Does bush suck? Options

[*kryogenix*]

what great things has he done?

he's pursued the terrorists in their homeland. he's fixing the recession that former president Bill Clinton left us in. he's liberated Iraq from an evil dicatator.

Yeah, WMDs are scary things. But he didnt say "hey, we're gonna invade cause they might have em, is that cool?". he said "they have em, we have proof, we're goin in". Saddam was allowing UN troops to search where ever the hell they wanted. That lasted for a couple months, the UN concluded he didn't have WMDs, Bush went against it. Saddam was very cooperative, the only uncooperative thing he did was not turn himself over to Bush.

I think Bush's multiple counts of drunk driving = Clintons affair. They'd be even in my eyes...if Bush didnt further lie about WMDs and start a faux war.

no, if you remember, there was a time when saddam kicked out inspectors. in that time period, plants could have been cleaned and weapons could have been removed.

the difference between the drunk driving and clinton's affair was that the dwi wasn't during Bush's presidency. He didn't lie about it either. Clinton got into an affair during his presidency and he lied about it UNDER OATH. so clinton's affair > bush's dwi.

well, i'd sooner trust a pervert than an alcoholic.

Bush wasn't an alchoholic.

[WildGriffin]

Saddam was the one who boasted that he has WMD.

Kim Jong boasts about them too, you don't see us whooping his ass.

[WildGriffin]

he's pursued the terrorists in their homeland. he's fixing the recession that former president Bill Clinton left us in. he's liberated Iraq from an evil dicatator.

He never did catch the one terrorist that anyone gave a sh!t about. He put us into the recession, Clinton was one of the best financial presidents ever. he didn't liberate anyone, so the Iraqs say.

the difference between the drunk driving and clinton's affair was that the dwi wasn't during Bush's presidency. He didn't lie about it either. Clinton got into an affair during his presidency and he lied about it UNDER OATH. so clinton's affair > bush's dwi.

Bush's dwi(s). Bush's lieing about WMDs and leading a nation to a finacially crippling war is a greater evil then Clinton's lieing about a blowjob.

[Spirited Away]

Kim Jong boasts about them too, you don't see us whooping his ass.

Because when the whole problem reached its heights, Clinton gave them money to shut them up.

Bush wasn't in power then.

And even if they still do boasts about them, what can we do now that we're already at war? Do you really want us to divide our forces?

What would war with Korea achieve anyway?

They haven't given any real justifiable reason for us to fight them.

of course he sucks. i hat ebush i hate bush. today is ss my teach was tryin to relate china's cultural revolution to something in america. he said maybe we would follow the president.
the whole class boooed and i said that i would never follow that [bastard] meaney!! the whole class totalley agreed!!

[WildGriffin]

And even if they still do boasts about them, what can we do now that we're already at war? Do you really want us to divide our forces?

We succesfully divided our forces between Iraq and Afghanistan, why not do it again with North Korea? I'm not in support of invading N.Korea though.

What would war with Korea achieve anyway?

The same thing that war with Iraq is achieveing, one less nut in the world and no more fear of WMDs that may or may not exist. No oil though :(

They haven't given any real justifiable reason for us to fight them.

The reasons they're showing are the same as Iraqs. It's all about Bush's hidden agendas.

[Spirited Away]

He never did catch the one terrorist that anyone gave a sh!t about. He put us into the recession, Clinton was one of the best financial presidents ever. he didn't liberate anyone, so the Iraqs say.


Bush's dwi(s). Bush's lieing about WMDs and leading a nation to a finacially crippling war is a greater evil then Clinton's lieing about a blowjob.

YOu make this sound soooo incredibly easy, as if anyone can do it.

The FBI is doing the investigation and troops are the one hunting him down, what does it has anything to do with Bush except that he's the driving force behind it.

I agree that Clinton was very good in dealing with money, but I felt that he wasn't all that great with dealing with threats.

Um, by the way, it wasn't only a blowjob... Haha, you understate the whole situation here. The Presidential office will never be the same because of Clinton. He changed how people, foreign nations view America.

War, other Presidents have declared wars, I don' t see you making a big deal out of them. The problem with money for this war is only a concern because of the deficit problem, which wasn't all Bush's doings. Otherwise, wars are supposed to cost money!

[Spirited Away]

We succesfully divided our forces between Iraq and Afghanistan, why not do it again with North Korea? I'm not in support of invading N.Korea though.

Britain lost America because she divided her forces up while fighting with the settlers. History has proven that a great force a power, once divided, will do not much good.

