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Is the Confederate Flag Racist?
onenonly101
post May 22 2004, 11:55 AM
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Many people have different views on this. Some say no because the flag is their heritage and many say yes because of what it represents now i nthe present. So the question is If the Confederate Flag Racist.

This was started on another forum and this is what i had to say (keep in mind some people were replying back so, sorry if i repeated my self in any sentences, also it was also starting to talk about the war)

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My opinion on the confederate flag is all over the place actually. i think that it the ways it is used can be racist. it started off as a symbol of pride and finished off as a symbol of haterd. many people have twisted the flag and its view to make it as a symbol of haterd not only against blacks, but jews, hispanics, catholics, and anyone who was not like them. Personally i do not think that there should have been a confederate flag in the first place because as the so called United States we shouldn't have ever divided ourselves.

Ok when i say it has turned out to now be a symbol of racism i mean that when the flag first came about it was all about southern pride and heritage and what not. but after the civil war when the KKK was created they used the flag as a symbol of haterd of minorities and when in the 50s when all the hate groups were becoming even more fired up against blacks they waved around that flag at all their meetings when they were saying i hate blacks, jews, and everybody who isn't me. some people now still see it as only a symbol of heritage, but you have to put yourself in a minorties body and see what we see when every time you see the flag it is always associated with somethingd bad as racism, what more can you think.

I don't think anyone said the war was just about slavery. It was about states rights and slavery because the question of states rights arose because of slavery. The thing is now the flag is associated with all the hate groups. They don't have the right to use it but it doesn't change the fact that they do use it. When everything is all done and said with all people will remember is that neo-nazi, kkk, and other hate groups used that flag.
I say i don't like to see the flag because all i see is hate.

I haven't been taught to only see hate. I actually used to believe that is wasn't racist, when everyone said it was. The thing is that when i started researching things like the Civil war and other things I realized the intentions of it weren't meant to be racist but it is now and there is nothing to change that.

Ya'll keep saying it wasn't over slavery. The reason the states succeeded to union wqas because of slavery. The issue of states right to govern and allow to have slaves is what caused the split. If there wasn't the issue of slavery i can bet there wouldn't have been a civil war.
How can a flag hold your heritage. There is no more Confederacy so you there shouldn't be the Confederate flag. How can you love a flag that represents separation?.
Like i said before you have to look from the other point of view. I've been on both sides and everytime i see that flag it is behind someone saying they agree with separation. take how you wanna, but in my eyes it is racist,

I never said the north was dead set against slavery or that northern states didn't have slaves so i don't know how that got into the agrument. Also they returned the slaves bcak because there was rewards, everybody is money hungry AND laws. Also those states that had slave in the north went with the succession with the south so then they were apart of the confederacy.
Poor people did have slaves. Most of the southerners yeah weren't rich enough to buy many slaves, but that doesn't mean that they didn't have slaves. Almost one-third of all Southern families owned slaves. In Mississippi and South Carolina it approached one half. Also the states who were near the north weren't considered nothern states they were ocnsidered borderline states. And they did not suceede to the Confederacy.
I shouldn't have said if i did, slavery was the only reason. The slavery issue however was the largest issue and the one of most concern. Other factors like politcally stemmed from slavery because before they made the 3/4 compromise, people in the North said if they are just property then they shouldn't be counted toward the voting rep in Congress, but the Southerns disagreed because the more people the more reps you could have. That was one of the issues that started the Civil War.The South also suceeded because they though Lincolin was going to free slaves even though he never advocated abolishing slavery.
But back to the flag

I meant to ask ya'll before what Confederate do you love or whatever. Because for example Georgia's flag up until 2001 was not the original Confederate flag it was a Confederate flag put up to protest the Supreme court's decision on Brown vs. Board of Education.
The flag is a representation of slavery because there wasn't a confederate flag until the succession. What i don't understand is how you say you have an alliegence to a flag of a nonexistent place. There is no more Union or Confederacy it is simply the United States of America. Yeah the Confederacy consisted of southern states but doesn't mean that it should represent the states or what not.


