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 May 15 2004, 09:32 PM
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 teach me korean... i'm serious  Group: Member Posts: 918 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 8,427  |
yes!... people who have committed murder should be executed. I'm saying this because i don't know anyone who actually had been executed... but there is also a right to plee that you're inisint by saying that you were mentally ill.. or somehting... and had brain damage... so you wouldn't act like a normal perosn... ppl have actually gotten away from murders like that... civilized is an opinion
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May 16 2004, 02:43 AM
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As I say, there are flaws to every system, and they are inevitable. I mean, why stop the death penalty which sentences a million (not really, but still you get the point) guilty criminals to death simply because there's a few who are innocent or get away? It's impossible to stop all. We can only try our best. I know I sound cruel, but that's just how it is. I don't like the fact that there are innocent people that get killed, but hey...
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May 16 2004, 06:36 PM
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 Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
QUOTE(NaTiMaRiE @ May 12 2004, 9:15 PM) What do you all think? Should there be a death penalty? Why or why not? I'm undecided. I don't think it's wrong morally and I believe that death is sometimes a just punishment, but I do think it's stupid, as it isn't a proven deterrent and costs more. |
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| *Kathleen* |
May 16 2004, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE as it isn't a proven deterrent and costs more. Who says we have to kill the people in the same way as we do now? Perhaps find some...cheaper way of doing so...  Haha.
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May 16 2004, 07:47 PM
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Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
QUOTE(Kathleen @ May 16 2004, 7:20 PM) Who says we have to kill the people in the same way as we do now? Perhaps find some...cheaper way of doing so... Haha.I like burying personally  (inside joke)
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May 17 2004, 02:29 AM
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 rookie Group: Member Posts: 723 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 2,291 |
I know it's only a movie, but "The Life of David Gale" shows exactly how the justice system could fail. Like, what if the supposed "murderer" was innocent?
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May 17 2004, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE I know it's only a movie, but "The Life of David Gale" shows exactly how the justice system could fail. Like, what if the supposed "murderer" was innocent? QUOTE As I say, there are flaws to every system, and they are inevitable. I mean, why stop the death penalty which sentences a million (not really, but still you get the point) guilty criminals to death simply because there's a few who are innocent or get away? It's impossible to stop all. We can only try our best. I know I sound cruel, but that's just how it is. I don't like the fact that there are innocent people that get killed, but hey...
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May 17 2004, 08:55 PM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 364 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,316 |
well, i guess that the death penalty not only lowers the risk for more murder, but saves the prison money on food, bedding, clothing, etc. there arent that many good things about it though.
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May 17 2004, 11:02 PM
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 Wow it's been a long time!! Group: Member Posts: 1,672 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 8,954 |
i dont understand how those of you who are against abortion are for the death penalty... i believe the american justice system can make mistakes. like, those accused who aren't wealthy enough to buy their own lawyer gets one appointed by the court... there have been many cases where court appointed lawyers have been found to not bring up all the facts, because they didn't care. i mean nowadays it's pretty easy to convict the right person, but there have been cases... also, i don't think they should be killed for what they did. the government should try to work with the criminals.
i dont understand how anyone who is "pro life" can be for the death penalty... |
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May 17 2004, 11:28 PM
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 Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
I don't see anything wrong with being pro life and pro death penalty at the same time. After all, they're two different things.
One is to kill an innocent, the other is to kill someone who's most likely committed an awful crime. I'm pro choice, but I disagree on topics that would contradict my stand on pro choice. But that's normal because you're entitled to hold more than one opinion on different subjects. It's not set in stone that once you've declared your stand in one direction, you can't go to the other. |
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| *Kathleen* |
May 18 2004, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE I don't see anything wrong with being pro life and pro death penalty at the same time. After all, they're two different things. See, this is what I was just going to say. It's different because the majority of these people are guilty, heartless criminals who have committed a crime of at least murder. On the other hand, the baby is completely innocent. Also, I think this is the third time I said this...I really need to get a statistic: As I say, there are flaws to every system, and they are inevitable. I mean, why stop the death penalty which sentences a million (not really, but still you get the point) guilty criminals to death simply because there's a few who are innocent or get away? It's impossible to stop all. We can only try our best. I know I sound cruel, but that's just how it is. I don't like the fact that there are innocent people that get killed, but hey...
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May 18 2004, 03:22 PM
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rookie Group: Member Posts: 723 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 2,291 |
I think it's worse to convict an innocent person rather than acquit a guilty one, because in the prior one, the justice system itself is commiting a crime. How the hell would you feel if you were innocent and get convicted of murder? Are you really going to think "oh well, I don't like the fact that some innocent people like me are getting the death penalty, but I know the law is trying it's best so I guess I'll hop off to the gas chamber"?
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| *Kathleen* |
May 18 2004, 03:30 PM
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There's not many people that are innocent that get convicted for murder. There are many ways in today's modern world to target the real criminal. Besides, if he or she is innocent, there are things such as appeals. It's quite hard to be proven guilty when you're innocent nowadays. If you're innocent, you'll find a way to prove such.
