God Options

[waccoon]

Ive seen His works. ive seen how His loved changed me. faith is believing w/o having to touch or see a face. o wow we must have a lotta ppl who need mental hospitals....let me tell u a story..again...
this lady i know frum my old church put her daughter on a plane, it was her daughters first time n she was going to see sume relative person. so when the plane took off her mom took a picture n when she got it developed she said there was an angel in the back. i never saw the picture but i dunt think she made it up n lots of ppl saw it.

that's all you have in religion. faith, and nothing more. you have nothing to do with the ficitional character you're praising and praying to. faith, faith is all religion it comes down to. and angels, yeah right. you're just saying christianity is the only religion that exists. what if that figure was a djinni? and of course, you still cant make a post without the word faith.

[stryker76]

hmm.... so how do u knoe u have a brain, a heart, and all those internal thingamagiger organs in ure body?? have u SEEN it? have u TOUCHED it????

dont say u can get a brain scan and all that... i mean. wut if thats not REALLY your brain? it COULD by something else....
and ure "heartbeat".. could be something else beating for all i knoe...


do u knoe ure BRAIN exists? ure HEART? all ure ORGANS? have u cut into ure body and LOOKED?

Well actually...i have seen my heart....i had a small hole in my heart that had to be repaired....very fun i got to watch the video after.. also if i had no heart or brian i wouldnt be typinin this now would it...i would be able to feel my pulse. if i had no brian well then i would be religious.....so yeah i think i kno if i have those

[stryker76]

well lets c He created the colors so all of them prolly....o He doesnt have a "b-day" He has alwayz been and alwayz will be.....His adress it Heaven Divine
Pearly Gates
God Almighty.

Umm actually Color is a result of light that isnt absorbed by a material and is reflected in all directtions and caught by you eye...and i dont think he has always been....i think he just appeared the day someone wanted to make a mass of people follow his ideas. and how do you kno there are pearly gates maybe that are ivory....or glass....maybe plastic.....but even then...how do you mail something to heaven "divine....i mean i dont think they have daily flights there....do they...

[ComradeRed]

They do, on Air Atilla™.

[stryker76]

other ppl have seen God. others have seen His works. i know for a fact i function b/c of Him.....I have seen Him at work through others and His creation. ive semlt the flowers He created. Ive tasted the food He provides and drunk the water He sent. we know for a fact that God is read. We've studied it. We believe it

Ummm well actually you function do to a series of electrical impulses sent from your Madulla Oblongota(sp)....It controls all your life functions that you dont think about....and the last time i checked god never sent me water....it has been here since the beginning of the earth. the same water then dino's pissed in. ever heard of the water cycle proly not...cuz it aint in a bible. Also god aint ever sent me food...my local super market bought it from a farm ....or food processing plant....so yeah im still waitin for the physical proof of god...but oh wait there aint ne just a bunch of incoherent faith, and love of god. and yeah i kno my friends fav colors...Red, Greem, Black, Silver.....4 colors that my friend Jon likes...

[princess2113]

Umm actually Color is a result of light that isnt absorbed by a material and is reflected in all directtions and caught by you eye...and i dont think he has always been....i think he just appeared the day someone wanted to make a mass of people follow his ideas. and how do you kno there are pearly gates maybe that are ivory....or glass....maybe plastic.....but even then...how do you mail something to heaven "divine....i mean i dont think they have daily flights there....do they...

yes it is and He created it that way. He has alwayz been. u dunt just appear like boom....daily flights? that didnt make sense

Well actually...i have seen my heart....i had a small hole in my heart that had to be repaired....very fun i got to watch the video after.. also if i had no heart or brian i wouldnt be typinin this now would it...i would be able to feel my pulse. if i had no brian well then i would be religious.....so yeah i think i kno if i have those

if God wasnt in my life i wuldnt b typing either. if He wasnt real id never have been here.

