God Options

[onenonly101]

Yeah Jesus is a Jew but his followers are now Christians. Jesus-the Messiah, Chosen One, Savior died on the cross for us. When he was alive he made many miracles so that we will believe that Jesus is Christ, God's son.

[onenonly101]

Most do not need to. As with propaganda in politics, I've seen enough commercials and/or advertisement about this church and that church to be curious about it. If I were a child, and I see these ads, I'd be swayed to go and find out more about it. And once I'm in a Church, I am promised that there is He, who loves me unconditionally. And as a child, I would think, what a good deal this is. I can't go wrong with my Heavenly father who would ensure a place for me in Paradise and all I have to do is believe in him...

If I were that child, I'd change/convert my faith in an instant.



But some haven't seen God's miracles but they claim they do to please their parents/neighbors/friends. Religion is almost like a drug and there's peer pressure. Trust me on this as I've experienced discrimination of this kind for not being a Catholic.



I have said that unless I've experienced it for myself, I wouldn't believe it. I don't have much faith in Man and their talks of religion, because we are flawed and are prone to greed and sometimes, we too much of the truth.

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They is extremely untrue. That is how you can tell you haven't been around TRUE Christian. Alot of people say they know the Lord, but they do not. Half of the Christians I know did grow up in church. But that does not mean they believed, many did not believe until they were teenagers eventhoguh they were brought up in the church. The other half came to know Christ. Their parents would NEVER take them to church or they left everything up to their own decision. They saw the works, they knew that there was nothing to lose. They knew God is real, He is omnipotent. Nothing anyone could say could ever make me doubt who God is.

Men are corrupt and sinful. Don't take others word on it research it yourself read the bible. Open your mind to believing that there is someone greater than us. I beleieve the bible because I believe God. God spoke through these men. These men accounted what they saw there is no way that they all experienced the same thing and it not be true. It is logivally impossible

[shawty_redd]

i believe in god..but i think its because of my mother..she brought me up believe in god..maybe if i had a choice i might (and thats a BIG might) have chosen a different religon...

[Spirited Away]

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I noticed. Thanks for pointing it out.

I haven't been around true Christians, because there are so many self-proclaim "true Christians" out there, that for someone as unreligious as myself, can get confused. I'm speaking from experience with Christians and Catholics that I do know about, since my life revolves a lot around them.

But like I have said, since you have experienced God for youself, you can't doubt Him, but for the million others we haven't the slightest clue what you and other believers are talking about, we have a right to doubt. That doesn't make us heretics, as some "true Christains" would say (as I have been called such), but maybe it isn't our time with God yet.

By the way, what you're saying isn't very realistic. I know that many parents would allow their children the chance to find God in their own hearts, but there are many others who would pressure their children into the same religion (not only Christianity).

Men are corrupt and sinful. Don't take others word on it research it yourself read the bible.

I am ardently against the Bible as I cannot believe in the Men who wrote it, but it doesn't mean that I don't believe in God. I am an agnostic humanist, and I do believe there is a God, but only that he's not too involved in my life.

I choose not to go to Church every Sunday (or rarely at all), because the Churches I've been to use 'collection money' to build more Churches instead of helping out the poor. Maybe I've been to some wrong Churches... but still, these men of faith only sought to make religion into a business. I cannot believe in them.

Open your mind to believing that there is someone greater than us.

I already do! But not in the way that you do, but you can't change how people will perceive God, because they do not know him on an intimate level that you have.

It is logivally impossible

Not so impossible as one may think.

[onenonly101]

I understand what you are saying, and I completely respect your opinion.

but maybe it isn't our time with God yet.

That is true because sometimes it not the right time for you to believe, but you never know when your last day will be.

choose not to go to Church every Sunday (or rarely at all), because the Churches I've been to use 'collection money' to build more Churches instead of helping out the poor. Maybe I've been to some wrong Churches... but still, these men of faith only sought to make religion into a business. I cannot believe in them.

