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[*mipadi*]

I would suggest an age limit. But, I think I know how impossible that would be.
Either way, I think an age limit could actually help.

Not only hard to implement, but a bit unfair. cB shouldn't necessarily be a forum only for older members. Some younger members on cB are insightful; some older members on cB are asses. Age can be, but isn't necessarily, a factor in determining member worth.

Besides, if cB was going to jump to having rules for membership, one might be just as well off splitting off and founding another forum. For example, if you feel age is an important factor, you could always just start a new forum where you could limit membership by age or other relevant factors. (Note that this is just an example; I'm not implying that you should leave, or anything like that. Basically, I'm not trying to take a bullshit attitude like "If you don't like it here, then feel free to leave." I'm just making a point about how limiting cB's membership is essentially akin to just starting a new community—which again, may not be a bad idea.)

[sadolakced acid]

IRC

[*Libertie*]

^I am and have been in, as you know, but just putting that out there.

Some members might see users like Dani and I talk about the IRC channel a lot. The IRC channel is often times dead; mostly it's just populated by Dani and I, or more likely just Dani, or in some cases just me. But when there are a few people in there—two or four or six or eight—it's a lot of fun. I think Dani and others would agree we have some really interesting discussions. Sure, it's small, but it's small enough to be personal, and that's what makes it interesting.

^I agree, we have a lot of fun in there. That's why I hang out alone most of the time, I want to be there just in case someone else comes in.. >_>

[*Programmer*]

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and just by creating this topic...U've started yet another spam thread....we know it's wrong....but it's summer and most people really don't give a damn...which is sad.

point proven....

Not here to say i told you so. But in all honesty i knew it was gonna happen. You guys are interacting in conversation and judging other peoples ideas...rather then just putting how you feel this should be dealt with and move on. In all honesty Mod's have the final say here.

[*Weird addiction*]

Justin and Shauna: How is splitting up into "houses", going to bring us together as a community?
Also--stop spamming. Can we atleast have one serious thread for discussion? Why are you posting in here and trying to help us "fix" this, when you're adding to the problem?
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We can pretty much try anything that has been suggested in this thread...but it wouldn't be the first attempt to try and repair cB's community. It hasn't worked in the past because some people care too much, and some people don't care at all.

I agree with Steven, about the "good days", (when Roxanne and Trish's sites helped attract people to createBlog). I think a lot of our active members now weren't even here to see the good days. They just see what cB has become...

And also, I don't remember who said the thing about "the rules being too strict..and that's why people spam"--going back to what Steven said: The rules are strict because people were spamming.

Obviously...stricter rules don't seem to solve anything. Like Michael said...maybe the community needs to do the work.

(About the 13+ thing, when Toby was 12 she was a great addition to the community, and was even on Head Staff)

Suzzette, I actually agree with Mr Acid. Splitting us IS going to bring us a little bit closer. The only problem is that we are over a hundred thousand, so it won't work.

[pshaa.shauna]

Spiltting us up would bring us together. Friendly competition. There's just too many of us to do so. Actually, Justin and I weren't completely spamming. We were disscussing our own solution.

[pshaa.shauna]

Actually, Justin and I weren't completely spamming. We were disscussing our own solution.

We weren't completely spamming I said, we did start a bit, but it wasn't total spam like Seon Ho was doing.

Justin said that the active members should be spilt up, and the sleeping people can stay that way unles they become active. I am quite aware this isn't Harry Potter, but it's worked well for other forums with the same base. GraphicDesign tied with Community forums.

And you don't have to appogize.

[Mireh]

In my opinion, I think that CB is a tad anal on the whole "spamming" issue. I see new members post intresting topics everyday, only to have them closed down because people think that their topic is stupid or irrelevant. Which leads me to think that the moderators are becoming slightly power-hungry.

If not, then CB's expectations are way to high for any forum.

But alas, this is only my opinion.

[pshaa.shauna]

I see new members post intresting topics everyday, only to have them closed down because people think that their topic is stupid or irrelevant.

Maybe I'm just here enough anymore, but where?

[*Zatanna*]

Ok - I have a lot to do here at work since I didn't get much done yesterday, but I wanted to just say something really quick.

You do realize that this is a double-edged sword, right? For a long time it seemed that there was a strong sentiment that mods were being too rigid. Micron stepped in and basically wanted to implement some leniency, particularly in The Lounge.

So we did just that. We chilled.

Then the blatent spam-fests ensued.

Now we're not policing enough? Sometimes it really does seem like we're damned if we do, and damned if we don't.