The same thing that war with Iraq is achieveing, one less nut in the world and no more fear of WMDs that may or may not exist. No oil though :(

Not really the same thing. We deal more with Iraq because Saddam seemed to be supporting terrorists by monetary means. But you're right! No oil!

Edit:: Ah! I double posted again! So, so sorry!!!

[WildGriffin]

The FBI is doing the investigation and troops are the one hunting him down, what does it has anything to do with Bush except that he's the driving force behind it.

Bush being the driving force is exactly his role in this whole mess. Bush would rather spend more time and energy fighting in Iraq for reasons unknown then search for terrorists. Bush is trying, but he isn't trying his hardest.

Britain lost America because she divided her forces up while fighting with the settlers. History has proven that a great force a power, once divided, will do not much good.

The British lost because America had a strong enough passion against them to defeat them. The Iraq people are on the same path, they really don't enjoy us being there. When rival factions join up to fight what they think is a greater evil, there's a definent problem. And the British people were losing intrest in America, they really didn't give a sh!t about some rebelling settlement. Americans are losing intrest in the Iraq war as well.

Um, by the way, it wasn't only a blowjob... Haha, you understate the whole situation here. The Presidential office will never be the same because of Clinton. He changed how people, foreign nations view America.

Clinton also had some of the best foreign relations, foreign relations that Bush is destroying.

War, other Presidents have declared wars, I don' t see you making a big deal out of them.

I find it hard to make a big deal of something that isn't currently happening or ever happened during my life time. I strongly oppose the vietnam war though. Instead of "WMDs", it was "Spooky Communism".

Edit:: Ah! I double posted again! So, so sorry!!! 

Nothing wrong with double posting in a debate forum. we all forget to add stuff.

[*kryogenix*]

He never did catch the one terrorist that anyone gave a sh!t about. He put us into the recession, Clinton was one of the best financial presidents ever. he didn't liberate anyone, so the Iraqs say.

here's one:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/sout...indon.marriott/

face it. the recession started at the end of clinton's final term. listen to financial radio. Clinton ignored the Tyco's. He ignored the Enron's. He ignored the WorldCom's. The Arthur Andersen's. He turned the other way when businesses were cheating.

Bush's dwi(s). Bush's lieing about WMDs and leading a nation to a finacially crippling war is a greater evil then Clinton's lieing about a blowjob.

you can't prove he lied.

[Spirited Away]

Bush being the driving force is exactly his role in this whole mess. Bush would rather spend more time and energy fighting in Iraq for reasons unknown then search for terrorists. Bush is trying, but he isn't trying his hardest.

I don't think he can try any harder if he wanted to... if he do anymore, it might upset the polls that he's currently winning.

The British lost because America had a strong enough passion against them to defeat them.

Heh, gotta hand it to Americans... But anyway, I believe the strong spirit of freedom is only a part of it. Britain was the world power, if they wanted to crush our 13 colonies, they could've done so.

The Iraq people are on the same path, they really don't enjoy us being there. When rival factions join up to fight what they think is a greater evil, there's a definent problem.

Well, to tell you the truth... before the beheading incident, I sort of wished that now that Saddam's out of the picture, we shouldn't have such a heavy concentration of US troops in Iraq... but now that it happened, it only makes me feel glad that we're still there. They may feel that US is a greater evil, but I feel that they're the ones hiding the greater evil.

And the British people were losing intrest in America, they really didn't give a sh!t about some rebelling settlement.

Really, I thought they were still so interested in that gold, and tax money.

Clinton also had some of the best foreign relations, foreign relations that Bush is destroying.

I don't doubt the wonders Clinton did, but I still do not approve how he dealt with threats.

I strongly oppose the vietnam war though. Instead of "WMDs", it was "Spooky Communism".

It was an attempt to contain communism.. too bad it didn't work (a very personal, and biased opinion)

Nothing wrong with double posting in a debate forum.

I hope not. I see new stuff posted and i get eager to write more.

[DIRTYdirt]

YES!!!, he sucks.. isn't it weird that when he cam to office all these wars started?... 9/11, iraq, sadam.. When Bush dad, who use to be president too, was in power, he made a lot of enemnies. Now that his son is in power they are taking revenge. The only way we could help this is vote him out of office and vote a democrat in !... so everybody go vote, if you can,

[WildGriffin]

here's one:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/sout...indon.marriott/

when i was refering to the "one terrorist that anyone gives a sh!t about", i thought i obviously meant Osama. You go up to an average joe schmo on the street and ask which terroist they care about getting, they'd say Osama.

Clinton ignored the Tyco's. He ignored the Enron's. He ignored the WorldCom's. The Arthur Andersen's. He turned the other way when businesses were cheating.

