Evangelism Options

[kimmytree]

I believe that there is no cliff. I am not blind, and i am not walking off of it. i believe that you- and all Christians- have bought into the greatest lie in the world.

Wow, that couldnt be any more true.

^ Respect? Yeah, you're a model of respect -- dubbing all Christians as the greatest liars in the world is about the most respectful thing I've ever read in my life.

How is that disrespectful? Thats nothing compared to Christians preaching and telling people that they're going to hell if they dont raise their hand during prayer or something and accept Christ.

[sweetangel2128]

You mean Jesus? He was a historical figure rather than a religious one. I don't know if I mentioned this, but he was killed for crimes against the state.. not religious crimes. The church twisted all that.

Jesus was killed because he claimed he was the messiah and preached of God, they believed he was lying and that's why they killed him.

Wow, that couldnt be any more true.
How is that disrespectful? Thats nothing compared to Christians preaching and telling people that they're going to hell if they dont raise their hand during prayer or something and accept Christ.

It's disrespectful because you are saying all Christians are like that when it's not true. Yes, there are Christians like that but I happen to be a Christian that doesn't believe in that.

[kimmytree]

It's disrespectful because you are saying all Christians are like that when it's not true. Yes, there are Christians like that but I happen to be a Christian that doesn't believe in that.

I see what your saying, but I still dont how its disrespectful... but oh well. I used to be a Christian too, but didnt believe like that either. But still, a majority of Christians believe that salvation is the only way.

Jesus was killed because he claimed he was the messiah and preached of God, they believed he was lying and that's why they killed him.

But to non believers, he's still a historical figure.

[sweetangel2128]

I see what your saying, but I still dont how its disrespectful... but oh well. I used to be a Christian too, but didnt believe like that either. But still, a majority of Christians believe that salvation is the only way.
But to non believers, he's still a historical figure.

True, they do and that's there own opinions, anyone who sits there and says your going to hell because your sinning is a misguided Christian and not a Christian at all but a hypocrit. I think it was disrespectful because you are basically putting all Christians in a group that's why I said it's disrespectful. Oh you used to be a Christian? Why aren't you one anymore? I've been back and forth for myself because I was too busy concentrating on what other people say and want, I had forgot what God wants and what I want for myself.

Jesus is a historical figure but he is also a religious figure

[sadolakced acid]

The sardonic comment still doesn't reverse the fact that you dropped the whole "I'm being dignified and respecting your opinion" crock at the point you dubbed the entire Christian religion a lie. I'm not condoning or saying I enjoy the misplaced zeal of Christians in their missionary/conversion efforts, because frankly, I don't. But don't outright commit the same foul as the Christians and then backtrack like you're just "making a point."

And don't patronize me with your tweenage, message board angst, tool. No amount of your smug, holier-than-thou garbage gives you such leeway.

The irony, of course, is that you almost had it. Why would i do the exact thing i was arguing against? It seems stupid, almost idiotic. It seems, oh, i don't know, somewhat strange unless there was a point. You almost had it. Almost.

I may be 11, but you're still the one arguing with me on an online forum. Don't tell me you don't care- you wouldn't have bothered if you didn't. Me? sure, i care. besides, where else do i vent my frustrations? If it weren't for idiots like you i could pwn, i might actually have to deal with the fact that i saw my girlfriend talking to another guy. Damn. I tell her i love her, and she does this to me. I'll never love again. 2 weeks of my life, wasted. Just kill me and rip out my heart, why don't you?

sorry about that sidetrack. Why can't we just be friends? why does everyone have to argue with each other?

okay, fine. I admit. the reason i hate christiantiy so much is, well. I used to be a choir boy. and... yea.

my psycologist says i should talk about it... but...

so, yea. i stopped believing in god after that. I realized what a horrible lie the whole thing was

i'm sorry. you're right. am am pathetic. eveeryone says i'm pathetic. gaddamit.

i'm going to go cry now.

[silly ol' man]

The irony, of course, is that you almost had it. Why would i do the exact thing i was arguing against? It seems stupid, almost idiotic. It seems, oh, i don't know, somewhat strange unless there was a point. You almost had it. Almost.

