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post Jun 9 2004, 09:30 PM
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isnt that wut this whole world is about aniwais?? working, working, and working until u become satisfied? earn lots of money, get a good job, marry a good wife/husband, make lots of children, retire early.....
but nothing can satisfy in this world. =/
thats y we have God
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No, you maybe, but not for everyone. I believe there are exceptions, people can be satisfied. It's rare, but 'it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist'. What does God has to do with satisfaction?

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u alwayz sound like u know God is real, u just dont like Him...just b/c u dunt like something doesnt mean that it doesnt exist


Do you know why I write "God" with a capital "G" and I capitalized all the "H's" when using 'him/he' as pronouns? Not because I agree with what any of you has to say about God, but because I believe there's a connection between your God and my Creator and that connection also extends to Allah and Yaweh... etc. But that's the ONLY connection.

I don't know if your God is real, but I know that I am a creation, therefore Someone or Something created me, and It's my Creator. I capitalize out of respect.

PRINCESS... one last time, you could use your own advice sometimes. You said that just because I don't like something doesn't mean that it exists? Well, just because you don't like science, doesn't mean that it can't explain Creation.

Before you "just because" me, you better have a look at your arguement first.
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 9 2004, 9:30 PM)
No, you maybe, but not for everyone. I believe there are exceptions, people can be satisfied. It's rare, but 'it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist'. What does God has to do with satisfaction?



Do you know why I write "God" with a capital "G" and I capitalized all the "H's" when using 'him/he' as pronouns? Not because I agree with what any of you has to say about God, but because I believe there's a connection between your God and my Creator and that connection also extends to Allah and Yaweh... etc. But that's the ONLY connection.

I don't know if your God is real, but I know that I am a creation, therefore Someone or Something created me, and It's my Creator. I capitalize out of respect.

PRINCESS... one last time, you could use your own advice sometimes. You said that just because I don't like something doesn't mean that it exists? Well, just because you don't like science, doesn't mean that it can't explain Creation.

Before you "just because" me, you better have a look at your arguement first.

Hmmm... interesting point you made there. If you don't believe in "our" God, to put it in your own words, then who do you think created you? But you do believe in the existance of a higher being that rules the universe (thus preventing total chaos. *No one said that chaos was bad, haha, but we don't want planets crashing on to each other*).
Lets see if I don't stick my foot in my mouth trying to say this. Sorry in advance if I do.
You belive you are a creation, thus, there was something or someone that created you, right? But how can you prove it? How can you prove you were created and did not come from a monkey like evolutionists believe? Maybe you'll say that you believe it because you see yourself, but I go back again to the point you made about someone creating you. How do you know it was someone? That's pretty much how we believe in God. Faith. And we see the things the Creator has done all around us.
*Are you by any chance Native American? Haha. That's what the Natives believe. Not exactly in a God, but a Creator. Their stories are pretty interesting*.
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 10:22 PM
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QUOTE(CrimsonArchangel @ Jun 9 2004, 9:52 PM)
Hmmm... interesting point you made there. If you don't believe in "our" God, to put it in your own words, then who do you think created you? But you do believe in the existance of a higher being that rules the universe (thus preventing total chaos. *No one said that chaos was bad, haha, but we don't want planets crashing on to each other*).
Lets see if I don't stick my foot in my mouth trying to say this. Sorry in advance if I do.
You belive you are a creation, thus, there was something or someone that created you, right? But how can you prove it? How can you prove you were created and did not come from a monkey like evolutionists believe? Maybe you'll say that you believe it because you see yourself, but I go back again to the point you made about someone creating you. How do you know it was someone? That's pretty much how we believe in God. Faith. And we see the things the Creator has done all around us.
*Are you by any chance Native American? Haha. That's what the Natives believe. Not exactly in a God, but a Creator. Their stories are pretty interesting*.

LOL, no I'm not Native American, I'm Vietnamese with a little French blood, but that doesn't really matter in my beliefs.

What I believe in isn't a religion, because there's no need for worshipping nor reading a Holy book, it's only a concept, a concept of being created by a Someone or a Something.

Ah, but I firmly believe in Creation as well as Evolution only because there isn't a valid proof for either one of them.

To explain why/how I know that it was Someone/Something creating me, you have to understand that I take the word 'creation' for its literal definition. What I mean is that, if we're not a creation, then what are we?

If we are a creation then Who created us?

That's how I come to conclude that there is a Creator, He/She/It doesn't necessarily has to be the Christian God, the Muslim's Allah, or the Jew's Yaweh. He/She/It could be an alien for all I know.

So you see, it's not a religion, but more of a concept/idea.

No biggie.
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 10:34 PM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 9 2004, 10:22 PM)
LOL, no I'm not Native American, I'm Vietnamese with a little French blood, but that doesn't really matter in my beliefs.

What I believe in isn't a religion, because there's no need for worshipping nor reading a Holy book, it's only a concept, a concept of being created by a Someone or a Something.

