written guideline wont work, because there are too many potential variations. as a whole, the mods need to say 'lets get tougher' and just do it.

and fire the mods who have to check with everyone before they make a decision. because all it does is put te focus of dissatisfaction on the people who end up actualy dealing with problems. the good mods, in short.

Harsh words. :P

But you're right, we do need to be sure about what we're doing, and this is something I think a lot of us, including myself, are timid about at times. I don't think necessarily that we should fire anyone, but perhaps each of us should take into consideration whether or not we could use an improvement.

[*I Shot JFK*]

^ but what happens when you reach a conclusion?

and suzzette, i like how you've run away from the discussion you want so badly... nice.

[*Statues/Shadows*]

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

I'm sorry, but that's entirely out of line. Jeez, judge much?

I thin you've misunderstood that part, honestly. It's not that he thinks all the mods are horrible job and should step down, so much as that stepping down would be the logical thing for someone to do when they can't seem to handle making people unhappy.

[*Weird addiction*]

James, CALM DOWN. Breathe...think of me naked. I think you're taking this WAY too seriously.

[*Zatanna*]

But it IS out of line because you don't know what happens behind the scenes and how much we've all really tried to make things flow around here.

For example -

When I was first modded, I closed anything I felt needed to be closed. I literallly was singled out for doing so on more than one occasion. I was a so-called thread 'nazi.'

And, we were TOLD to do exactly what we're currently doing.

I just don't see eye to eye on this with you, James.

Yes, we accept the consequences when we are put into a position of authority. That doesn't mean that everything we do is going to scream out "LOOK AT ME THE DYNAMIC MOD!"

So perhaps, beyond just saying that all of us should just quit, with the exception of Michael and Dani, why not offer something constructive?

[*I Shot JFK*]

i was already thinking of you, sandra.

but anyway, im not angry. i just think its tme someone said something provocative, in hopes that maybe someone will tackle the issue. if only to shut me up.

oh, rebecca posted.

i dont NEED to know what goes on behind the scenes to see that no decisions are made. because we see the lack of results. and if you were told to, thats fine. but it isnt working, so STOP IT.

my constructive advise is choose what you want. my adivce is to pick the tougher option. and if you cant, to step down.