That is why you have to be careful of what church you go to. There are many churches like that but there are also many churches that do what is right. That is why I love my church, for the reason that it speaks the truth and acts of what it says we should do as giving money to the poor, and to missions, and other things

[xquizit]

with pleasure...

alright, to begin...

so you hear that people who have faith in God/Adonai and Jesus/Yeshua, whatever language you call his name by, are going to be much happier in their lives if they do... oh man... WRONG!

dude, if you really have faith in Christ and his Father, you will know that life is going to be like a prick in your @$$. Theres going to be so many spiritual warfares and trials to go through, its unbelievable. Your boss is gonna cuss you out and fire you, and you dont even know WTF just happened. ofcourse the smart believers know that satan/the devil, whatever you call em, was in charge of that crap. Yes God allowed it to happen. He wanted to see if you would curse Him out if it happened. it was a trial.

so your a happy camper believer, but gossip starts around you, and now your friends are hatin on you for some reason. WTF RIGHT? spiritual warfare. satans messin with ya. but never forget God is there, hes watching. he's seeing your reactions. hes testing you. he wants to know if your the RIGHT guy/girl to be with Him in His presence. Oh but i forgot, He already knows that you belong with him, Hes God. He knows all. He just wants you to realize that you belong to Him. God works in mysterious ways. Ways we will never comprehend.

cough: i need to preach in a black church :cough

moving on...

oh so you dont believe in him now, you dont SEE him now.. hunh.. oh boy.
when you come face to face with Death, and you see that there is no way out, OH MAN, your gonna SEE HIM, your gonna SEE HIM and His mighty Glory, and your gonna break down, surrender and cry out to Him, and he will Save you, because you SAW HIM.

You know what, yeah, cuz i said so. Your gonna go to church one day, and your.. hmm.. ok I'm pray on this. your gonna become a preacher someday and be preaching to everyone. YEah i can see this happening. God loves you, and when you find out, you will surrender

I need a drink of water. i see now why pastors drink water in front of the church. goodness..

PREACH PREACH!

[initial-seven]

Im not religious....I dont beleive in god, a lot of people in my school do.....

How does god help you? I mean when you die, you die, theres no heaven or hell...... You don't go up into the clouds and see angels and stuff.....

I used to believe in god ......... but then I started to realize that god wasn't real...

[*krnxswat*]

I mean when you die, you die, theres no heaven or hell

Can you elaborate on how you came to this conclusion?

I used to believe in god ......... but then I started to realize that god wasn't real...

Please enlighten me with how you came upon this realization.

[machinoman]

i think religion was created by people who fear death. also people make up stories to explain things like how indians explained the shapes in the sky were people and shapes of animals from stories they had created. it is widely known that people can believe something that isnt true, like believing in witches, so religions dont need to be real to be believed. you can think you feel the lord inside you and have it be your imagination. that is entirely possible. heck, if my parents told me everyone goes to a magical bowling alley after you die i would believe that to, because they are my parents and because i would want to believe it. you want to know what death is really like? remember before you were born? its like that.

and my theory of evolution consists of two undeniable facts:
1. there is variation in the creation of a new being. (if your parents have two babies they will not be physically identical)
2. beings more suited for their environment are more likely to survive. (if there is a large green field with green and yellow grasshoppers in it the green ones blend in better they are more likely to survive. also, if one person is smarter, or faster than another person they will escape preditors more often)
this is how single-celled organisms can become intelligent. Of course, the process takes millions of years.

as for my religion, i guess i would be an agnostic, but since everyone is technically an agnostic because of the fact that no one can truly know anything, i would lean more towards athiest. i cannot, of course deny the fact that there could be a god, just as there could be a magical flying elaphant that grants wishes at the center of the Earth, it just aint likely. dont get me wrong, i would love to believe there is a heaven, but i could sooner convince myself there is a santa clause.

Contrary to what many people think, most of the laws regarding treatment of others apply not only to our treatment of our fellow Jews, but also to our treatment of gentiles, and in many cases even to our treatment of animals. In fact, some of the laws instituted by the sages even extend kind treatment to inanimate objects. The bread on the shabbat table is covered during the blessing over the wine, so that it's "feelings" are not hurt by having the wine take precedence over it. Of course, we do not believe that bread actually has feelings, but this practice helps to instill an enormous sensitivity to others. If we can show concern for a loaf of bread, how can we fail to show concern for our fellow man?

Yeah Jesus is a Jew but his followers are now Christians. Jesus-the Messiah, Chosen One, Savior died on the cross for us. When he was alive he made many miracles so that we will believe that Jesus is Christ, God's son.

"we" dont you mean "I"?? because i dont belive that.

(uninspiredfae @ May 12 2004, 9:32 PM)

Most do not need to. As with propaganda in politics, I've seen enough commercials and/or advertisement about this church and that church to be curious about it. If I were a child, and I see these ads, I'd be swayed to go and find out more about it. And once I'm in a Church, I am promised that there is He, who loves me unconditionally. And as a child, I would think, what a good deal this is. I can't go wrong with my Heavenly father who would ensure a place for me in Paradise and all I have to do is believe in him...

If I were that child, I'd change/convert my faith in an instant.