Fact remains: your "point" was reached in the most smug, ineffective, and childish of ways. And the point was feeble (at best) to begin with, anyway. Parade your ignorance, though -- it's comic relief after a hard day's work.

[sadolakced acid]

That's lovely. Your ad hominem attacks amount to nothing more than a desperate flailing of one drowning in self-importance.

The fact remains, you have not yet made an argument. You've not addressed anything through facts or even logic. Your posts so far have only employed ad hominem arguments-- ill directed as well.

If you want to come here and make me look like an idiot through facts and logic, i welcome it. But as it is you have to try harder than that.


"He, fearing intellectual debate, resorts to emotions in hopes of perhaps deflecting attention from his lack of knowledge."

=]

[silly ol' man]

You mistake me for one that wants to get thoroughly involved in this thread, when in fact, I was just thumbing through it. I just happened to be especially caught by your hoity-toity attitude and felt compelled to comment on it. I have nothing pertinent left on which to comment, and therefore I won't do so. I'll just reiterate the fact that you're a smug little troll and your attitude needs a swift kick to its groin.

Call it ad hominem, call it a "fear of intellectual debate," call it whatever you'd like to satisfy your priggishness, but it's inescapably true.

[sweetangel2128]

I may be 11

okay, fine. I admit. the reason i hate christiantiy so much is, well. I used to be a choir boy. and... yea.

Your only 11 years old? Wow! I didn't know that and wouldn't of known that from your posts.

You hate Christianity because you used to be a choir boy? What does that have do do with anything? *Confused*

[sdingfelder]

From sadolakced acid:
i believe the core message of Christianity has been tainted, that tele-evangelists, Christian conservatives, etc. are as much about jesus as i am.

Interesting. I'm going to make some assumptions here: You've never really studied Christianity. You've never read the Bible. You've never had someone explain that the Bible teaches of the wrath to come and the true reason that Jesus came to die.

I completely agree with you that men have tainted Christianity. That doesn't mean that the original message of the Bible and of Christ is wrong.

Consider if I went around and said that I studied the writings of sadolakced acid and he said that we should all open up our car windows and yell profanities at people that cut us off in traffic. In fact, he also taught that we should keep paper bags full of whipped cream handy in order to throw them at those people who do cut us off. I can even use specific sentences that you've said in order to back up my claims.

Problem is that those sentences were taken out of context and were never meant to be used that way. I wouldn't be representing what you truly said very well now would I ?

This is the same case with those who represent Christ. If those who have twisted the teachings of Christ would simply look to the Bible and His Word, they would see that they are out of line with His teachings.

From sadolakced acid:
I believe that there is no cliff. I am not blind, and i am not walking off of it. i believe that you- and all Christians- have bought into the greatest lie in the world.

So you don't believe you're going to die ? You don't believe that there's a cliff that you'll eventually either fall or jump off in order to step off this Earth and into eternity ?? If you don't believe that, then it's pretty clear that you've bought into a really big lie yourself.

There's no getting around the ultimate statistic: 10 out of 10 people die. It'll happen to you one day. How old do you think you'll be when you die ? Would you agree that there's a chance that you won't see tomorrow ? Of course there is. We're all only one heartbeat away from death. We're all only one heartbeat away from stepping out of time and into eternity. Find out how to get right with the God who will judge you after that happens.

From sadolakced acid:
I believe god is a concept integrated into humanity and exploited by some to control others. I believe that christianity- evanglism in specific- is a sure path to destruction.

sure, you can't see it. but that is because you're blinded by the lie. I believe your misdirected love for jesus will lead to a wasted life.

That is what i believe. But you sure as hell don't see me telling you that you've got it all wrong. And why? it's called respect.

I appreciate the fact that you preface everything with "I believe". That's an extremely honest way to represent what you say. I have to ask, though, how could you ever show or prove that your beliefs are true ?

If you agree that just believing something doesn't make something true, then you should be compelled to find out what truth is. Just because someone doesn't believe that pain is real, doesn't mean they're about to cut their arm off in order to prove it. Just because someone doesn't believe in gravity, doesn't mean that they're going to jump off a 10-story building and land softly on the ground.