Ah, but I firmly believe in Creation as well as Evolution only because there isn't a valid proof for either one of them.

To explain why/how I know that it was Someone/Something creating me, you have to understand that I take the word 'creation' for its literal definition. What I mean is that, if we're not a creation, then what are we?

If we are a creation then Who created us?

That's how I come to conclude that there is a Creator, He/She/It doesn't necessarily has to be the Christian God, the Muslim's Allah, or the Jew's Yaweh. He/She/It could be an alien for all I know.

So you see, it's not a religion, but more of a concept/idea.

No biggie.

Ah, fair enough.
So, I guess you're not going to budge on the whole God and religion thing? Fair enough, fair enough. To each his own. You are entitled to your beliefs and I to mine.
That was a nice little discussion, now wasn't it? haha.
If you still have any more questions or comments and what not, I left a comment on your xanga site, or just leave a comment here. happy.gif
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 10:34 PM
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omgosh. 56 pages. anyways. i believe there's a god. (God, our savior, not those idols). there would be no purpose of life if there was no life after death
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 10:44 PM
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QUOTE(CrimsonArchangel @ Jun 9 2004, 10:34 PM)
Ah, fair enough.
So, I guess you're not going to budge on the whole God and religion thing? Fair enough, fair enough. To each his own. You are entitled to your beliefs and I to mine.
That was a nice little discussion, now wasn't it? haha.
If you still have any more questions or comments and what not, I left a comment on your xanga site, or just leave a comment here. happy.gif

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I'm thankful that you're not pushing this on me.

It's true, you found me out, I'm not budging one bit.

But I've said it before and I'll say it again: I do respect some Christians and people of other faiths for their undying love for what they believe in, because it takes a lot of courage to believe in something you cannot see.

But what I believe in isn't written in stone, I'm open for new ideas if and only those ideas are well-founded.
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 10:54 PM
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QUOTE(Yemmerz @ Jun 9 2004, 8:05 PM)
oh yes with this infinative prayer. it doesn't matter if you pray 10000 times a day or just once. we all still have a EQUAL connection with God.

Yes, we do.
It's just how we use it.
 
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post Jun 10 2004, 01:40 PM
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But I've said it before and I'll say it again: I do respect some Christians and people of other faiths for their undying love for what they believe in, because it takes a lot of courage to believe in something you cannot see.

But what I believe in isn't written in stone, I'm open for new ideas if and only those ideas are well-founded.

its takes faith.
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our whole belief is built by faith...
wow
 
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post Jun 10 2004, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE(IIO__oII @ Jun 10 2004, 1:40 PM)
its takes faith.
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our whole belief is built by faith...
wow

I said I only respect some Christians. Others try too hard.
 
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post Jun 10 2004, 01:59 PM
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Try to hard to be what?
 
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post Jun 10 2004, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 10 2004, 1:59 PM)
Try to hard to be what?

not to be anything... but try to hard to make others understand.
 
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post Jun 10 2004, 03:35 PM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 9 2004, 10:44 PM)
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I'm thankful that you're not pushing this on me.

It's true, you found me out, I'm not budging one bit.

But I've said it before and I'll say it again: I do respect some Christians and people of other faiths for their undying love for what they believe in, because it takes a lot of courage to believe in something you cannot see.

But what I believe in isn't written in stone, I'm open for new ideas if and only those ideas are well-founded.

You are very welcome. biggrin.gif
I don't push it on anyone because it has happened to me. People have tried to shove religion down my throat before, so I try not to do it on others.
I'll come back later today! Have to go to my music lessons.
 
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post Jun 10 2004, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 9 2004, 9:30 PM)
No, you maybe, but not for everyone. I believe there are exceptions, people can be satisfied. It's rare, but 'it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist'. What does God has to do with satisfaction?



Do you know why I write "God" with a capital "G" and I capitalized all the "H's" when using 'him/he' as pronouns? Not because I agree with what any of you has to say about God, but because I believe there's a connection between your God and my Creator and that connection also extends to Allah and Yaweh... etc. But that's the ONLY connection.

I don't know if your God is real, but I know that I am a creation, therefore Someone or Something created me, and It's my Creator. I capitalize out of respect.

PRINCESS... one last time, you could use your own advice sometimes. You said that just because I don't like something doesn't mean that it exists? Well, just because you don't like science, doesn't mean that it can't explain Creation.

Before you "just because" me, you better have a look at your arguement first.

since when did i say i dunt believe science. i made it clear that i believe that both theories r possible and they can go together.....God may have created through the science. theres nothing in the Bible against that...and im not trying to push u to nething
 
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post Jun 10 2004, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 10 2004, 2:45 PM)
not to be anything... but try to hard to make others understand.

Couldn't agree more. If there is something that bothers me like crazy are pushovers.
And Fae, (continuing my train of thought from last post, happy.gif ), I don't push anyone because I truly believe it is up to the person to chose whom to believe and in what to believe. Of course, I would love to bring people to church and have them believe in God, but it is not up to me. It is that person's sole decision. God did give us free will, so again, it is up to the person.
 
