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QUOTE I suppose. But how I see it is that science perform these miracles of saving the dying, healing the sick... etc. But what about those numerous stories whereas doctor's couldn't save their patients at all, and they told them they only had a certain amount of days/weeks/months to live? But they received Jesus Christ into their heart, and they were perfectly healed. QUOTE He might just save me from a certain disaster something, or He might not. Hehe, I guess it depends on whether or not I'm a Christian. He doesn't only perform miracles on Christians. ![]() |
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![]() Quand j'étais jeune... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 ![]() |
QUOTE(krnxswat @ Jun 7 2004, 12:52 AM) But what about those numerous stories whereas doctor's couldn't save their patients at all, and they told them they only had a certain amount of days/weeks/months to live? But they received Jesus Christ into their heart, and they were perfectly healed. Really? I've heard of them, sure, but I didn't know how credible it could be. How many people were saved in this manner? But if there were numerous of these miracles, then why is there a need for science and technology? QUOTE He doesn't only perform miracles on Christians. ![]() Thank goodness for that. ![]() |
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 7 2004, 1:56 AM) But if there were numerous of these miracles, then why is there a need for science and technology? Bah. I'm trying to think of a good analogy, but I can't. ![]() So I'll just try to explain it the best I can. You can't just wait for his miracles to happen on you. Afterall, they happen to people so unexpectanly and surprisingly. Science and technology, hm. You still have to save people, overall. That's what doctors are for. I guess God just performs his miracles on certain individuals that long to seek him, wait for His miracles to be performed upon them. Bah. I suck at debating. ![]() ![]() |
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okay! okay! jeez! DONT MAKE ME CONFUSE!
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![]() Quand j'étais jeune... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 ![]() |
QUOTE(krnxswat @ Jun 7 2004, 1:00 AM) Bah. I'm trying to think of a good analogy, but I can't. ![]() So I'll just try to explain it the best I can. You can't just wait for his miracles to happen on you. Afterall, they happen to people so unexpectanly and surprisingly. Science and technology, hm. You still have to save people, overall. That's what doctors are for. I guess God just performs his miracles on certain individuals that long to seek him, wait for His miracles to be performed upon them. Bah. I suck at debating. ![]() ![]() Sort of like... emergencies? But someone said that it might be too late to seek/open your heart to God once you're dead a couple of pages back. Remember how I asked if God will forgive me for doubting Him when I die and meet Him? She said that it might be too late then. How come it wasn't too late for those non-Christians that He saved? No, you don't suck at debating. I actually have a harder time of explaining myself to you than the other believers. ![]() QUOTE okay! okay! jeez! DONT MAKE ME CONFUSE! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 7 2004, 2:09 AM) Sort of like... emergencies? But someone said that it might be too late to seek/open your heart to God once you're dead a couple of pages back. Remember how I asked if God will forgive me for doubting Him when I die and meet Him? She said that it might be too late then. How come it wasn't too late for those non-Christians that He saved? No, you don't suck at debating. I actually have a harder time of explaining myself to you than the other believers. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Hm. Well I was actually talking about miracles that He had performed during their lifetime. ![]() Well I better get going now. I'm beat and my eyes are killing me! Uninspiredfae, you, always keeping me up this late! ![]() Mmm. I'll try to get back to you on this. Take care & goodnight. ![]() |
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![]() Quand j'étais jeune... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 ![]() |
QUOTE(krnxswat @ Jun 7 2004, 1:14 AM) Hm. Well I was actually talking about miracles that He had performed during their lifetime. ![]() Well I better get going now. I'm beat and my eyes are killing me! Uninspiredfae, you, always keeping me up this late! ![]() Mmm. I'll try to get back to you on this. Take care & goodnight. ![]() Oh, I see, I see. But then could miracles be confused for the wonders of science? Or maybe vice versa? And this is only the second time I've conversed with you this late. ![]() ![]() Have a good night. |
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Ahh! Okay, last post.
![]() QUOTE But then could miracles be confused for the wonders of science? Or maybe vice versa? Sure; but what about the example I said earlier on? About the doctor not being able to save his patients and so on. I guess sometimes they become so distinct, you can tell it's a miracle. But heck, it's confusing. (Edit;; And yeah, miracles always don't have to be related to science and technology, so yeah.) Yeah, after I wrote that I realized it was the only second time, but I was too lazy to hit the backspace buttons. ![]() Goodnight. |
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![]() Quand j'étais jeune... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 ![]() |
QUOTE(krnxswat @ Jun 7 2004, 1:21 AM) Ahh! Okay, last post. ![]() Sure; but what about the example I said earlier on? About the doctor not being able to save his patients and so on. I guess sometimes they become so distinct, you can tell it's a miracle. But heck, it's confusing. (Edit;; And yeah, miracles always don't have to be related to science and technology, so yeah.) Yeah, after I wrote that I realized it was the only second time, but I was too lazy to hit the backspace buttons. ![]() Goodnight. Could it have been the person's last line of survival mechanism? I don't know if such a thing exist, but then again, I question God's very exisitence. If there's a possibility that He exists, then I'm sure something like a 'last line of survial mechanism' exist. I don't know, I'm not trying to be stubborn. Promise. Miracles that do not have to be science related? Like how? Can't think of anything right now, but feel free to point them out to me when you're awake. |
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you see His miracles are doctors. it may not seem like it but think about it. Thats His gift to us. He gave them the skill to be our miracle givers. all the fireifighters, policemen, ect are God's gift to us. Bascically scientists and doctors as miracles workers.