Since we're in the realm of only what you believe, of course you wouldn't tell others that they're wrong. You have nothing to put forth as any kind of thoughtful evidence. You would simply be telling them that they should change their personal beliefs based on your personal beliefs. I use the term "personal" specifically to point out that these are you own thoughts, opinions, and imaginations. You have no thoughtful evidence to back up your claims that "god is a concept", "christianity- evanglism in specific- is a sure path to destruction", nor that my concern for your eternal destiny "will lead to a wasted life".

If you haven't read my previous posts, please understand that this is in no way how I was raised. I was a non-practicing Jew that had been raised with understanding that the name "Jesus" was worse than a four-letter curse word. So, when you say that I can't see what you're saying, I'd say you're wrong. I've lived on both sides of understanding.

As for your implication that I may not respect you because I am sharing with you the Truth of the Bible, I hope you know have the utmost respect for you -- and, as you know, I've never even met you. I respect the sanctity of your life so much that, if I didn't, I wouldn't care enough to even talk with you about this. I respect the preciousness of your eternal soul so much that, if I didn't, I could simply not reply and say, "Oh well. I don't really care what happens to him."

From sadolakced acid:
Love thy neighbor is a commandment. Convert him to Christianity is not.

See the problem is that you're saying things about Christianity based on things other than what the Bible teaches. You may be looking to non-Christians or to your own lack of knowledge of the Bible in order to tell you what Christianity teaches. Realize the problem here: You cannot try to understand something when the only input you get is from sources that don't understand it either.

Actually spreading the Good News of Jesus (called the Gospel) is a commandment. If you have a Bible, check out Matthew 4:19, Mark 16:15, Isaiah 52:7, Romans 10:14, 1 Peter 3:15, 2 Timothy 4:2, Matthew 10:8, Psalm 51:10 - 13. It's all over the place. This is what true followers of Messiah do.

From Heath21:
...right now I am wondering if I am a Christian because well I don't follow the Bible but I do read it a lot and love the education of it but I also live my life my way while I'm on earth.

It's good that you're wondering this of yourself. I can help you out a bit here. If you don't "follow the Bible", then by definition you're not a "Bible believer". If you don't follow Christ, then by definition you're not a Christian.

The Bible says to examine yourself as to whether or not you're in the faith (2 Corinthians 13:5). Note that this is "the" faith and not "a" faith. There is a singular faith that is spoken of in the Bible. The Bible also says to make your calling and election sure (2 Peter 1:10). This means to consider yourself and make sure that you're following the Bible's teachings. Please take the time to continue your self examination and honestly consider your calling.

You can read the latest book from Dr. Phil and say the following: "I do read it a lot and love the education of it but I also live my life my way while I'm on earth." The Bible isn't just a book to be read in order to pick and choose those things you like.

From Heath21:
I mean I see myself as being a Christian because well, I believe there is a HUGE possiblity that God/Jesus exist.

I'm confused by your statement that Jesus existed is a possibility and that you consider yourself a Christian. Going to church doesn't make someone a Christian -- it makes someone a "church goer". Instead of "Christianity", you're talking about "Church-ianity".

From Heath21:
She pushed religion on me, told me I was sinning by having sex out of marriage, not going to church, being with a non-Christian guy ect..

I don't expect you to reply openly to these things, but please ask yourself if those three examples really happened. If they didn't, then your friend is wrong to have brought them up. If they did, then your friend is simply looking at what the Bible teaches and trying to show that doing these things will hurt your relationship with God.

Now, not going to church is not what I'd call a sin since there's no command in Scripture to go to a building called a church. The Bible does, though, say to not turn aside the chance to be around other Christians who believe as you do.

Also, knowing that you don't read the Bible as the Word of God and that you're not a follower of Jesus, I wouldn't worry about being with a non-Christian since you're not one yourself.

The 7th Commandment is very clear -- you should not commit adultery. If you've done this, you very clearly broke this Commandment. If you believe what Jesus said, you'll know that He made this Commandment even more strict by saying that if you look upon someone to lust after them, you've already committed adultery with them in your heart. You don't even need to perform the act if you simply think it !! This is because the God of the Bible judges not only your actions, but also your thoughts and intentions.