[*CEP*]

yes it is and He created it that way. He has alwayz been. u dunt just appear like boom....daily flights? that didnt make sense




if God wasnt in my life i wuldnt b typing either. if He wasnt real id never have been here.

yes it is and He created it that way.  He has alwayz been.  u dunt just appear like boom....daily flights? that didnt make sense

Have you ever seen a prism? You go and take it to scatter white light.
THERE, YOU MADE COLOR. That wasn't a miracle, it was pure science.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

[waccoon]

and that's the problem with god, science dispells all of it. yaweth, at least. princess, you keep saying things like "if he wasnt real, then why do (insert phrase)?" "i know hes there.. we've seen"

why dont you prove it, because im getting sick of your predictable ramblings.

[princess2113]

and that's the problem with god, science dispells all of it. yaweth, at least. princess, you keep saying things like "if he wasnt real, then why do (insert phrase)?" "i know hes there.. we've seen"

why dont you prove it, because im getting sick of your predictable ramblings.

my predictical ramblings? let me mock u for a moment "prove it. prove it. prove it. theres no science. u dont have proof." WELL u dunt have proof that He doesnt. n i told u we can c that He died on a cross.....u dont WANT to believe to you dont....that DOES NOT mean He doesnt exist....and who do u think made science work the way it does? who made ur eyes so u culd see the lights?

[waccoon]

my predictical ramblings? let me mock u for a moment "prove it. prove it. prove it. theres no science. u dont have proof." WELL u dunt have proof that He doesnt. n i told u we can c that He died on a cross.....u dont WANT to believe to you dont....that DOES NOT mean He doesnt exist....and who do u think made science work the way it does? who made ur eyes so u culd see the lights?

haha. mock me? hardly. have you read any of my previous posts in this thread, or my xanga at http://www.xanga.com/worthlesslife ? if you haven't it shows what kind of a debater you are. you keep backing up your replies with I HAVE SEEN HIM, I HAVE FAITH, HE MADE EVERYTHING AROUND ME AND THATS HOW I KNOW HES REAL, yet you keep avoiding answering any of my questions. i have answered many of your questions head on. i thought it was jesus that died on a cross? jesus, the son of yaweth? who made me think science works the way it does? science is all around you. you walk, that's newton. energy cannot be destroyed or created in any way, only changed into another form. you breathe, that's your body circulating materials throughout your body. science is all around you, unlike yaweth, who was a in a good bedtime book. it put me to sleep.

and you dont know how hard it was for me not to start flaming this girl.

[Spirited Away]

So, all these arguements are great about how God made Man and how God is everywhere to perform miracles. If you believe that, more power to you. It's nice to have that kind of hope.

But just wondering, to those that are so adament that God perform miracles and that science is nothing without God: do you believe, then, that science is useless? That with God's existence and his miracles, there shouldn't be a need for science?

[IIO__oII]

So, all these arguements are great about how God made Man and how God is everywhere to perform miracles. If you believe that, more power to you. It's nice to have that kind of hope.

But just wondering, to those that are so adament that God perform miracles and that science is nothing without God: do you believe, then, that science is useless? That with God's existence and his miracles, there shouldn't be a need for science?

y would there be no need for science if there is a God?? cant science and God work together? =/
i mean, even tho many things in science r just "theories".. there are sum things in science that r correct and proven.. like the laws of gravity?

[Spirited Away]

y would there be no need for science if there is a God?? cant science and God work together? =/
i mean, even tho many things in science r just "theories".. there are sum things in science that r correct and proven.. like the laws of gravity?

Heh.

Theories are proven again and again when they actually show the same result over and over again. The fact that heart transplants are made possible because, theorectially, we know exactly where the heart is and how it functions. Science isn't just coincidences (except for some expiriments, I guess).

Anyway, I asked that question because all of you hailed God as perfection and provider of miracles. If He is great, and loves His children, there shouldn't be a need for science because God would save us all with His miracles.

Science contradicts God many times, therefore, God and science can rarely concur.

[*krnxswat*]

let me mock u for a moment

Mock. Yeah.
Ing. Yeah.
Bird. Yeah.

Mockingbird! Yeah!

