God Options

[waccoon]

im sure ive been through more then u have n i know there IS a God....oh wait u have no science proof....ur going on ur FAITH...is this not exactly what u tel me makes ME a bad debater?! yet U do the same...u have faith He doesnt exist...i have faith that He DOES....the differance is my faith leads me down the rite path...uts doesnt

AGAIN AND AGAIN YOU KEEP TRYING TO TURN OUR WORDS ON US.
WHERE IS YOUR NON BIBLICAL PROOF? WE HAVE OUR THEORIES, YOU HAVE YOUR BLIND FAITH. BOOHOO. YOU CANT DEBATE FOR CRAP.

im fed up with you, princess.

[abberdabber]

Alrighty

God is all powerful in the sense that He knows whats going on, He cant, however, make decisions FOR us, otherwise there wouldnt be true love.

* and NO, im not saying that all people that dont read the bible are immoral, I'm saying that IF you dont read your word, You're not feeding your spirit. Your spirit is what guides you to make right and wrong decisions, most people would call it a conscience, but once you're saved, the Holy Spirit lives inside of you and guides you through situations. . but anyways, Your Spirit- man * HOLY SPIRIT * Is your connection between you and GOD< you rely on that to keep you going, other than praying and listening to His word preached in sermons and whatnot. But in the Bible it says if you are not for me, you are certainly against me. .. therefore, if you are not working for GOD, you arent doing what he wants for your life, and you arent practicing His teachings. .. and you ARENT reading your word. I dont know what part of the Bible you're reading, but its not all stories, its a compass, a map for your life, Not all parts of it talk about what happened to so-and-so.. like proverbs for example, throughout the entire book, it gives you instruction.. tells you how, as a christian, to act. . In fact one part says,

Proverbs 17:14 ".. Starting a quarrel is like breaching a dam, so drop the matter before a dispute breaks out.." and proverbs 17: 19 ".. He who loves a quarrel loves sin;.. "

I mean , its just a book of knowledge, for how GOD wants you to live your life.
You have a choice to be a believer or not, you can look at the facts, measure out the consequences, and come to your own conclusion about GOD..

[Spirited Away]

God is all powerful in the sense that He knows whats going on, He cant, however, make decisions FOR us, otherwise there wouldnt be true love.

Is God all powerful in the sense of giving miracles?

Your spirit is what guides you to make right and wrong decisions, most people would call it a concience,

I call it morality.

the Holy Spirit lives inside of you and guides you through situations. .

What of people who do not believe in God? The Holy Spirit doesn't reside in them, does that mean they're immoral then? I'm confused.

But in the Bible it says if you are not for me, you are certainly against me. .. therefore, if you are not working for GOD, you arent doing what he wants for your life, and you arent practicing His teachings. .. and you ARENT reading your word.

Wow. So everything is black and white, no shades of gray in between? No exceptions? And you said that someone else was closed minded?

Does God believe in exceptions, I wonder? All the good that non-believers do is in vain, and yet non-believers will continue to do good. I wonder why? What strives non-believers, do you know?

There isn't a Holy Spirit in them to guide non-believers to the right decisions, so that means GOOD non-believers are virtuous people in essence. Will God turn away virtuous people even though they do not believe?

I dont know what part of the Bible you're reading, but its not all stories, its a compass, a map for your life,

You mean David and Goliath (a simple example) isn't a story? My Christian friend gave me copies of some things to read when I was in junior high. I found them highly entertaining and that it teaches lessons of virtues, which is a good thing. But like I said, it's not anything I don't already know.

And what of those who do not read the Bible? Are you saying that they do not have their lives mapped out? Or maybe that they're lost? It doesn't seem like that's the case with me or any other agnostics I know in real life.

But I understand that not everyone think the same way.

Not all parts of it talk about what happened to so-and-so.. like proverbs for example, throughout the entire book, it gives you instruction.. tells you how, as a christian, to act. . In fact one part says,

Proverbs 17:14 ".. Starting a quarrel is like breaching a dam, so drop the matter before a dispute breaks out.."  and proverbs 17: 19 ".. He who loves a quarrel loves sin;.. "

Yes, there are many great proverbs and teachings from the Bible, I will not argue against that. But other religions teaches those same lessons as well. There's nothing from the Bible that I can't get from other religions, or from learning the lesson myself in real life.