If you break the law of men, you'd eventually stand in front of a judge. He'd ask if you're guilty of the crime brought against you. You may admit to it and hope that the judge will be merciful. He'd be bound by the law to exercise sentence. You're guilt would bring right judgment.

Why, then, would the God who gave you life be any different ? You've broken His Law (as we all have). He's given you a conscience as an "early warning system" to tell you not to do those things (as He has for all of us). You've gone against that conscience (as we all have). He must pass judgment. If you were to stand in judgment by God based on the Ten Commandments, please be honest enough to admit that you'd be found guilty. And, if found guilty by God on your judgment day, the Bible teaches that you're eternal destiny would not be Hell. That's right. It would not be Hell. Instead, it would be what's called the Lake of Fire (Revelation 21:8). That's even worse.

Your friend cares enough for you to try to bring you kicking and screaming with her. Problem is that she can't do that. It has to be your conscious decision and admission that you've broken the Law and that you could never pay the fine for that on your own. Only Jesus' sacrifice could pay for your freedom.

Consider this: You're standing at the open door of an airplane at 35,000 feet and you see a parachute by your right foot. You know for a fact that putting that parachute on will save you from the jump to come. You jump without that parachute. Does the knowledge that you have about that parachute help you in any way ? Of course not. Is it the parachute's fault that you'd hit the ground at a very high velocity ? Of course not. Your knowledge of the parachute and your choice to not put it on does not help as you try to break the law of gravity.

In the same way, we're all going to die some day. Your knowledge of Jesus (or, rather, your personal beliefs of Him) will not help. Even if you were to acknowledge that Jesus is, as He said, the ONLY way to get to Heaven but you do NOT PUT HIM ON as that parachute, you will receive the righteous judgment set forth for all of us. It's not His fault that we've all broken the Law. He gave us a conscience to stop us.

From Heath21:
she is a big part of the evanglising area and will do anything in her power to try and push religion on people and get them saved...

I hope she realizes that there's nothing in "her power" to get people saved. It's only in her power to tell people the truth. It's their decision to either accept that truth or reject it -- just as it's your decision.

From Heath21:
...because she believes if you don't believe in God, you will surely go to Hell.

I hope that her message is NOT that you simply have to "believe in God". As so many on this blog have said, you can believe in all kinds of gods. I hope that her message is that you must repent and be born again. Please read John 3:3 and see if you really believe Jesus and the things He said.

From Heath21:
Me on the other hand believe that the same thing as you, I don't believe you should push religion on people or convert them and that I don't believe God will send good people to Hell just because they decide not to follow him. That's just something I believe.

Please take the time to consider your statment that "I don't believe God will send good people to Hell just because they decide not to follow him."

First of all, the Bible says that none are good. Jesus Himself said that none are good, none but God.

When you look at God's 10 rules on moral perfection (which is what He demands), we all fall WAY short. We've all lied. We've all taken something that didn't belong to us. We've all blasphemed His Name. We've all committed adultery in our hearts (if not actually performed the act). And, in many cases, as you've said that you don't believe in a God that would send "good" people to Hell, we've created our own gods in our minds to suit our own personal beliefs. This is idolatry.

So, it's not deciding "not to follow Him" that sends someone to Hell. It's breaking these Laws.

To save yourself from this wrath to come, the fine must be paid. The only way to do that is NOT through anything you can do nor anything you could earn nor anything that you deserve. It is only by the loving Grace of the Lord Most High. Please read John 3:16 and consider what it's really saying.

Second, if you truly believe that "good" people are getting Heaven whether or not they're born again, why did Jesus come to die ? Why was His birth prophecied in the Old Covenant ? Why was His death prophecied in the Old Covenant ? If His death was useless, why die ? Why come ? If there are many paths to Heaven, what was the use of His Coming at all ?
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From Heath21:
I also believe that you don't need church to love or worship God and you DO NOT need to follow the Bible either...afterall, we are NOT perfect, we are human beings.
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You're exactly right. You don't need church. It's just a building. But, the Bible teaches that in order to worship God, you must do it in spirit and in truth. If you don't believe the full counsel of Scripture and you're not born again, you're not worshipping in spirit and truth.