[IIO__oII]

Heh.

Theories are proven again and again when they actually show the same result over and over again. The fact that heart transplants are made possible because, theorectially, we know exactly where the heart is and how it functions. Science isn't just coincidences (except for some expiriments, I guess).

Anyway, I asked that question because all of you hailed God as perfection and provider of miracles. If He is great, and loves His children, there shouldn't be a need for science because God would save us all with His miracles.

Science contradicts God many times, therefore, God and science can rarely concur.

hmmm but if God DID suddenly appear and did miracles.. would u STILL belive him? cause when Jesus was here on earth, he performed ALOT of miracles.. like healing the blind/sick/paralysed.... feeding the 5000 with just 2 fishes and 5 loaves of bread... etc.... many ppl said they were the work of the devil.. many ppl didnt belive.. so wut was the use of him performing miracles?
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and.. i dont think that Christianity really contradicts alot of wut science is talking about.... [the PROVEN theories]

[Spirited Away]

hmmm but if God DID suddenly appear and did miracles.. would u STILL belive him? cause when Jesus was here on earth, he performed ALOT of miracles.. like healing the blind/sick/paralysed.... feeding the 5000 with just 2 fishes and 5 loaves of bread... etc.... many ppl said they were the work of the devil.. many ppl didnt belive.. so wut was the use of him performing miracles?
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and.. i dont think that Christianity really contradicts alot of wut science is talking about.... [the PROVEN theories]

Okay, but I've never seen Jesus. I've only witness miracles performed by doctors, firemen, law enforcers... etc. I haven't witness Jesus healing the sick, except from watching TV.

The use of Him performing miracles was to help His children. If He loves his children so much then just continue to help them, without needing to care whether or not he gets recognition for doing the work. That's unconditional love.

I'm just saying that if He can do all that, there wouldn't be need of science and technology. That's all. Everything would be dependant on miracles.

Actually, Christianity does contradict science. Remember how flat the Earth was until Galileo proved the Church wrong? Science proved the Church wrong. How is that not a contradiction?

[BeyondElite]

Okay, this is the question, "How were you made?" I'm sure your'e gonna answer it "By my parents" But who create the VERY FIRST PARENT? Think about it, "Who came first, the chicken or the egg?" ... Who created plants? water? and everything (except manmade)? For there is a reason that we HAVE GOD. God made us, God will protect us. Thin about the question. Not just debate about it!

Okay, but I've never seen Jesus. I've only witness miracles performed by doctors, firemen, law enforcers... etc. I haven't witness Jesus healing the sick, except from watching TV.

THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO!

[Spirited Away]

Okay, this is the question, "How were you made?"  I'm sure your'e gonna answer it "By my parents"  But who create the VERY FIRST PARENT?  Think about it, "Who came first, the chicken or the egg?" ...  Who created plants?  water?  and everything (except manmade)?  For there is a reason that we HAVE GOD.  God made us, God will protect us.  Thin about the question.  Not just debate about it!

I've said it before and I will say it again and again until the new people, who haven't read the whole thread, stop assuming so much.

I believe in a Creator, that doesn't necessarily has to be the Christian God.

I can see that all your questions are very valid ones. But it's the concept of Heaven and Hell, and God being everywhere making miracles that have many of us non-believers perplexed.

If I can say that I believe in a Creator, will that stop you from questioning about how we were made?

But once more, if God is almighty and so loving and is a provider of miracles, why do we need science/technology?

Edit::

THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO!

No duh. Sorry, but that was too obvious.

The reason why I said that was to say that I wasn't a witness of His miracles then, but I would believe Him if He were to do it today and we can all be rid of sickness and diseases.

[BeyondElite]

I've said it before and I will say it again and again until the new people, who haven't read the whole thread, stop assuming so much.

I believe in a Creator, that doesn't necessarily has to be the Christian God.

I can see that all your questions are very valid ones. But it's the concept of Heaven and Hell, and God being everywhere making miracles that have many of us non-believers perplexed.