But some haven't seen God's miracles but they claim they do to please their parents/neighbors/friends. Religion is almost like a drug and there's peer pressure. Trust me on this as I've experienced discrimination of this kind for not being a Catholic.



I have said that unless I've experienced it for myself, I wouldn't believe it. I don't have much faith in Man and their talks of religion, because we are flawed and are prone to greed and sometimes, we too much of the truth.

double posting

They is extremely untrue. That is how you can tell you haven't been around TRUE Christian. Alot of people say they know the Lord, but they do not. Half of the Christians I know did grow up in church. But that does not mean they believed, many did not believe until they were teenagers eventhoguh they were brought up in the church. The other half came to know Christ. Their parents would NEVER take them to church or they left everything up to their own decision. They saw the works, they knew that there was nothing to lose. They knew God is real, He is omnipotent. Nothing anyone could say could ever make me doubt who God is.

Men are corrupt and sinful. Don't take others word on it research it yourself read the bible. Open your mind to believing that there is someone greater than us. I beleieve the bible because I believe God. God spoke through these men. These men accounted what they saw there is no way that they all experienced the same thing and it not be true. It is logivally impossible

ugh you piss me off kid. dont tell us to read the bible. and dont talk of imposiblity. dont talk about "TRUE" people because you can tprove you are one of them.
seeing as how there are no such things that is...

[Spirited Away]

That is true because sometimes it not the right time for you to believe, but you never know when your last day will be.



That is why you have to be careful of what church you go to. There are many churches like that but there are also many churches that do what is right. That is why I love my church, for the reason that it speaks the truth and acts of what it says we should do as giving money to the poor, and to missions, and other things

Dude, don't scare me like that... hahaha jk jk.

I go to a decent Catholic Church now because my cousin peruaded me to try it out (since she's a nun). I like it... except that it still asks for donation money every now and then.. I ask why and their response was so simple that it angered me.

The response was that they can further improve the Church... ARGH.. there are hungry people out there who can use this money instead of improving a Church that already has so many members and is still so NEW.

Your Church sounds awesome.

[onenonly101]

ugh you piss me off kid. dont tell us to read the bible. and dont talk of imposiblity. dont talk about "TRUE" people because you can tprove you are one of them.
seeing as how there are no such things that is...

I wasn;y talking to you if you didn't noticed i quoted uninspired. You tell me not to talkof these things because??? I did not say ture people i said true Christians. As in not eveyone who says they are a Christian is a Christian. I am one. I don't have to prove it to anyone except God because he is the only one that matters. I can't say everyone she incountered wasn't true, but by the statements made by those they couldn't/could be true. Idon't knw anyone's personal walk but my own. So i was assuming. There is no such thing as true people, wow you are really losing me there. Am i not mistaken that your s/n says jewishbabey, and that Jewish people believe in the Old Testament where it is talking about these things??

The response was that they can further improve the Church... ARGH.. there are hungry people out there who can use this money instead of improving a Church that already has so many members and is still so NEW.

Your Church sounds awesome.

not all the way awesome. I do love it, but i don't agree with everything like you said improving the church. I say people will hear the Word no matter if it is a rundown building. Though people will be more prone to come to places that look nice

[Spirited Away]

Though people will be more prone to come to places that look nice

True that. But for me, I prefer to go somewhere that I can feel at home, and not at a business.

[stryker76]

okay, im gonna start something new. if i go murder some child, why should i have to go to hell for it? after all, god is perfect. god knew that i was going to kill that little kid. if he knew it was going to do it, then i couldn't have possibly changed my mind. if i changed my mind and let the child live, god would have been wrong. and god is perfect. so why should i go to hell for my 'mistakes'? i shouldn't. whoever thought up god should have thought a little harder.

Yeah im goin to go all bible thumper and say one thing supporting the christains.....mark this on your calendar ill never do it again it makes me sick.....Dog...(the only i way i will refer to god ne more) can not influence our free will.....

But yeah ne ways Waccoon is my new hero for puttin this debate up....there is no god....god is there to make people feel as though they are not alone in the universe....but people dont realize that we are insignifigant peices od carbon shit floatin in space....on a giant rock.......the is life in the universe...it wouldnt make since if there wasnt....and when we find other life...that will tear religion apart because God made us to rule his creations....well besides us destroyin everything....would it make since to have smarter things then us if we are ment to rule....no so yeah so much for a Dog

I wasn;y talking to you if you didn't noticed i quoted uninspired. You tell me not to talkof these things because??? I did not say ture people i said true Christians. As in not eveyone who says they are a Christian is a Christian. I am one. I don't have to prove it to anyone except God because he is the only one that matters. I can't say everyone she incountered wasn't true, but by the statements made by those they couldn't/could be true. Idon't knw anyone's personal walk but my own. So i was assuming. There is no such thing as true people, wow you are really losing me there. Am i not mistaken that your s/n says jewishbabey, and that Jewish people believe in the Old Testament where it is talking about these things??



not all the way awesome. I do love it, but i don't agree with everything like you said improving the church. I say people will hear the Word no matter if it is a rundown building. Though people will be more prone to come to places that look nice

there realley is no old testament thats just what non-jews like you call it.

