Physical Education, Should they ban it? Options

[Spirited Away]

they have levels for math, so in fact people do get higher grades in math because theyre worse at it, it just doesnt mean as much. if you cant do it, then you can take classes where youre on your own level, and are graded in accordance. its much easier to get As in college prep classes then higher level ones, so theres a difference.

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Doesn't that kind of tied into what I said about coaches understanding the physical limitations of their students?

but what if something could be substituted? participate in a school sport, and it counts as your PE credit. i do marching band, and thats debatably a sport, so why shouldnt that count as having taken part in PE? of course, there would have to be plenty of specifications and limitations, but its an idea

I think school sport, band (maybe), and/or cheerleading should be allowed to substitute for PE. I'm talking about PE being required for the rest of the school population.

[smile4me]

There are so many people who loves to blame their failings on others. Tell me, how does one fails PE?

If you cannot, just answer my question as to HOW a student can fail PE.

When they don't change. when they dont participate in the 9 weeks of swimming. when they refuse to do anything. when the teachers think they are not participating. when they fail the PE final. [/edit] when they don't show up to class at all.
there are people who fail PE. i know a few myself.

As I've said before, why would colleges care wether or not you've taken PE? It's a course that teaches you somethings you can NEVER learn in books. What do you do in college? You read more books.

they don't care whether or not you've taken PE. they look at ur GPA. and what exactly does PE teach you? physical endurance? that's what sports teams are for. thats why there are sports that don't cut. one might say that it teaches you how to swim. fair enough. but what about those who already know how to swim? (that's why i say we should test out of swimming..but that's another topic..)

[*tweeak*]

we dont have a pool at my school, so thats not an issue. besides which, id rather swim than run anyday

[Spirited Away]

When they don't change. when they dont participate in the 9 weeks of swimming. when they refuse to do anything. when the teachers think they are not participating. when they fail the PE final. [/edit] when they don't show up to class at all.

When students don't change and refuse to do anything, that equals a lack of participatin. I would fail anyone who don't participate. It works the SAME WAY in EVERY class: you don't participate, you lose points.

It's the lazy students' fault, thus it's their own "failings" not the class itself.

there are people who fail PE. i know a few myself.

Why do they fail? Because they're too freaking lazy to change into a swim suit? Or maybe they don't want to do 25 jumping jacks for warm up? That defeats the purpose of the class. So, really, most people fail PE because they're lazy.

they don't care whether or not you've taken PE. they look at ur GPA. and what exactly does PE teach you? physical endurance? that's what sports teams are for. thats why there are sports that don't cut. one might say that it teaches you how to swim. fair enough. but what about those who already know how to swim? (that's why i say we should test out of swimming..but that's another topic..)

Do YOU participate in a school sport? Do MOST kids participate in school sports? NO. Then why are you telling me something that only applies to a FEW number of students compared to the rest of the school's LAZY population? I guess next you'll try to tell me that you can learn good sportsmanship from reading books, too.

Yea, dude, read my previous post about school sports, cheerleading, and maybe band should be counted as PE credit. However, not everyone in school do any of the mentioned activities.

Colleges DO NOT CARE FOR YOUR HEALTH. I've already established that many posts back. And my point is that they don't care, does that mean that you shouldn't do it? If you all REALLY cared about what colleges think, then all of you must have pretty damn good grades in the first place and PE is the only thing that weighs you down. But if your grades are average, then don't tell me that you care THAT MUCH about what colleges think.

And are all of you telling me that PE credit can make your GPA bad? Hello? It's one of the most BASIC classes anyone can take.

[smile4me]

When students don't change and refuse to do anything, that equals a lack of participatin. I would fail anyone who don't participate. It works the SAME WAY in EVERY class: you don't participate, you lose points.

It's the lazy students' fault, thus it's their own "failings" not the class itself.