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post Jun 11 2004, 02:15 PM
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if we got here through an explosion, which came frum bacteria on the rocks, and the bacteria grows in a dark, wet place....who created the darkness and who created the moisture? the bacteria cant just form in the rock...
 
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QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jun 11 2004, 2:15 PM)
if we got here through an explosion, which came frum bacteria on the rocks, and the bacteria grows in a dark, wet place....who created the darkness and who created the moisture? the bacteria cant just form in the rock...

lets find out through scientific research!
cause that's what people are doing right now.

if god created darkness and moistue, who created god?
 
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post Jun 11 2004, 02:51 PM
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For all of you Christians out there trying to argue GOD's existance, i want to tell you that when you're talking to people that dont want to hear the truth, they're going to doubt no matter what. Once they've had a touch from GOD, they will know, there's no doubting, at least for me, GOD's existance.. honestly, how can you look at a sunset or a newborne baby and tell me that there's not a GOD?
 
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QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 11 2004, 2:51 PM)
honestly, how can you look at a sunset or a newborne baby and tell me that there's not a GOD?

easily. i just can. especially with the baby, since they're born in hospitols, centers to prevent death caused by a supposed god.

how can you look at people getting shot in the face and being tortured in iraq and tell me their is a god?
how can you look at how people treat eachother, with such malice, and tell me their is a god?
how can you not see misionaries tryng to FORCE beliefes onto people, and not understand why people despise the christian church?

know jesus, no peace.
no jesus, know peace.
^tried and tested.
 
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Well well well,

It's close minded people like you that make being a believer such hard work, People are going to fight, GOD gave us free will, and when the people that are torturing and killing die .. and stand before GOD for judgement, then they will have to face what they've done. It's not my place nor yours to tell GOD what he needs to do .. to punish or stop these people. God works miracles through all evil, I was saved because of the horrible situation my family was in. I mean, I didnt have a home, my mom didnt have a job, and I had to go to school everyday and face the kids like nothing was wrong. I'm not going to sit here and argue with you the existance of GOD, For me< He's so real. He's real because I can go to sleep at night knowing that no matter what evil comes against me, that I will be safe, That through all of the heartache and pain that i've endured throughout my entire life, all of the people pushing me down and telling me that I wont amount to anything, that GOD will be there, right by my side, urging me on. I am going to make a difference in this world, and whether any of you want to believe it or not, it's all because of GOD.

* people dont hate christians because they try to FORCE their beliefs onto you. People hate christians because the confront the evils of day to day living. People dont want to look into the mirror and see themselves as sinners, The bible has a way of letting you know that you need to be better, that no matter how perfect you think you are, you can be better. Jesus didnt come to bring peace .. He came to bring division, to set mother against daughter and Father against son. So, no matter how many peace treaties are signed around the world, there will always be killing and death. GOD didnt make it that way, he sent Jesus to pick up the pieces
 
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If you lived my life you would know there was no God.
 
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QUOTE(machinoman @ Jun 11 2004, 6:50 PM)
If you lived my life you would know there was no God.

im sure ive been through more then u have n i know there IS a God....oh wait u have no science proof....ur going on ur FAITH...is this not exactly what u tel me makes ME a bad debater?! yet U do the same...u have faith He doesnt exist...i have faith that He DOES....the differance is my faith leads me down the rite path...uts doesnt
 
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QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jun 11 2004, 7:22 PM)
u have faith He doesnt exist...i have faith that He DOES....the differance is my faith leads me down the rite path...uts doesnt

so true!
 
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QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jun 11 2004, 7:22 PM)
im sure ive been through more then u have n i know there IS a God....oh wait u have no science proof....ur going on ur FAITH...is this not exactly what u tel me makes ME a bad debater?! yet U do the same...u have faith He doesnt exist...i have faith that He DOES....the differance is my faith leads me down the rite path...uts doesnt

Its easy to believe in God when life is a breeze.
 
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Mikey, you have not a clue what you're talkin about, first of all b/c YOU dont know what any of our lives are like, so who are you to tell us that its a breeze, and second, When life is easy, thats when its hardest to keep faith because GOD still commands your full attention, and you constantly want to do what you want. When times are hard, You can cast all of your cares to HIM and he'll take the burden off of your shoulders, and you wont have to bear it any longer, all you have to do is have faith that GOD can work his miracles.
 
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QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 11 2004, 6:24 PM)
It's close minded people like you that make being a believer such hard work

I can say the same about close minded individuals making being a non-beliver such hard work happy.gif.

Tell me ladies (and gents) do you believe that God is all powerful? Be careful how you answer this question.

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The bible has a way of letting you know that you need to be better,


Are you saying that all non-Christians, or people who do not read the Bible are immoral and evil? Because I learned morality from my parents and from my experiences in life. I've read stories from the Bible, and sure, they're good stories, but it's nothing I don't ALREADY know.
 

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