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May 18 2004, 03:46 PM
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Wow it's been a long time!! Group: Member Posts: 1,672 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 8,954 |
QUOTE(Kathleen @ May 18 2004, 3:30 PM) There's not many people that are innocent that get convicted for murder. There are many ways in today's modern world to target the real criminal. Besides, if he or she is innocent, there are things such as appeals. It's quite hard to be proven guilty when you're innocent nowadays. If you're innocent, you'll find a way to prove such. this isn't always true. if you don't have an alibi, it turns to be your word against someone else's. in lots of cases there's no way you can prove yourself innocent. and i agree with tkproduce. it just seems wrong that the government is willing to risk the lives of a few (a tiny number, but still a number) of innocent people just to be able to get rid of some criminals. i mean it is wrong for us to act like we're god and kill already living people, guilty or not, but to add to the fact that they also risk killing innocent people to do so, it's wrong. |
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| *Kathleen* |
May 18 2004, 03:56 PM
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Yes, but it's not like they don't try as best as they can. Like I said, it's saving future victims of the accused as well. Heh I suppose this leads back to my other thread of good and evil...it balances out.
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May 18 2004, 04:03 PM
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rookie Group: Member Posts: 723 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 2,291 |
QUOTE(Kathleen @ May 18 2004, 8:56 PM) Yes, but it's not like they don't try as best as they can. Like I said, it's saving future victims of the accused as well. Heh I suppose this leads back to my other thread of good and evil...it balances out. So you're saying that somehow, killing a lot of guilty convicts are going to conpensate for the few innocent ones that get killed? How many dead guilty convicts per dead innocent one do we need for things to "balance" out? 50? 100? 200? I really don't understand your "balancing" argument. |
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May 18 2004, 04:09 PM
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No...I'm saying that when those convicts get out (which they often do, if you would've read more into this topic) and murder some more people, by killing the murderer from the start, none of those future victims would be killed.
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May 18 2004, 04:44 PM
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Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
QUOTE(TBoltzbabe @ May 18 2004, 3:46 PM) this isn't always true. if you don't have an alibi, it turns to be your word against someone else's. in lots of cases there's no way you can prove yourself innocent. and i agree with tkproduce. it just seems wrong that the government is willing to risk the lives of a few (a tiny number, but still a number) of innocent people just to be able to get rid of some criminals. i mean it is wrong for us to act like we're god and kill already living people, guilty or not, but to add to the fact that they also risk killing innocent people to do so, it's wrong. ... In America's fine justice system, you NEVER have to PROVE that you're innocent. It's up to the prosecutor to prove that you're guilty. It's called burden of proof. If the jury can't decide whether someone is innocent or guilty, that person is LET FREE, because he has a presumption of innocence. If that person is PROBABLY guilty, but you aren't sure, then he is INNOCENT. A guilty person must be convicted guitly beyond all reasonable doubt in America. At least in the old America. |
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May 18 2004, 04:47 PM
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 3,565, you n00bs ain't got nothin' on me. Group: Official Member Posts: 3,761 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,565 |
QUOTE A guilty person must be convicted guitly beyond all reasonable doubt in America What about being wrongly convicted? Yeah, they may say they have the evidence and whatnot. But alot of innocent people are being put to the death penalty. |
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May 18 2004, 05:07 PM
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Yeah, I think he wanted to clarify the difference between "not guilty" and "innocent" people. But as I was saying before...this is the same argument over and over again. Here, Julia, read the last few posts by me and tk as well as tbolztbabe.
 This is my 3,800th post! 
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May 18 2004, 05:10 PM
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Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
QUOTE(juliar @ May 18 2004, 4:47 PM) What about being wrongly convicted? Yeah, they may say they have the evidence and whatnot. But alot of innocent people are being put to the death penalty. Sure that happens. It's not a perfect system. But, IN THEORY, our system errs on the side of caution. When in doubt, we release. |
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May 18 2004, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE Sure that happens. It's not a perfect system. EXACTLY what I've been trying to say. Heh. No one understands me, or they ignore my posts. Haha. |
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May 18 2004, 06:14 PM
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Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
QUOTE(Kathleen @ May 18 2004, 5:30 PM) EXACTLY what I've been trying to say. Heh. No one understands me, or they ignore my posts. Haha. None of the judges in real life do either .
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May 18 2004, 08:59 PM
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Thanks, Minda. You're so kind.
You'll see...once you and Dan are gone...I'll own...the total of...five people that are still in debate...
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May 18 2004, 09:47 PM
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 Mr.Politicly Incorrect Group: Member Posts: 579 Joined: Sep 2005 Member No: 8,405 |
I am very for the death penalty...i actually think we she us it for more crimes...and none of this appeal shit....they get the death penalty fry them, hang them, poison them, and in some states shoot them(montana) in singapore the punishment for drunk driving is death...i think we should do that here....did you now Drunk driving is the leading cuz of death between the ages of 15-44...after that its heart disease....i know this because i just got home from my 5 Hour pre lisencing course....but i think that if we cracked down harder then people with get the message...
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