Why do they fail? Because they're too freaking lazy to change into a swim suit? Or maybe they don't want to do 25 jumping jacks for warm up? That defeats the purpose of the class. So, really, most people fail PE because they're lazy.

no where in my reply did i say who's fault it was for the student's failure in the class. you asked how a student could fail, and i simply gave a response.
no need to get so worked up about who is to blame.

Colleges DO NOT CARE FOR YOUR HEALTH. I've already established that many posts back. And my point is that they don't care, does that mean that you shouldn't do it?

i never said colleges cared for people's health. i never said a person shouldn't do it.
i said that it should be optional.

If you all REALLY cared about what colleges think, then all of you must have pretty damn good grades in the first place and PE is the only thing that weighs you down. But if your grades are average, then don't tell me that you care THAT MUCH about what colleges think.

are you saying that if someone's grades are worse than "pretty damn good", they shouldn't care as much about what colleges think as the students with higher grades?
shouldn't they care more?

And are all of you telling me that PE credit can make your GPA bad? Hello? It's one of the most BASIC classes anyone can take.

umm...i thought i already said this. but yes. PE can make my GPA bad.
i dunno about your school, but our school has weighted courses with credits up to 5.0
by junior year, all classes can be weighted. the only thing that would be weighing the GPA down would be PE (highest: 4.0), b/c there is no such thing as a weighted PE.
i don't see how "basic" has to do with anything.
if by basic you mean easy, then yes, it is easy. which is STILL why it can lower one's GPA.

Do YOU participate in a school sport? Do MOST kids participate in school sports? NO. Then why are you telling me something that only applies to a FEW number of students compared to the rest of the school's LAZY population? I guess next you'll try to tell me that you can learn good sportsmanship from reading books, too.

i never said that physical endurance could be learned through books...
actually, i never said what you learned through PE could be learned through books.
the reason why i'm telling you something that only applies to a few number of students is because it is still something that has to be considered when deciding one's point of view.

...and by the way, i do participate in a school sport.

[Spirited Away]

no where in my reply did i say who's fault it was for the student's failure in the class. you asked how a student could fail, and i simply gave a response.
no need to get so worked up about who is to blame.
i never said colleges cared for people's health. i never said a person shouldn't do it.

I ask how students could fail and I gave you a generic answer: that they're lazy. That's how people fail. I wrap up your response in one simple word: laziness.

No one is getting worked up. I capitalize words that I want to emphasize if that's what's making you think I'm getting worked up for.

A person shouldn't participate in PE? Why? Because it give them a bad grade because they're too lazy?

i said that it should be optional.
are you saying that if someone's grades are worse than "pretty damn good", they shouldn't care as much about what colleges think as the students with higher grades?
shouldn't they care more?

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Read my post again and try to analyze the intent.

Simply put, I'm saying that those who says that PE pulls their grades down are just making lame excuses.

If you really care about getting into a good college, then that means your grades are already "pretty damn good". You try hard all your high school career and PE is the only thing that is giving you a problem. Then what do you do? You talk to your coach. Have you tried doing that?

And if your coach turns out to be an ass about it, then that is what I meant by improve PE by hiring competent coaches.

No, I'm trying to say that if students have less than good grades, then PE isn't the only problem here is it? That's what I mean by lame excuses. If they're grades are not good, that means they have a problem in other courses, NOT PE. Why blame bad grades on PE? It's ONE class. I've been to several schools as I lived in two states and more than 7 different cities. I know how the grading system works and I know that one class cannot be THAT detrimental to your GPA.

umm...i thought i already said this. but yes. PE can make my GPA bad.
i dunno about your school, but our school has weighted courses with credits up to 5.0
by junior year, all classes can be weighted. the only thing that would be weighing the GPA down would be PE (highest: 4.0), b/c there is no such thing as a weighted PE.
i don't see how "basic" has to do with anything.
if by basic you mean easy, then yes, it is easy. which is STILL why it can lower one's GPA.

Basic has to do with everything. In basic classes, you get easy A's if you pay attention and try to learn the material. Basic classes, in general, are not in depth and do not require as much effort as something like English or Math. PE is basic.