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onenonly101   Is the Confederate Flag Racist?   May 22 2004, 11:55 AM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jul 8 2004, 1:34 PM)Since...   Jul 8 2004, 03:44 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEif the person who displays the flag is doing ...   Jul 8 2004, 10:05 PM
TBoltzbabe   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 8 2004, 10:05 PM)Du...   Jul 8 2004, 11:51 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEI have read the previous posts, maybe you sho...   Jul 9 2004, 12:05 AM
onenonly101   Me QUOTEsince you are using the word based. Afirma...   Jul 9 2004, 11:19 AM
TBoltzbabe   QUOTE^^That is from the affirmative action debate....   Jul 9 2004, 12:27 PM
CrackedRearView   ComradeRed -- I noticed you talked about the CNFL...   Jul 9 2004, 12:30 PM
ComradeRed   The flag doesn't deal with racism, however. Pe...   Jul 9 2004, 12:59 PM
onenonly101   But flags are made to represent someone, represent...   Jul 10 2004, 12:54 PM
thesillyme   Once again, I didn't read replies...but here...   Feb 27 2005, 05:58 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(thesillyme @ Feb 27 2005, 5:58 PM)Once ...   Feb 27 2005, 09:46 PM
thesillyme   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Feb 27 2005, 10:46 PM)H...   Apr 22 2005, 09:26 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(thesillyme @ Apr 22 2005, 9:26 AM)Don...   Apr 22 2005, 09:49 AM
nevernothere   It's not racist as long as you don't flaun...   Feb 27 2005, 06:02 PM
sammi rules you   why do we keep bringing back extremely old topics?...   Feb 27 2005, 10:24 PM
sadolakced acid   because the ressurection is drawing near. :-P o...   Feb 27 2005, 10:50 PM
BrandonSaunders   I'm a northerner, born and raised. When I move...   Apr 15 2005, 04:41 PM
DavidJ2318   i say no, well not anymore anyway. i am from the ...   Apr 16 2005, 10:47 AM
Frankie   some people at my school think it is like a racisi...   Apr 16 2005, 01:17 PM
skateforfree   i mite be from texas but i think the confederate f...   Apr 16 2005, 11:07 PM
antix10_kos   The confederate flag is offensive. Or at least I t...   Apr 20 2005, 11:12 AM
skateforfree   QUOTE(antix10_kos @ Apr 20 2005, 10:12 AM)The...   Apr 22 2005, 04:46 PM
XoJennaoX   QUOTE(skateforfree @ Apr 22 2005, 4:46 PM)the...   Apr 23 2005, 09:00 AM
lilliannnn   i think it is.. i don't have a very strong opi...   Apr 22 2005, 03:39 PM
XoJennaoX   Ask anyone who has this symbol, and they'll mo...   Apr 22 2005, 04:07 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(XoJennaoX @ Apr 22 2005, 4:07 PM)The Sw...   Apr 23 2005, 03:50 PM
XoJennaoX   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Apr 23 2005, 3:50 PM)Ge...   Apr 23 2005, 04:07 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(XoJennaoX @ Apr 23 2005, 4:07 PM)Yes i ...   Apr 23 2005, 04:30 PM
XoJennaoX   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Apr 23 2005, 4:30 PM)An...   Apr 23 2005, 05:27 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(XoJennaoX @ Apr 23 2005, 5:27 PM)This i...   Apr 23 2005, 05:38 PM
Ballpointpencil   The war and the flag had very little to do with sl...   Apr 23 2005, 10:58 AM
XoJennaoX   QUOTE(Ballpointpencil @ Apr 23 2005, 10:58 AM...   Apr 23 2005, 02:36 PM
BrandonSaunders   QUOTE(Ballpointpencil @ Apr 23 2005, 9:58 AM)...   Apr 24 2005, 01:26 AM
sadolakced acid   i have a swastika. it's on it's side, wit...   Apr 23 2005, 05:20 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Apr 23 2005, 5:20 PM)...   Apr 23 2005, 05:24 PM
XoJennaoX   ^nice. As long as the flag is still being used to...   Apr 24 2005, 07:38 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(XoJennaoX @ Apr 24 2005, 7:38 AM)becaus...   Jun 23 2005, 05:06 PM
antix10_kos   Apparently, a few people really took my previous p...   Apr 25 2005, 11:45 PM
ROARxD   i really dont know; there are so many flags out th...   Apr 29 2005, 06:51 PM
yonjon   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ May 23 2004, 5:55 AM)Many...   Jun 23 2005, 02:43 AM
smile4me   QUOTEi really dont know; there are so many flags o...   Jun 23 2005, 04:56 PM
madchenallein   Huzzah, uninspiredfae! You can't clai...   Jun 26 2005, 04:33 AM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(madchenallein @ Jun 26 2005, 4:33 AM)...   Jun 26 2005, 04:47 AM
madchenallein   As I mentioned, I am not 'flying' a Confed...   Jun 26 2005, 05:12 AM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(madchenallein @ Jun 26 2005, 5:12 AM)As...   Jun 26 2005, 01:52 PM