[*I Shot JFK*]

I think the mods made a mistake.

they should not have announced the leniency thing, but rather put it into practice backstage. but too late now, and we're stuck with it.

personally, the moral of that story to me is take away jusun's influence over the people staff/community section. he is out of touch withwhat cb is. simple as that. i mean, its his baby, and respect to that, but he MUST stop popping up at intervals, implementing something random, and just going away again. it doesnt work.

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And the problem i see with the mods at the moment is, and im NOT trying to attack here, but simply stating my observations, is that the majority are very similar. something seems to get proposed, and the mods will defend each other, seemingly regardless of whether or not the criticism which is being levelled is valid or not.

as far as spam goes, all the leniency thing has done is cause confusion. mod shave to check with one another now before anything gets done, for fear of making a 'mistake'. half the mods have no backbone, which is a double problem, because it makes the mods who actually get things done look villainous, and alienates them from the community as 'power hungry'.

also, it may be worth modding some of those people who DO get along with the chatites, as i fondly label them. dani is by FAR the most popular mod, because she gets along with everyone, and can represent their feelingsduring a conflict, which is something which is lacking. michael also does well at this.

try modding someone like sally. she is mature enough to be a mod, and can also relate to and therefore help to calm her friends by having a say in their punishments/problems/ideas.

above all, abandon the leniency thing. the attempt has failed. it was an interesting idea, but it did not work.

[*Libertie*]

Now we're not policing enough? Sometimes it really does seem like we're damned if we do, and damned if we don't.

You know, Michael said that.. Almost that exact same thing.. in the IRC chat one evening. It's true. What can we do?

To be fair, I don't shut down topics I feel are irrelevant by new posters (or any posters for that matter). Usually I try to give the person the benefit of the doubt for a while, unless it's a repeat thread.

I think the mods made a mistake.
they should not have announced the leniency thing, but rather put it into practice backstage. but too late now, and we're stuck with it.

I agree wholeheartedly, and we've even discussed this. It was a mistake to make a public announcement about the leniency issue, because people ran away with it as soon as they heard it.

[*I Shot JFK*]

and now, the mods have to do something harsh. and take it back.

which is going to make people hate them for about a month. then people may tahank them. its a gamble.

and to clarify, i KNOW th emods didnt know about the leniency thing. that is why i criticised jusun. so no one get their panties in a twist

[*I Shot JFK*]

if you want to solve this problem, then yes, i believe so.

[*Statues/Shadows*]

Get over it?

[*I Shot JFK*]

exactly.

would you rather be useless, or power hungry? pick one, because you're stuck with it.

[*Statues/Shadows*]

I do mean get over it. We know it's a double edged sword. But now it's time to try out the other side, because this one isn't working. No need to have irrational fears of members' reactions, just do your jobs.

[*I Shot JFK*]

yup, so you have to pick, and get over the fact that som epeople will be disatisfied.

you people are voluntarily in a position of authority. so sort it out. ther eis no point in having this thread if the mods dont want to face any difficult choices.

[*I Shot JFK*]

so. which was better?

[*Statues/Shadows*]

Well go back to it. It was better than this. Stop being diffucult. Why exactly are you bothering to respond if you're not going to do anything about anythinng?

Do you have anything to propose at all, or are you judt going to fight us for the sake of it?

[*I Shot JFK*]

suzzette, what is th epoint of you?

you are NOT going to accomplish anything with this attitude.

[*Statues/Shadows*]

Yes, but that's the point. You're not discusing aanything! You're saying NOTHING!!!!

I don't happen to consider 'be useful' an order, anyway. It's something ypou sohould do regardless.

[*I Shot JFK*]

well, nothing constructive

[*Libertie*]

I say we abandon whatever rule there is about how strict or lenient we have to be and just rely on our best judgment. I'm pretty sure we can be trusted to do that. No need to say "we're gonna be more strict" or "we're gonna keep being lenient", just use common sense and good judgment and make sure people are following the rules.

As a side note, I agree with James about Sally being excellent mod material, and that's why I nominated her during the last hiring session. It'd be a little rash to put her on right now, but I hope we continue to keep those qualities (friendly and able to relate yet still mature enough to get the job done) in mind for future additions to the staff team.

[*Statues/Shadows*]

What are you talking about?
Sorry if I seem negative, but nothing is working. I don't want orders from you guys, I want more freedom for people to discuss their opinions.

We need to stop making quick decisions to solve big problems.

No no no no no, obviously nothing is working. That's the point. You don't seem to be trying to resolve it, that's what I'm sayig. Id like to discuss it too, but you're being difficult and doing little more than repeating the same uselessness.

Doing your job is not a quick decision. (I agree with what Dani just posted. Stop being worried about every move you make and just mod)