If it's basic and easy, and it still lowers GPA, what does that say? That a student obviously isn't even trying enough. After all, he/she is failing a BASIC class.

i never said that physical endurance could be learned through books...
actually, i never said what you learned through PE could be learned through books.
the reason why i'm telling you something that only applies to a few number of students is because it is still something that has to be considered when deciding one's point of view.

...and by the way, i do participate in a school sport.

First of all, good for you. Second, I already made the point that those who participates in school sports/cheerleading/band(maybe) are few compared to the rest of the school's population... I don't know if you understand what that means... but to me, that means there are A LOT more kids not doing some physical activity in school.

I DID NOT say that you said PE can be learned by books. Please stop saying that I said that you said something (I'm sorry for generalizing you, but a lot of people keeps on saying that I said they said something when I didn't and it is bothersome). I said I guess that you'll try to tell me that good sportsmanship can be learned by reading. That means, from where this conversation is going, you guys are thinking that PE isn't important. However, as I have said before, there are somethings that you cannot learn from reading books, but it seems that you all don't think sportsmanship is as important enough learn.

And that's... a shame.

[runforfun529]

I know this debate is old but just putting my two cents in:

it should definitally not be banned. I dont' think that you should have to take too much of it. I like how our school does it. You have to take it freshmen year, and after that you have to take at least one more class. But these classes are fun ones like tennis, golf, etc.

[*tweeak*]

i couldnt take it freshmen year, and now i have to take it either senior year (with a bunch of freshmen) or over the summer online (or summer school, but i refuse). its not fair. if they cant work it into my schedule, i should be able to wave it.

[lilteardrop]

though it takes up a class, you should take PE cuz it gives you exercise. not many students exercise after school.

[xsweetxcandyx]

we should keep it.... we don't want the future to be all fat and unhealthy

[*tweeak*]

we should keep it.... we don't want the future to be all fat and unhealthy

but a semester of phys ed isnt going to save you from a lifetime of obesity

[darkphyre]

but a semester of phys ed isnt going to save you from a lifetime of obesity

It certainly could. Some people discover that they really like a certain sport/activity while doing PE, and this encourages them to continue with it. Thus, they will be more active and less likely to be obese.

[BEBEx_iNFAM0USS]

well, its not that hard to pass. if you just put effort into the class, it should not be the hardest thing in the world. yea, i think it should be required. or perhaps, SOME form of P.E. should be required, like dance, where you warm up and do physical activities. basically, it is healthy and a good way to move around during a day of classes.

[sm0kinm0nky]

yeah keep it....gets everyone in fit.

[can0_reo]

Definitely keep it! That's probably the only time kids get excersize anyway. It's amazing to me how HighSchool PE is makin us write all the time. They should make us Run more! and push-ups and sit-ups! Nowadayz everyone wants to get fit and look thin. But they don't want to do any of the work. You know celeberties work out like crazy to get their body. Also it's a good way to learn how to work-out when we get older. If they ban it, everyone will regret it in the future.

Because teens have such busy lives, who want to waste our free time to excersize? I wouldn't want to. I'd rather go to the movies or hang out. But If we get a class during school of P.E. It gives us an hour to work-out and stay healthy.

[*Zyryll*]

to my opinion. PE is useless... plain and simple...

[Spirited Away]

i couldnt take it freshmen year, and now i have to take it either senior year (with a bunch of freshmen) or over the summer online (or summer school, but i refuse). its not fair. if they cant work it into my schedule, i should be able to wave it.

In college, there are MANY seniors who must take basic classes, like Psychology for example, with freshmen because they decided to hold it off or they didn't know about it until their last semester. It's definately nothing new in the college scene. Since it happens that you all care so much for what colleges think or do, I thought you guys would already know that.