I mean , its just a book of knowledge, for how GOD wants you to live your life.
You have a choice to be a believer or not, you can look at the facts, measure out the consequences, and come to your own conclusion about GOD..

Consequently, I do not have anything against God. He seems like a pretty cool guy. But I do not think that the Bible or the Church should have that kind of influence on the people. That's just an opinion.

OH. PRINCESS. I didn't mean that you try to hard, even though you're getting there. I mean that I get enough from people knocking on my door every other week trying to sell me their religious beliefs.

[stryker76]

AGAIN AND AGAIN YOU KEEP TRYING TO TURN OUR WORDS ON US.
WHERE IS YOUR NON BIBLICAL PROOF? WE HAVE OUR THEORIES, YOU HAVE YOUR BLIND FAITH. BOOHOO. YOU CANT DEBATE FOR CRAP.

im fed up with you, princess.

people that have faith...i feel are some what ignorant in the fact that they need to kno that someone else is out there beside our self....you may not know it but its more like a subconsicence thing. Now for those like me...that dont believe in god...its not faith in not believing in him....its the conclusion we have choosen to be tru. we see the world around us, we see the science that contridicts everything the bible says and we feel that there is no super powerful being that created us.....its not faith......its thought.....its a value we have just like you have religion as a value. So yes i do agree with Waccoon. you are tryin to use our words against us....although a lil incorrectly....but you have been

[princess2113]

the reason ppl dunt like Christians has absolutly NOTHING to do with the fact that missionaries "pressure ppl" b/c they dunt....the reston most dunt like us is b/c the ones who r confident enough to share their faith usually know enough abt it and arent afraid to talk abt it...and it makes u feel inferior...thats y ppl dunt like us...b/c sumewhere in the back of ur brains a lot u know that at least some of what we say must be true....y else do so many ppl believe? i mean its a pretty big number of ppl to have believing if we r wrong....which we arent

[easilyxamusedx]

you guys will get proof. soon enough, you just wait.

[Spirited Away]

the reason ppl dunt like Christians has absolutly NOTHING to do with the fact that missionaries "pressure ppl" b/c they dunt....

HAHAHAHHAH, so were you there when they knocked down my door and when I refused them they come back for the next 10+ days to tell me of God's Paradise?

the reston most dunt like us is b/c the ones who r confident enough to share their faith usually know enough abt it and arent afraid to talk abt it..

So confident that when I ask the lady the same questions I have asked you and other people on here, she had to "get back to me" or say that "God is wonderful". Great. I'm sure her confidence is matchless. (sarcasm). The next days she brought her 50+ year old mother with her and answered my questions as they came prepared. Anyway, I asked them more questions, and they wanted to "get back to me" another day. Lovely people they were.

I appreciated the fact that they took time to share their faiths with others, that's fine... but I find that they are trying too hard (which isn't necessary a bad thing either).

.and it makes u feel inferior...

Never have I felt inferior to anyone since I have found confidence in my beliefs. I was once confuse about what to believe in, but that time is gone. Sorry to burst your bubbles.

thats y ppl dunt like us...

PLEASE PLEASE, do me a favor and STOP generalizing. Haven't I said that I don't dislike you or Christians? I only find that the ones who try to hard annoying, that is all.

Haven't you thought that people don't like you because you don't like them? It's clear that you do not approve of Allah or Yaweh, why should people of other faiths approve of God? I mean, there are other things aside from your narrow scope.

b/c sumewhere in the back of ur brains a lot u know that at least some of what we say must be true....

And somewhere in the back of your brain, you know that some of what we, non-believers, say must be true. That's why you all try so hard to make us "understand" God's love and existence.

y else do so many ppl believe?

There are just as many non-believers, genius.

i mean its a pretty big number of ppl to have believing if we r wrong....which we arent

Rights and Wrongs are non-existent when you talk about 'faiths'. A Muslim or a Jew, can easily prove you wrong if they're one of strong faith.

[princess2113]

hum everything but the 1st line has been covered sumewhere in the last 57 pages so i wont answer again...1st of all...it prolly wasnt Christians at ur door if they kept coming back....it was prolly Mormans who CONSIDER themselves Christian, but add onto the Bible...they r usually the ones knowcking on doors, and usually more "cult-like"....if it WAS a Christian knocking they prolly dunno much abt their faith or sumething abt u made them think they had a chance at helping u

[Spirited Away]

hum everything but the 1st line has been covered sumewhere in the last 57 pages so i wont answer again.