madchenallein   Mr. Acid, it is so funny that you mention swastika...   Jun 26 2005, 04:51 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(madchenallein @ Jun 26 2005, 4:51 PM)I ...   Jun 26 2005, 05:40 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(madchenallein @ Jun 26 2005, 4:51 PM)I ...   Jun 26 2005, 06:02 PM
madchenallein   Here are a few quotes for you. You seem to want t...   Jun 26 2005, 08:48 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(madchenallein @ Jun 26 2005, 8:48 PM)He...   Jun 26 2005, 11:00 PM
madchenallein   You want to know a huge HUGE individual right that...   Jun 27 2005, 07:57 AM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(madchenallein @ Jun 27 2005, 7:57 AM)Yo...   Jun 27 2005, 08:58 AM
ryfitaDF   every time i ask somone sporting the confederate f...   Jun 30 2005, 01:56 AM
A.D.   May be a little late in posting but I gotta speak ...   Jul 3 2005, 08:00 PM
Equator   You cannot separate racism from the Confederate fl...   Aug 16 2005, 07:03 AM
ComradeRed   Equator: You use a hell of a lot of ellipses. Coul...   Aug 16 2005, 08:59 AM
Equator   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Aug 16 2005, 9:59 AM)Equat...   Aug 16 2005, 08:47 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(Equator @ Aug 16 2005, 8:47 PM)The Conf...   Aug 17 2005, 12:11 PM
Equator   In the “Ordinances of Secession 13 Confederate Sta...   Aug 17 2005, 08:39 PM
ComradeRed   All you prove with your quotes was that slavery wa...   Aug 18 2005, 10:10 AM
BrandonSaunders   I love how you delve into the catacombs of textboo...   Aug 18 2005, 05:44 PM
Equator   Comradered: Racists can be benevolent to the ones...   Aug 18 2005, 07:15 PM
ComradeRed   Lee was not a racist, certainly not as much as m...   Aug 18 2005, 07:51 PM
Equator   BrandonSaunders: History is the means by which Co...   Aug 18 2005, 07:54 PM
ComradeRed   If you claim that every nation which held racist i...   Aug 18 2005, 07:59 PM
Equator   Comradred: How do you know that Lee wasn’t a raci...   Aug 18 2005, 08:12 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(Equator @ Aug 18 2005, 8:12 PM)Comradre...   Aug 18 2005, 08:19 PM
Equator   Comradred: I don’t care so much what something me...   Aug 18 2005, 08:28 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(Equator @ Aug 18 2005, 8:28 PM)The fact...   Aug 18 2005, 08:34 PM
Equator   Comradred: The issue is: “is the Confederate flag...   Aug 18 2005, 08:46 PM
ComradeRed   A symbol can be racist if the thing it represents ...   Aug 18 2005, 08:56 PM
Equator   Refer to post 8/21/05.   Aug 19 2005, 03:23 AM
latinprep12   Im from newyork and well northen people dont rep. ...   Aug 19 2005, 04:17 AM
Equator   Refer to post 8/21/05.   Aug 19 2005, 04:48 AM
ComradeRed   Relativist: Because a flag is a meaningless except...   Aug 20 2005, 12:49 AM
latinprep12   Equator is the best at debating [your really good ...   Aug 19 2005, 05:22 AM
Equator   Latinprep12: Yankee gloating puts down Confederat...   Aug 19 2005, 09:24 AM
latinprep12   haha thanks...but you explain really good..keep it...   Aug 19 2005, 09:27 AM
Equator   Latinprep12: et al.: Would you like me to address...   Aug 20 2005, 06:33 AM
ComradeRed   You misunderstood my entire argument. I said that ...   Aug 20 2005, 07:58 AM
Equator   Comradred: The intent of judging the Confederate ...   Aug 20 2005, 10:20 AM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(Equator @ Aug 20 2005, 10:20 AM)The int...   Aug 20 2005, 04:50 PM
Equator   Revised Summary of the moral arguments in the Conf...   Aug 21 2005, 05:18 AM
ComradeRed   If you're going to repeat what you already sai...   Aug 21 2005, 07:54 PM
sweet_as_pie13   living in virginia, i see a lot of confederate fla...   Aug 24 2005, 10:27 AM
Moongirl1588   Yes, I think the confederate flag is racist becaus...   Nov 6 2007, 07:31 PM
Uronacid   I think that the people who plaster their personal...   Nov 9 2007, 10:07 AM
JakeKKing   Why don't you look it up for your god damn sel...   Nov 10 2007, 12:30 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Nov 10 2007, 12:30 AM) ...   Nov 10 2007, 12:32 AM
Joss-eh-lime   yeah, i think it is racist. because it represents ...   Nov 10 2007, 03:43 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Jun 23 2005, 04:06 ...   Nov 10 2007, 04:21 PM
Sandraaa   f**k, FAE? ZOMG!! Hi!!   Nov 10 2007, 04:22 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(Sandraaa @ Nov 10 2007, 03:22 PM) f...   Nov 10 2007, 04:38 PM
Villainess   I dont think its racist. I mean I just look at it...   Nov 10 2007, 04:26 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(Villainess @ Nov 10 2007, 04:26 PM)...   Nov 11 2007, 10:16 AM
pandamonium   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Nov 11 2007, 10:16 AM) Y...   Nov 11 2007, 10:50 AM
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