Draft or Prison? Options

[Viggen]

Forgot one more option: Relocate to Canada.

[Yemmerz]

you cant do that anymore. it's illegal.

[ComradeRed]

It was always illegal...

But if you're in another country, it's kind of hard to catch you.

[sadolakced acid]

if draft everyone, i will go. it they leave out the girls, i will not.

and you say sexism is gone. when i turn 18, i have to go to the post office for my draft number. girls don't.

and don't ive me that about girls not being able to fight.
not all in the army is fighting.

[juliar]

I'm a woman. I wouldnt be drafted.
But if I were male, I'd choose prison. Call me a coward, I'm not going to die for my country, I'm going to ride it out in jail.

[CrimsonArchangel]

Being a girl, I really don't think I have a say here, and also given the fact that I most likely will go to the military after college so....
But guys... why prison? How about trying to be a little civil and talk it out, find other ways you can help the war effort or what not. If none of that works then go for the jail idea .

[DavidxN]

lol you'd actually choose prison over the draft? thats messed up, you live on US soil and u cant even protect it? i'd choose the draft, one of my plans is to become a navy seal but it sucks how they don't let girls become navy seals

[strice]

i refuse the draft because i want nothing to do with an unjust war for oil.

[CrimsonArchangel]

it sucks how they don't let girls become navy seals

HaHa. Yeah, I would like that. We would get to blow things up, haha. J/K. It would be interesting.
(GI Jane anyone?)

[Yemmerz]

and you say sexism is gone. when i turn 18, i have to go to the post office for my draft number. girls don't.

Of course sexism is still here. I think they should send convicts into drafts. Don't take innocent people, the ones who follow the law [most of the time..], pay our taxes. It should be the criminals who have disobeyed the law. They get to chill at jail while good men are dying at war...

[*kryogenix*]

Of course sexism is still here. I think they should send convicts into drafts. Don't take innocent people, the ones who follow the law [most of the time..], pay our taxes. It should be the criminals who have disobeyed the law. They get to chill at jail while good men are dying at war...

then again, prisoners aren't obeying laws, so they wouldn't be the most reliable soldiers.

[hybrid]

then again, prisoners aren't obeying laws, so they wouldn't be the most reliable soldiers.

That point is true.

Prison seems to be a better choice for me. I'm not much of a gun person or anything.. but hey at least in Prison you have a toilet.

[sadolakced acid]

why prision?

i like in the US. there is very little likelyhood that saddam would have attacked us. i'm more worried about north korea. but, Mr. Bush is withdrawing troops from the border guard there.

talk about priorities.

i will not fight, unless the enemy is on US soil. i will not fight, unless the enemy is attacking americans in america. i will not fight for faulty reasons, faked clames of WMDs, or just because.

i will fight if it is to save american lives.

there is no reason americans should be dieing everyday in iraq. 6 or 7 a day. every day. and why were we there? our el presidente can't tell us. i will not fight for that.

[JlIaTMK]

yea id definetly go to prison.... i wouldnt be able to take ppls lives into my hands.... and if i have to take my own life for it then i would.... and if i get drafted to ever fight against my own home country then i would go insane and kill all the ppl that tried to draft me

and i feel sorry for any american person thats drafted that has family in that country that they're fighting against.... that would be just brutal

[bigpoppaproppy]

drafted for iraq? id tell the president where he could stick his draft notice and id move to Scotland

a REAL cause: id go, prolly as a medic sinec im already a certified EMT

[ComradeRed]

I'd go, organize a revolt, and overthrow the government, and kill Bush and his family. Just like the Russians did to Czar Nicholas II.

Every major wartime incident of drafting in a Western Nation during the 20th century, the only exceptions being Britain and America in the world wars, has led to either (a) Losing the war miserably, or (b) the Government being overthrown.

[EmeraldKnight]

I'd go, organize a revolt, and overthrow the government, and kill Bush and his family. Just like the Russians did to Czar Nicholas II.

You go do that....

Every major wartime incident of drafting in a Western Nation during the 20th century, the only exceptions being Britain and America in the world wars, has led to either (a) Losing the war miserably, or (b) the Government being overthrown.

Yes, except the US.. it didnt happen during the last draft, you believe it'll happen if another occurs?

[ComradeRed]

1) During Vietnam, most soldiers were volunteers. Even so, the draft severly weakened the war effort. It turned college students as well as many Republicans, normally pro-war, into strongly anti-war. The draft weakened the Democratic Party (Johnson started the draft) politically so much that Nixon was able to win in a landslide in 1972, winning every state but Massachusetts. Nixon's first action was to end the draft.

Our government wasn't overthrown, but the ruling party at the time (The Democrats) sure were.

If Bush were stupid enough to reinstate the draft between now and November, Kerry would win pretty much every state in the country, just like Nixon did in 1972.

Moreover, it is a military fact that the draft will harm a modern army, not help it. This is why Donald Rumsfeld and the Department of Defense STRONGLY oppose the draft. A draft would cause serious morale and logistical problems, and would create simply a mass of unmotivated soldiers. A drafted army would stand no chance against even a weak volunteer force in this day and age. America lost the Vietnam War in large part due to the fact that drafted soldiers did not want to be there. There were incidences of drafted soldiers shooting their own officers, faking injuries, etc. The massive discipline and morale problems, coupled with the sheer logistical difficulty of maintaining a large army in foreign territory with gurellias, meant that the Vietnam War was totally unwinnable.