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QUOTE you see His miracles are doctors. it may not seem like it but think about it. Thats His gift to us. He gave them the skill to be our miracle givers. all the fireifighters, policemen, ect are God's gift to us. Bascically scientists and doctors as miracles workers. yesyes! amen! =D |
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QUOTE(Yemmerz @ Jun 7 2004, 4:07 PM) you see His miracles are doctors. it may not seem like it but think about it. Thats His gift to us. He gave them the skill to be our miracle givers. all the fireifighters, policemen, ect are God's gift to us. Bascically scientists and doctors as miracles workers. so what are atheists and muslims? the work of the devil, the scourge that the devil plagued the earth with? what about agnostics? are they from the deepest pits of hell, trying to presuade your faith in god? please aznpnoiboy, before you post in the topic, read this. |
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ok guys some of us just have to handle the fact that some poeple just dont believe in God or other beliefs so just let it be.
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QUOTE(F_L_I_P @ Jun 7 2004, 7:06 PM) ok guys some of us just have to handle the fact that some poeple just dont believe in God or other beliefs so just let it be. I am aware. I have been aware. We're just sharing our ideas, beliefs, our own perspectives; who knows, your views on something might change after reading someone's post. |
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Thank God I'm an atheist.
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QUOTE(waccoon @ Jun 7 2004, 5:27 PM) so what are atheists and muslims? the work of the devil, the scourge that the devil plagued the earth with? what about agnostics? are they from the deepest pits of hell, trying to presuade your faith in god? please aznpnoiboy, before you post in the topic, read this. nobody said they were the work of the devil. |
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QUOTE(waccoon @ Jun 7 2004, 6:27 PM) so what are atheists and muslims? the work of the devil, the scourge that the devil plagued the earth with? what about agnostics? are they from the deepest pits of hell, trying to presuade your faith in god? please aznpnoiboy, before you post in the topic, read this. i never said that. [wow these debaters are good] God loves all no matter if they're with Him or against Him. He didn't ask you to come give your whole life for Him. He said "just beleive in me" and He shall grant you peace. |
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QUOTE(waccoon @ Jun 7 2004, 5:27 PM) so what are atheists and muslims? the work of the devil, the scourge that the devil plagued the earth with? what about agnostics? are they from the deepest pits of hell, trying to presuade your faith in god? Dangit Waccoon, I had this great plan to ask them the same question when one of them would mention that doctors and firemen are God's creations, and you beat me to it. Oh well... ![]() QUOTE yesyes! amen! =D You speak only now to agree to someone else? You were the one who were talking about miracles, too. And just as Waccoon asked, what of atheists, Muslims, and people of other religions? Are we all Satan's creation/worshippers? Most of us has done more good than you can ever imagine, so please, before you even think about it, DO NOt call us evil. QUOTE Thank God I'm an atheist. ![]() QUOTE nobody said they were the work of the devil. Then what are we? |
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waiiitttt....satan didnt create. he used to be an angel and thought he was better than God so God kicked him outta Heaven. now satan tries to do wrong with u. but just b/c u dont believe doesnt mean ur work of satan....some are but usually its just cuz ppl dunno how awesome God is
ur lost sheep of God's flock |
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QUOTE nobody said they were the work of the devil. QUOTE so what are atheists and muslims We are all equal. We are all looked apon as God's childeren in His eyes. |
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QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jun 7 2004, 6:34 PM) waiiitttt....satan didnt create. he used to be an angel and thought he was better than God so God kicked him outta Heaven. now satan tries to do wrong with u. but just b/c u dont believe doesnt mean ur work of satan....some are but usually its just cuz ppl dunno how awesome God is ur lost sheep of God's flock Hey GENIUS, did you noticed the 'slash (/) WORSHIPER'? Have you noticed what you just said about God's flock? Why do you suppose sheeps wonder off? Because they're greedy and corrupted? Some just wonder off because they're curious. Curious of what's outside of the flock. Is it a sin to be curious? EDIT:: QUOTE We are all equal. We are all looked apon as God's childeren in His eyes. And yet he chooses one group to be in Heaven, and another group to be in Hell. So much for equality. |
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No, I'm a dragon who consumes sheep of all flocks.
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the sheeps arent really lost. its just that the shepard cannot see them
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QUOTE(Yemmerz @ Jun 7 2004, 6:39 PM) the sheeps arent really lost. its just that the shepard cannot see them I'm sorry? I'm not familiar with biblical allusions, let alone analogies... Isn't the shepard God? Isn't God everywhere? Shouldn't He see everything? |
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what i meant to say is you know how sheperds map out the sheeps plan...well if God is the sheperd...and your out of his eye. I mean that you are not following his individual plan for you that leads to happiness.
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