I sat with freshmen, sophomores, juniors and seniors alike in my Ethics class when I was a sophomore. Again, it's nothing new or to be ashamed about.

but a semester of phys ed isnt going to save you from a lifetime of obesity

No, but it gives you a foundation of being health/sports/team spirit oriented if it is taught right.

to my opinion. PE is useless... plain and simple...

That's nice..... but note that this is a debate. Thanks.

[*tweeak*]

In college, there are MANY seniors who must take basic classes, like Psychology for example, with freshmen because they decided to hold it off or they didn't know about it until their last semester. It's definately nothing new in the college scene. Since it happens that you all care so much for what colleges think or do, I thought you guys would already know that.

I sat with freshmen, sophomores, juniors and seniors alike in my Ethics class when I was a sophomore. Again, it's nothing new or to be ashamed about.

no, i have nothing wrong with being in a classroom with freshmen, however for PE, it would be better to be with people of your own grade because theyre going to be a bit more physically similar. disrguarding that, because im not sure how accurate it is, actually, but if youre a senior, and you run a good deal slower than a lot of freshmen, it is fairly embarassing. there are enough social pressures in high school without having that embarassment forced on you

i only kept relating to colleges because is that not what high school is for? to educate us so we can get into a good college to get a good job and have a good life? sure seems to be. school should be a place of academics, not physical activity. thats what extracurriculars are for. and if kids dont exersize and take care of themselves out of school, so be it.

[Spirited Away]

no, i have nothing wrong with being in a classroom with freshmen, however for PE, it would be better to be with people of your own grade because theyre going to be a bit more physically similar. disrguarding that, because im not sure how accurate it is, actually, but if youre a senior, and you run a good deal slower than a lot of freshmen, it is fairly embarassing. there are enough social pressures in high school without having that embarassment forced on you

Really? Then what's the point of Senior varsity if they run slower than Junior varsity. And what's the point of Senior and Junior vasity when the younins can run/play the game better?

So no, I don't think you can do any worst as a senior than as a freshman.

i only kept relating to colleges because is that not what high school is for? to educate us so we can get into a good college to get a good job and have a good life? sure seems to be. school should be a place of academics, not physical activity. thats what extracurriculars are for. and if kids dont exersize and take care of themselves out of school, so be it.

So you think that high school is only good for preparing you for college?

If school is not a place for physcial activity, then why have school sports at all? Colleges have sports and PE. Before the year 2000, PE was a required course that the university of houston. I'm sure there are a some colleges that requires PE.

[can0_reo]

and if kids dont exersize and take care of themselves out of school, so be it.

Are you kidding me. Kids don't know how to think for themselves. - Until they grow-up, fat and unhealthy. So be it then, when the obesity gene is passed down to future generation, so they work twice as hard to stay healthy and live a longer life. So be it, when they sue Mc Donalds till they no longer serve Fries or supersize, or buy a "SmallMac" for 5 bucks. Who suffers then? All of us...

America has the FATTEST ppl of the WORLD. Gezzz. Do you know why? Because Other countries, kids work hard ever since they were young. They pull cargo, help out their families, play soccer, run, and also because they can't find a lot of food. We however, sit infront of the tv hours at a time, slobber up butter-melted popcorn, eat huge bags of lemon-hot cheetos. Another reason - we have no time to excercise, thus PE will help us develope better ways and give us time.

[azn_r4pf4n]

We however, sit infront of the tv hours at a time, slobber up butter-melted popcorn, eat huge bags of lemon-hot cheetos. Another reason - we have no time to excercise, thus PE will help us develope better ways and give us time.

Yep.. thats true.

[sunissed14127]

I think it should be required. I'm kinda overweight, and I'm doing phys. ed, and its really helping with my weight. it also helps with strength.

[nevernothere]

Required I think...so you don't have to take a meaningful class.. waste some time AND get fit at the same time! At my school varsity athletes are exempt and it doesnt count on GPA (nice system)

[sammehmyst]

Required, some people need to burn off the calories from their froot loops.

[ComradeRed]

Too bad cereal doesn't have that many calories to begin with...