As for "you DO NOT need to follow the Bible either": Please read 2 Timothy 3:16. There's nothing in the Bible that says you shouldn't follow its teachings. In fact, throughout the Bible you see the stories of those who don't follow it. You mentioned that you like to read the Bible and you appreciate the "education of it". You tell me: what happens to those who don't follow what God says ?

They say the Bible's full of mistakes. They're right. They're exactly right. The Bible's full of man's mistakes in NOT following the teachings and following the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Please don't make the same mistakes.
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From Heath21:
Another thing I'd like to add, is that I believe I am a Christian, a Christian is someone who believes that God exists, a Christian doesn't mean you have to abide by all the rules or that if you do this you'll go to Heaven.
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I just want to make sure that I stress this point: If you're not following Christ, you're not a Christian. Please don't think that just because you've walked into a church, that you're a Christian.

"Christian" does not mean "someone who believes that God exists". Muslims believe that their god exists, but they're not Christians.

Please understand that nowhere in Scripture does it say that a "Christian doesn't mean you have to abide by all the rules or that if you do this you'll go to Heaven". Please read John 3:18 & John 14:6.
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From Heath21:
True, they do and that's there own opinions, anyone who sits there and says your going to hell because your sinning is a misguided Christian and not a Christian at all but a hypocrit.
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Again, not correct. What the Bible teaches is not opinion. When someone tells you these things, it's because they're stating clearly what the Bible teaches.

Again, read John 3:3 -- a very clear statement from Jesus that unless you are "born again" you will NEVER see the Kingdom of Heaven. Please, please, please read this Scripture and see that you need to be born again. Jesus gave no other alternative.

As for being a hypocrite, there are many people who call themselves "Christians" because they go to a church and put on a "Christian makeover" before walking into those doors. Once they leave, though, they take off the make-up and live however they want. They're not Christians.

[silly ol' man]

Your only 11 years old? Wow! I didn't know that and wouldn't of known that from your posts.

You hate Christianity because you used to be a choir boy? What does that have do do with anything? *Confused*

He's being making an attempt at sarcasm when, in truth, he's really just smugging it up.

[sweetangel2128]

I do see myself as being a Christian, in the dictionary it says a Christian is someone who believes in God, I believe in God and I do do most of the stuff mentioned in the Bible such as: don't steal, don't cheat, don't committ murder ect...for a long time people were saying that I was committing a sin by having sex out of marriage but I read another post from another Christian girl saying nowhere in the Bible does it actually say that therefore it isn't a sin...so I did some research and tried looking up in my Bible in the concordance/dictionary I found Adultry but not sex before marriage or Fornication which is the same thing. I went online to Bible.com I think it was and BibleGateway and did a passage look up, typed in sex before marriage AND Fornication the only thing it could come up with is Adultry.

No, I have not committed Adultry, Fornication and Adultry are totally 2 different things. Adultry is dishonesty in a relationship, meaning running off with someone else but also being with someone or being married to them, cheating ect...it even clearly states that in the Bible right here:

"Unlawful sexual relations between a married and an unmarried person" <---now what do I get out of this line? God is saying that if you are either with someone as in dating, or married and you have sexual relations with someone other then who your with, your committing adultry. And I know this is in the Bible because I took that out of the back of my Bible and that is the true meaning it has NOTHING to do with fornication.

No, I do not go to church because of my experience with the church's and I don't believe you need church to love God, to worship God or for God to love & appreciate you. I pretty much have my church right here at my house by listening or singing to my praise & worship music or Christian music and everytime I read my Bible I am learning the word of God, theres my sunday morning service right there...however, I don't do it just on Sundays but pretty much everyday.

When I look at the Bible pretty much EVERYTHING they have mentioned not to do I try my hardest to follow which is why I look to the Bible now for answers because a lot of people tell me oh sex before marriage is a sin, cussing is a sin, this and that's a sin..ect...but everything they have said was a sin was not mentioned in the Bible as a sin.

Ok this is for some of you Christians if you believe in this...