Modern war means small battles using high-tech forces. It is the wrong strategy altogether to rush in a bunch of conscripts. We would quickly lose military supremacy, and with it, political infleunce.

Furthermore, remember that a draft will only cause more violence: EVERY time the United States has drafted people during a war, there have been riots and hundreds of civilians have died.

[EmeraldKnight]

If Bush were stupid enough to reinstate the draft between now and November, Kerry would win pretty much every state in the country, just like Nixon did in 1972.

But what if he does so after the election if he is (and I realli hope not..) reelected?

Moreover, it is a military fact that the draft will harm a modern army, not help it. This is why Donald Rumsfeld and the Department of Defense STRONGLY oppose the draft. A draft would cause serious morale and logistical problems, and would create simply a mass of unmotivated soldiers. A drafted army would stand no chance against even a weak volunteer force in this day and age. America lost the Vietnam War in large part due to the fact that drafted soldiers did not want to be there. There were incidences of drafted soldiers shooting their own officers, faking injuries, etc. The massive discipline and morale problems, coupled with the sheer logistical difficulty of maintaining a large army in foreign territory with gurellias, meant that the Vietnam War was totally unwinnable.

Modern war means small battles using high-tech forces. It is the wrong strategy altogether to rush in a bunch of conscripts. We would quickly lose military supremacy, and with it, political infleunce.

I totally agree with you on the modern warfare part, hi tech forces would require a lot of training.. training that drafted personnel would either be reluctant to go through, or would have trouble learning

Furthermore, remember that a draft will only cause more violence: EVERY time the United States has drafted people during a war, there have been riots and hundreds of civilians have died.

Exactly.. hm.. so if there were a draft, I would expect you to be at the head of the riot?

[ComradeRed]

But what if he does so after the election if he is (and I realli hope not..) reelected?


I totally agree with you on the modern warfare part, hi tech forces would require a lot of training.. training that drafted personnel would either be reluctant to go through, or would have trouble learning


Exactly.. hm.. so if there were a draft, I would expect you to be at the head of the riot?

a) Bush isn't going to win anyway, for reasons that I will be glad to explain later but not now. Moreover, Kerry supports the draft, even more than Bush does.

b) I would be at the head of the Resistance. Rioting will only get you so far.

[EmeraldKnight]

a) Bush isn't going to win anyway, for reasons that I will be glad to explain later but not now. Moreover, Kerry supports the draft, even more than Bush does.

He does? ... *sigh* no comment..

b) I would be at the head of the Resistance. Rioting will only get you so far.

Haha the Resistance? and what might that be?

[ComradeRed]

Kerry supports "Mandatory National Service" -- basically a draft, only not called a draft.

The Resistance would be a shadowy underground group dedicated to overthrowing the current Communist Occupation Government (COG) and restoring the principles of 1776.

[EmeraldKnight]

Bleh.. neither political candidate seems favorable.. who are you supporting Minda?

The Resistance would be a shadowy underground group dedicated to overthrowing the current Communist Occupation Government (COG) and restoring the principles of 1776.

COG??? where does that come in?

[ComradeRed]

I support John Kerry, BECAUSE the Republicans will control Congress an the Supreme Court. Kerry's hands will be tied. Whereas Bush's hands will not be tied. I perfer a madman with little power to a madman with absolute power.

Besides, even if Bush were better, I would still vote against Bush, because he broke ALL OF HIS CAMPAIGN PROMISES THAT HE MADE IN 2000. Let's see. I supported Bush in 2000 because he promised these things:

- A more restrained and humble foreign policy
- A balanced budget
- Less government spending
- A strong line against affirmative action
- Repealing Clinton-era civil rights violations, especially by scaling down the ATF

Instead, Bush has:

- Invaded Iraq
- Created the biggest deficit ever
- Raised social spending more than any other president in US History, including FDR
- Done nothing to eliminate affirmative action, and in fact supported it to get the Hispanic vote
- Passed the PATRIOT ACT

Bush has proven himself to be an untrustworthy sleaze. I supported him in 2000, I am following an "Anyone But Bush" policy in 2004.

But if I could choose among third parties, I would vote Michael Badnarik.

The COG comes in after Roosevelt passed Proclamation 2040 on March 9, 1933, exactly two weeks before Hitler passed his version of Proclamation 2040. This act declared the Constitution suspended and conferred dictatorial powers to the President. This marks the end of the Federal Republic of the United States of America, Federalism, Rule of Law, etc., and the beginning of the Communist Occupation Government.

[EmeraldKnight]

Wow.. a lot of info there...

The COG comes in after Roosevelt passed Proclamation 2040 on March 9, 1933, exactly two weeks before Hitler passed his version of Proclamation 2040. This act declared the Constitution suspended and conferred dictatorial powers to the President. This marks the end of the Federal Republic of the United States of America, Federalism, Rule of Law, etc., and the beginning of the Communist Occupation Government.

What the heck? the COG actually exists?