Which first line?

...1st of all...it prolly wasnt Christians at ur door if they kept coming back.... it was prolly Mormans who CONSIDER themselves Christian

I'm offended for those people. Just because they couldn't answer my questions make them Mormons or fake Christians in your eyes. That's really condescending. I don't think God intended you to be so prideful in your faith.

I thought they were annoying, sure, but they had courage, something to learn from, NOT to mock.

but add onto the Bible...they r usually the ones knowcking on doors, and usually more "cult-like"....if it WAS a Christian knocking they prolly dunno much abt their faith or sumething abt u made them think they had a chance at helping u

Like I said, I'm offended for them. That was ultra condescending, princess.

People will lose a debate every now and then. It's not their fault that God hasn't graced them with the answers to those questions.

I asked them questions, and asked them not to quote the Bible for me. Which was a great feat to them it seemed, because I had a feeling that they sorely wanted to. They gave me good answers, just not good enough for me to change my mind. No biggie, I've been told I'm stubborn.

But in a way, I respected them, princess, they had character. Please do not insult them by saying that they are not true Christians.

[Kitsune_black666]

Well, where to begin? I don't believe in God, but I do believe in something else watching out over us...I honestly don't know why. (smacks self on head) science is at least MOSTLY provable, so there is a basis in fact. But God? NO BASIS! Those who wrote the Bible of Karan or whatever were probably HIGH for all we know!

[Spirited Away]

Well, where to begin? I don't believe in God, but I do believe in something else watching out over us...I honestly don't know why. (smacks self on head) science is at least MOSTLY provable, so there is a basis in fact. But God? NO BASIS!

That's fine that you 'don't know'. It's a big world, full of possibilties out there. There needn't be ONE right and wrong.

[IIO__oII]

lets find out through scientific research!
cause that's what people are doing right now.

if god created darkness and moistue, who created god

God was JUST THERE frm the beginning.. i knoe its hard to understand that.. our little puny minds cant comprehend that... [example:there is NO end to life..?? wtf is that supposed to mean??? ack!!! ] God's dimension is a wholee new level for us.. once we get there, we'll understand SOME of it...

I'm offended for those people. Just because they couldn't answer my questions make them Mormons or fake Christians in your eyes. That's really condescending. I don't think God intended you to be so prideful in your faith.

I thought they were annoying, sure, but they had courage, something to learn from, NOT to mock.

yup.. i feel that christian ppl have taken advantage of God's forgiveness system and isnt doing their jobs rite. =[ all the jehovah's witnesses and mormans go out for like 2 years and go door to door trying to spread their gospel... its really awesome of them to go out and take their time to do that... i have respect for em. =]
i wish christians could be more like em.

[princess2113]

yeah they gotta go out for i think at least 1 yr b4 they get like their religious adulthood....we callin Confirmation in our donomination...but those ppl think they r Christian n i dunt think so...i mean its between them and God but they add stuff...like the book of mormons....add likes parts to the Bible...which um ur not supposed to do....but jehova witness ppl in german will come n try to give u their newspapers with like advice they say they get frum God...they kinda twist the Truth

[abberdabber]

I jacked up the quotation boxes .. so bare with me.. the *** are what she said.

**Is God all powerful in the sense of giving miracles?**

Mark 6:38-44

"How many loaves do you have?" he asked "Go and see" When they found out, they said, "Five loaves and two fish."
Then Jesus directed them to have all the people sit down in groups on the green grass.  So they sat down in groups of hundreds and fifties. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, He gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then He gave them to his disciples to set before the people. He also divided the two fish among them all. They all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces of bread and fish. The number of men who had eaten was five thousand.. "

   you tell me.