If sex before marriage aka fornication is a sin by God than why isn't it in the 10 Commandments???? In fact if you look up the word it doesn't even come up.

Anyways, that's all I have to say

[sadolakced acid]

You mistake me for one that wants to get thoroughly involved in this thread, when in fact, I was just thumbing through it. I just happened to be especially caught by your hoity-toity attitude and felt compelled to comment on it. I have nothing pertinent left on which to comment, and therefore I won't do so. I'll just reiterate the fact that you're a smug little troll and your attitude needs a swift kick to its groin.

Call it ad hominem, call it a "fear of intellectual debate," call it whatever you'd like to satisfy your priggishness, but it's inescapably true.

and you're the one to 'bring me off my high horse', i assume?

[silly ol' man]

I can't reach your face to punch you off it unless of course I'm on one of my own.

[sdingfelder]

From Heath21:
I do see myself as being a Christian, in the dictionary it says a Christian is someone who believes in God...

Which dictionary did you check ? In Mirriam-Webster, the first definition is "one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ". A much simpler definition is a follower of Christ. Remember, it's not "God"-ian -- it's Christian.

From Heath21:
I believe in God and I do do most of the stuff mentioned in the Bible such as: don't steal, don't cheat, don't committ murder ect...

So, you're familiar with the 10 Commandments ? After the first time you lie, you qualify as a liar. After the first time you take something that doesn't belong to you, you're a thief. After the first time you take the Lord's Name in vain, you're a blasphemer. After the first time you wanted something that wasn't yours, you're covetous. After the first time you've looked with lust, you've committed adultery in your heart.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that (as it is for myself) you've broken all those Commandments. God sees you as a lying, thieving, blasphemous, covetous, adulterer at heart. You'll stand in front of Him in judgment and you will be found guilty. The God of the Universe has said in the Bible of only two places as eternal residences: Heaven or Hell. If you're found guilty, your destiny is Hell.

But in His Mercy and Grace, He offers a way to have your fine paid so you can be with Him. Your record is cleared. Jesus said that you must be born again. If you're not born again, your fine is not paid and you will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire. Please don't let that happen.

Please read James chapter 1 and see the dangers of being self-deceived.

From Heath21:
...for a long time people were saying that I was committing a sin by having sex out of marriage but I read another post from another Christian girl saying nowhere in the Bible does it actually say that therefore it isn't a sin...so I did some research and tried looking up in my Bible in the concordance/dictionary I found Adultry but not sex before marriage or Fornication which is the same thing. I went online to Bible.com I think it was and BibleGateway and did a passage look up, typed in sex before marriage AND Fornication the only thing it could come up with is Adultry.

No, I have not committed Adultry, Fornication and Adultry are totally 2 different things. Adultry is dishonesty in a relationship, meaning running off with someone else but also being with someone or being married to them, cheating ect...it even clearly states that in the Bible right here:

So, you've found a comment from someone calling themselves a Christian who says they've checked the Bible and just happened to not find anything in the Bible to convict them of having sex with someone other than their husband. What a convenient thing to note and for you to hold onto so tightly.

So it seems like what's happening is that you're enjoying your premarital sex -- whether or not you believe it to be a sin. Be careful that you're hardening your heart to God's Word. Read Matthew 5:27-28, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Corinthians 6:18-20, Galatians 5:19, and check http://www.layhands.com/IsPremaritalSexASin.htm.

From Heath21:
"Unlawful sexual relations between a married and an unmarried person" <---now what do I get out of this line? God is saying that if you are either with someone as in dating, or married and you have sexual relations with someone other then who your with, your committing adultry. And I know this is in the Bible because I took that out of the back of my Bible and that is the true meaning it has NOTHING to do with fornication.

No, I do not go to church because of my experience with the church's and I don't believe you need church to love God, to worship God or for God to love & appreciate you. I pretty much have my church right here at my house by listening or singing to my praise & worship music or Christian music and everytime I read my Bible I am learning the word of God, theres my sunday morning service right there...however, I don't do it just on Sundays but pretty much everyday.