Ya know, Republicans are notoriously known for supporting big buisness and look the other way when they do something wrong. Also, most of Bushs tax programs favored these big buisnesses and the rich.

you can't prove he lied.

You can't prove he didn't.
See, that kind of argument gets noone anywhere. People apply that same argument to "you can't prove God exists" and..others.

[WildGriffin]

Really, I thought they were still so interested in that gold, and tax money.

I meant the average British person. It's the same with the average American and how he/she doesn't give a crap about oil.

[Spirited Away]

I meant the average British person. It's the same with the average American and how he/she doesn't give a crap about oil.

Hey Hey! I give a crap!

I don't want to pay $100 per gallon.

[WildGriffin]

*edit: control of oil. i dont care who controls it as long as we get a reasonable price...which is dictated by OPEC anyways.

[strice]

i just think its funny that the americans condemn the guerilla tactics employed by the iraqis while the revolutionary americans did the same against another opressive, imperialistic power.

[juliar]

You can't prove he didn't.
See, that kind of argument gets noone anywhere. People apply that same argument to "you can't prove God exists" and..others.

Well, isn't there an innocent until proven guilty thing? He didn't do anything, can't prove he lied.

YES!!!, he sucks.. isn't it weird that when he cam to office all these wars started?... 9/11, iraq, sadam.. When Bush dad, who use to be president too, was in power, he made a lot of enemnies. Now that his son is in power they are taking revenge. The only way we could help this is vote him out of office and vote a democrat in !... so everybody go vote, if you can,

Well, he has fallen unluckily into this time. He was elected, wrong time. I really doubt he would have started a whole new war 4 years from then. The conflict between Afghanistan and Iraq and America would PROBABLY be over, and he wouldn't have to do all of this, therefore not having a bad rep, and he would be able to care more for the things that concern national problems instead of international.
Sorry if that didn't make any sense.

[WildGriffin]

i just think its funny that the americans condemn the guerilla tactics employed by the iraqis while the revolutionary americans did the same against another opressive, imperialistic power.

When the chips are down, people resort to stuff. This usually happens when an aggressor goes on someone else's home turf. vietnam, the french resistence, iraq, and countless others.

[strice]

he wasn't elected.

[*kryogenix*]

when i was refering to the "one terrorist that anyone gives a sh!t about", i thought i obviously meant Osama. You go up to an average joe schmo on the street and ask which terroist they care about getting, they'd say Osama.

ah, i must have missed the word "the." sorry.

Bush hasn't caught Osama, but neither did Bill Clinton. And you're not complaining about him right?

Ya know, Republicans are notoriously known for supporting big buisness and look the other way when they do something wrong. Also, most of Bushs tax programs favored these big buisnesses and the rich.

but he's not letting them cheat. i don't think Republicans are notorious for that. it's just a liberal ploy to hurt the conservative image.

You can't prove he didn't.
See, that kind of argument gets noone anywhere. People apply that same argument to "you can't prove God exists" and..others.

he didn't lie about it. i'm sorry, i meant to add more. but i had to leave so i was going to continue the thought later. really all you can say is the the weapons haven't been found yet. the question is not whether or not there where weapons, the question is where are the weapons. in Syria? sold on the black market?

[T00000]

Well, isn't there an innocent until proven guilty thing? He didn't do anything, can't prove he lied.

Alright then, if that's the rule that applies, maybe he shouldn't have invaded Iraq claiming that they had weapons of mass destruction, while there was NO proof!!!! Right honey? Innocent until proven guilty? Yes let's not get hypocritical now...

[WildGriffin]

Bush hasn't caught Osama, but neither did Bill Clinton. And you're not complaining about him right?

Osama didn't kill 3000 Americans when Clinton was in office and the warnings concerning him weren't at such a frenzy as they were a month before 9/11

really all you can say is the the weapons haven't been found yet. the question is not whether or not there where weapons, the question is where are the weapons. in Syria? sold on the black market?

We arn't in Syria or where ever the black market thrives, we're still in Iraq fighting and were lead there believeing we'd find WMDs.

*heads up for tboltzbabe, she may be new but i've seen her open a couple cans of whoop ass and nay-say.

[juliar]

Alright then, if that's the rule that applies, maybe he shouldn't have invaded Iraq claiming that they had weapons of mass destruction, while there was NO proof!!!!   Right honey?  Innocent until proven guilty?  Yes let's not get hypocritical now...

Oh man. Got me there.
You're right, WildGriffin.

[onenonly101]

hey, what has he done for the poor people?

ugh don't even get me started with that one