***What of people who do not believe in God? The Holy Spirit doesn't reside in them, does that mean they're immoral then? I'm confused.
Wow. So everything is black and white, no shades of gray in between? No exceptions? And you said that someone else was closed minded?
Does God believe in exceptions, I wonder? All the good that non-believers do is in vain, and yet non-believers will continue to do good. I wonder why? What strives non-believers, do you know?
There isn't a Holy Spirit in them to guide non-believers  to the right decisions, so that means GOOD non-believers are virtuous people in essence. Will God turn away virtuous people even though they do not believe?  ***

Mark 7:20-23

".. What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean'. For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, jewdness, envy, slander, arrogance, and folly. All these eveils come from inside and make a man 'unclean'..." 

If that comes from all men, EVERYONE sins, if everyone sins, then no matter how 'Virtuous' you are, without forgiveness, you will go to hell.

***You mean David and Goliath (a simple example) isn't a story? My Christian friend gave me copies of some things to read when I was in junior high. I found them highly entertaining and that it teaches lessons of virtues, which is a good thing. But like I said, it's not anything I don't already know.***

When in that whole paragraph did I say that the bible DOESNT have stories in it? I said that the Bible isnt simply a storybook. The Bible is, however, a book made for instruction.

***And what of those who do not read the Bible? Are you saying that they do not have their lives mapped out? Or maybe that they're lost? It doesn't seem like that's the case with me or any other agnostics I know in real life.
But I understand that not everyone think the same way. ***

Thats the difference between the followers and the NON-believers, Everyone in this world lives their life as if they have to achieve personal satisfaction.. its a ME world, everyone trying to succeed. Whereas in the christian perspective, you give your life over to Christ. You let God lead your way, and let Him use you to glorify His name. Yes the people that try to lead their own lives are walkin in the dark, its basically luck of the draw. They don't know if what they're getting themselves into will end up good or bad, whereas with Christ, you're always in safe hands.



***Yes, there are many great proverbs and teachings from the Bible, I will not argue against that. But other religions teaches those same lessons as well. There's nothing from the Bible that I can't get from other religions, or from learning the lesson myself in real life. ***

The difference between Our religion and all of the others is that our GOD is living. Jesus Christ Rose from the dead, and will come back to save us. 

Matthew 17: 22
"... When they came together in Galilee, he said to them, 'The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men. They will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised to life.'... "

You mock us as christians now, but when the wrath of Heaven rains down, It's not going to be us you have to face. You will have to look GOD in the eyes and explain your actions.. 

Revelation 7:15-17

"... 'They are before the throne of GOd and serve him night and day in His temple; and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent ove rthem. Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst. The sun will not beat upon them, nor any scorching heat. For the lamb at hte center of the throne  will be their shephard'he will lead them to springs of living water. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.' .. "


gosh dangit, i messed up the whole quote thing. oh well the *** are what she said.

[IIO__oII]

You mean David and Goliath (a simple example) isn't a story? My Christian friend gave me copies of some things to read when I was in junior high. I found them highly entertaining and that it teaches lessons of virtues, which is a good thing. But like I said, it's not anything I don't already know.

And what of those who do not read the Bible? Are you saying that they do not have their lives mapped out? Or maybe that they're lost? It doesn't seem like that's the case with me or any other agnostics I know in real life.

hmm but wut christians wouldnt read the bible?

you guys will get proof. soon enough, you just wait. 

YESYES I CANNOT WAIT TILL THAT DAYYY! =D

[waccoon]

i think i might close this soon, as this has no point in it. it's a cycle = fae impresses me yet again, princess captures the last drop of pity i have in my body.

[IIO__oII]

i think i might close this soon, as this has no point in it. it's a cycle = fae impresses me yet again, princess captures the last drop of pity i have in my body.

well.. just b/c u dont like the topic doesnt mean u have to be closing it.. it might not be going aniwhere, but i and sum other ppl like to hear about wut others say...
OR wut we can do is close this cause its getting wayy tso long and make up aNOTHER topic about God... =]
OR... make up a folder saying GOD and have different topics about God.. heh
JUST some suggestions.

[*CEP*]

well.. just b/c u dont like the topic doesnt mean u have to be closing it.. it might not be going aniwhere, but i and sum other ppl like to hear about wut others say...
OR wut we can do is close this cause its getting wayy tso long and make up aNOTHER topic about God... =]
OR... make up a folder saying GOD and have different topics about God.. heh
JUST some suggestions.

Okay, let's close this and make another topic about God.
The folder idea is stupid, IMO. If you want topics about God, go to a christian board.

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- Chinkieeyedpnoi