When I look at the Bible pretty much EVERYTHING they have mentioned not to do I try my hardest to follow which is why I look to the Bible now for answers because a lot of people tell me oh sex before marriage is a sin, cussing is a sin, this and that's a sin..ect...but everything they have said was a sin was not mentioned in the Bible as a sin.

Ok this is for some of you Christians if you believe in this...

If sex before marriage aka fornication is a sin by God than why isn't it in the 10 Commandments???? In fact if you look up the word it doesn't even come up.

Where did you get your quote -- "Unlawful sexual relations between a married and an unmarried person" ? Did you get that from the Bible ?

Just for arguments' sake, let's assume that the 7th Commandment doesn't apply. How, then, do you stand up to the 10 Commandments ? You've lied. You've stolen. You've put things before God so that He wasn't the most important thing in your life. You've blasphemed His Name. If the 7th Commandment only applies to married people, are you doing okay on the other 9 Commandments ?

You're as guilty as everyone else -- including me -- of breaking His Commandments. We all deserve His righteous judgment. We deserve the appropriate sentence.

Don't let what's called "the lusts of your flesh" twist His Word so that it suits your desires. It's His Word that changes us, not the other way around.

[sadolakced acid]

I can't reach your face to punch you off it unless of course I'm on one of my own.

Your insolence amazes me. Be a good newbie now and shut up.

[elaboratedream]

ScottD, your arguements are beginning to bore me.
and you're so concerned for me. I'm living my life to the fullest, I have no regrets. I'm more free than I've ever been before. I'm happier than I've ever been.
I do live each day for the day, perfectly aware it could end at any time. I'm not afraid to die. Not to say I want to die, because I do like life, but I dont fear it.

but that's completely off topic... like almost all of your posts.

[sdingfelder]

Heath21:
I was thinking about our discussion so far and I realized that I can almost guarantee that you are extremely famliar with a story in the Bible that says that premarital sex is not accepted based on Bible teaching.

There was a man who had to make a choice: either allow a girl to be stoned to death or allow her to be quietly set free. He and this girl were promised to each other to be married, but the bottom line is that, because they were not married. After finding out that she clearly had premarital sex -- sex before they had their wedding ceremony -- by seeing that she was pregnant, this guy had to make a choice. It was lawful to have made either choice. Out of his caring for her, he chose not to pursue wrath.

Their names: Joseph & Mary. Read Matthew 1:18-19. The King James (in verse 19) uses the term "husband", but they had not been married yet.

Please consider that.

ursedonah:

ScottD, your arguements are beginning to bore me.

I apologize for not meeting your standards for entertainment.

I imagine you've never heard the following: "For the non-believer, this life is the best it gets. For the Believer, this life is the worst it gets." I hope you remember that.

[sweetangel2128]

Heath21:
I was thinking about our discussion so far and I realized that I can almost guarantee that you are extremely famliar with a story in the Bible that says that premarital sex is not accepted based on Bible teaching.

There was a man who had to make a choice: either allow a girl to be stoned to death or allow her to be quietly set free. He and this girl were promised to each other to be married, but the bottom line is that, because they were not married. After finding out that she clearly had premarital sex -- sex before they had their wedding ceremony -- by seeing that she was pregnant, this guy had to make a choice. It was lawful to have made either choice. Out of his caring for her, he chose not to pursue wrath.

Their names: Joseph & Mary. Read Matthew 1:18-19. The King James (in verse 19) uses the term "husband", but they had not been married yet.

Please consider that.

I have no clue where your getting your info from but I looked that verse up in my Bible which is the New Living Translation version and I also searched it on Bible Gateway under the King James version to see what it did say.

Heres what I found:

King James Version: Matthew 1:18-19.

18Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

19Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.

Yes true it mentions him to be her husband but it doesn't say she was stoned. It says she was put away privily which could mean ANYTHING.


New Living Translation: Matthew 1:18-19.

18 This is how Jesus the Messiah was born. His mother, Mary, was engaged to be married to Joseph. But before the marriage took place, while she was still a virgin, she became pregnant through the power of the Holy Spirit.

19 Joseph, her fiancé, was a good man and did not want to disgrace her publicly, so he decided to break the engagement quietly.