If I can say that I believe in a Creator, will that stop you from questioning about how we were made?

But once more, if God is almighty and so loving and is a provider of miracles, why do we need science/technology?

OKAY! OKAY! FINE! I'm not talking about your religion!

[Spirited Away]

OKAY! OKAY! FINE! I'm not talking about your religion!

No need for exclaimation marks there dude.

You're not talking about my religion because I DO NOT have a religion. I believe in concepts. Two completely different things.

But I am questioning you about yours. Have you an answer?

[*krnxswat*]

But once more, if God is almighty and so loving and is a provider of miracles, why do we need science/technology?

Hope you don't mind if I use some verses to answer your questions.

Genesis ch3
13Then the Lord God said to the woman, 'What is this you have done?"
"The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."
17To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,'
"Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.
18It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19By the sweat of your brow,
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return."

Because of this incident, it forced us to work, and blah blah, eventually leading us to new discoveries, and such.


Edit;;
I don't know if this would answer your question or not; if it doesn't, my bad. I'm awfully fatigued.

[Spirited Away]

Hope you don't mind if I use some verses to answer your questions. 

Genesis ch3

Because of this incident, it forced us to work, and blah blah, eventually leading us to new discoveries, and such.

No, I don't mind. (EDIT:: because I usually do it too...)

But I questioned it because some other people has been saying that God perform miracles everyday... and I thought, if He does, there shouldn't be a need for science. Miracles will save the dying, heal the sick, explain the unexplained. That sort of thing.

I mean, He performs miracles right? There were examples that people were saved and stuff like that.... so it confused me. It still does.

[BeyondElite]

No need for exclaimation marks there dude.

You're not talking about my religion because I DO NOT have a religion. I believe in concepts. Two completely different things.

But I am questioning you about yours. Have you an answer?

Yeah.... God created the world with his might.... Thanks a lot waccoon! your making me angry!

[*krnxswat*]

No, I don't mind. (EDIT:: because I usually do it too...)

But I questioned it because some other people has been saying that God perform miracles everyday... and I thought, if He does, there shouldn't be a need for science. Miracles will save the dying, heal the sick, explain the unexplained. That sort of thing.

I mean, He performs miracles right? There were examples that people were saved and stuff like that.... so it confused me. It still does.

Hm. He does perform miracles, to answer your question. It does save the dying, heal the sick, and explain the unexplained. I mean there's probably a miracle going on right now. Miracles don't have always to big things, it can also be small things too. Science and technology, well we need that to carry out our daily procedures.
Maybe He doesn't always perform miracles because He wants us to earnestly seek him more, want him more, and be eager for his miracle? I'm not sure.
Bleh, I suck at explaining things into words.

But who knows, He might just perform a miracle in your life someday.

[Spirited Away]

Yeah....  God created the world with his might....  Thanks a lot waccoon!  your making me angry!

I didn't ask whether or not God created the world, because.............. I thought I made it clear that I agree that I'm a creation, therefore I must've came from somewhere.

Anyway, the question was what's the need for science if God is here to provide us with miracles?

Waccoon wasn't being unreasonable for bringing up this subject. It has been a controversy for centuries. Be angry at the man who created religion.

EDIT::

Hm. He does perform miracles, to answer your question. It does save the dying, heal the sick, and explain the unexplained. I mean there's probably a miracle going on right now. Miracles don't have always to big things, it can also be small things too. Science and technology, well we need that to carry out our daily procedures.
Maybe He doesn't always perform miracles because He wants us to earnestly seek him more, want him more, and be eager for his miracle? I'm not sure.
Bleh, I suck at explaining things into words. 

But who knows, He might just perform a miracle in your life someday. 

I suppose.

But how I see it is that science perform these miracles of saving the dying, healing the sick... etc.

Miracles do not have to be noticible, no, it doesn't. But it was an attempt to question those who believe so much in miracles that they say miracles saved their lives...

He might just save me from a certain disaster, or He might not. Hehe, I guess it depends on whether or not I'm a Christian.