Both of those were found on BibleGateway.com

Heres my Bible verse for that which I am more apt to go with, my pastor said it's one of the best Bibles there is, well my old pastor. Here ya go:

Now heres my New Living Translation: Matthew 1:18-20.

18 Now this is how Jesus the Messiah was born. His mother, Mary, was engaged to be married to Joseph. But while she was still a virgin, she became pregnant by the Holy Spirit.

19 Joseph, her fiance', being a just man, decided to break the engagement quietly, so as not to disgrace her publicly.

20 As he considered this, he fell asleep, and an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream. "Joseph, son of David," the angel said, "do not be afraid to go ahead with your marriage to Mary. For the child within her has been conceived by the Holy Spirit.

I decided to add 20 on there cause it gets a better idea of what happend...there was no stoning in this as you see and as you can see it never said anything bad about premarital sex.

I imagine you've never heard the following: "For the non-believer, this life is the best it gets. For the Believer, this life is the worst it gets." I hope you remember that.

I have never heard of that saying and I disagree with it. Life is never good either way around, no matter if your a believer or an unbeliever. No one is a good person and no one gets the best. Others may have it better than others, but it will never be the best.

[elaboratedream]

I apologize for not meeting your standards for entertainment.

it's quite alright. I'll forgive you this time.

I imagine you've never heard the following: "For the non-believer, this life is the best it gets. For the Believer, this life is the worst it gets." I hope you remember that.

This life is ALL you get.
I almost feel sorry for you. You live your entire life waiting for something that will never happen.

[sweetangel2128]

I almost feel sorry for you. You live your entire life waiting for something that will never happen.

You know what I find funny? I TOTALLY AGREE

[AngelinaTaylor]

I imagine you've never heard the following: "For the non-believer, this life is the best it gets. For the Believer, this life is the worst it gets." I hope you remember that.

Are you trying to scare people? Because that's lame. Ask yourself, is it your brain that makes you believe in a god or your fear?

You need your old man in the sky to reassure yourself and other people that you're important; that your lives count for something and when something bad happens, you can call out to someone and expect an answer. Pathetic.

[*Duchess of Dork*]

I am going to say this once, then I'm going to start verbally warning if it continues -

it's quite alright. I'll forgive you this time.
This life is ALL you get.
I almost feel sorry for you. You live your entire life waiting for something that will never happen.

You know what I find funny? I TOTALLY AGREE

Are you trying to scare people? Because that's lame. Ask yourself, is it your brain that makes you believe in a god or your fear?

You need your old man in the sky to reassure yourself and other people that you're important; that your lives count for something and when something bad happens, you can call out to someone and expect an answer. Pathetic.

These types of responses have no place in the debate forum. Let me refresh your memories:

Here are the general forum rules that you must follow before you start any debate topics. Please make sure you've read and followed all directions.
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Please don't double post.
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All debate topics must be kept at a certain maturity level.
Please remember, not everyone thinks like you. People have their ways of thinking and perspectives. Let's respect each other's thoughts and responses.
Be nice.
NEW! Polls are not allowed in debate forum. It's because debate aren't voting on sides. Debates are giving evidence to prove your own points. If everybody vote, there there'll be no point to debate.

From: Debate forum rules, please read
It's bad enough that there isn't a whole lot going on in the Debate Forum, but conversations/responses such as these will absolutely kill the Debate some people are actually trying to have.

Think before you post and ONLY post here if you have something legitimate to say in regards to the Debate.

[sweetangel2128]

I am going to say this once, then I'm going to start verbally warning if it continues -
These types of responses have no place in the debate forum. Let me refresh your memories:

From: Debate forum rules, please read
It's bad enough that there isn't a whole lot going on in the Debate Forum, but conversations/responses such as these will absolutely kill the Debate some people are actually trying to have.

Think before you post and ONLY post here if you have something legitimate to say in regards to the Debate.

First of all, I have no clue why you put my name in there since I never said anything bad about someone. I agreed on something. I didn't agree that I feel sorry for him/her but that in this life it's all you get.

[silly ol' man]

Your insolence amazes me. Be a good newbie now and shut up.

You're so clueless.