[tkproduce]

For those who are arguing that God does not exist and that we are just insignificant pieces of matter living on a piece of rock, I ask - why do quite a lot of scientific geniouses of past and present, who should know better about this universe than any of us, believe in God?

[*krnxswat*]

okay, im gonna start something new. if i go murder some child, why should i have to go to hell for it? after all, god is perfect. god knew that i was going to kill that little kid. if he knew it was going to do it, then i couldn't have possibly changed my mind. if i changed my mind and let the child live, god would have been wrong. and god is perfect. so why should i go to hell for my 'mistakes'? i shouldn't. whoever thought up god should have thought a little harder.

Choices; that's what he gave you.
You're the one to distinguish and choose them between right and wrong.

[dasturbd]

there's already like 5 religious/God related debates going around in here so I'm not going to get into another, but I do have one thing to say...

Dog...(the only i way i will refer to god ne more)

Whether or not you believe in him, calling him "Dog" is just simply disrespectful to those that do believe in him. I'm not saying you should change your views or position or anything like that, but you could show a little more respect for those that do believe.

[Jiggapin0]

An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty.

He asks one of his new Muslim students to stand and.....

Professor: You are a Muslim, aren't you, son?
Student : Yes, sir.
Prof: So you believe in God?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Prof: Is God good?
Student: Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student : Yes.
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?

(Student is silent.)

Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?
Student :Yes.
Prof: Is Satan good?
Student : No.
Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student : From...God...
Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Prof: So who created evil?

(Student does not answer.)

Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student :Yes, sir.
Prof: So, who created them?

(Student has no answer.)

Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student : No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
Student : No , sir.
Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Student : No sir. There isn't.

(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold.Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something.
You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality.You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God.You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

(The class is in uproar.)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?

(The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have done so.
So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable
protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir.
With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face
unfathomable.)

Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it sir.. The link between man and god is FAITH.
That is all that keeps things moving alive.




Something I read from my friend's xanga.

All you need is faith. If you believe in Jesus, he's there for you. If he exists or not doesn't matter as long as you have faith.

Wow, the Professor got owned. Awesome story.

[machinoman]

For those who are arguing that God does not exist and that we are just insignificant pieces of matter living on a piece of rock, I ask - why do quite a lot of scientific geniouses of past and present, who should know better about this universe than any of us, believe in God?

quite a lot of scientific geniouses of past and present, who should know better about this universe than any of us, don't believe in God also; regardless i'd like to make up my own mind rather than follow other peoples opinions blindly.

Wow, the Professor got owned. Awesome story.

awesomely fictional. if i were the proffesor i would say you can feel heat and cold, you can see light, and you could, with x-rays, see my brain too, but there is no way to see or in any way sense god, for he does not exist.

[juliar]

<--Agnostic.

why do quite a lot of scientific geniouses of past and present, who should know better about this universe than any of us, believe in God?

They wouldn't be accepted for their work. Especially in the past. Religion is what religious people trust in.

this topic pisses me off because people [such as the pope] are just so blind.[like bush] they can only see their own religion and no one elses. not everyone belives in jesus[miss-that-was-for-the-uninspired]
nobody said that i was uninspored, idiot.
i belive.
just not in a retarted school teacher, properly shunned mind you, named jesus.

[Mireh]

this topic pisses me off because people [such as the pope] are just so blind.[like bush] they can only see their own religion and no one elses. not everyone belives in jesus[miss-that-was-for-the-uninspired]
nobody said that i was uninspored, idiot.
i belive.
just not in a retarted school teacher, properly shunned mind you, named jesus.

EXCUSE ME!?!?!?!?!?

Just because YOUR jewish (obviously) DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU CAN BASH OTHER PEOPLES RELIGIONS!

Especially jesus christ.

just not in a retarted school teacher, properly shunned mind you, named jesus.

You are SOOO BEING JUDGMENTAL!!! HOW DID YOU KNOW HE WAS RETARDED! HOW DARE YOU!

Ignorance sickens me.

Seriously. Stop being so full of yourslef and your religion and heed to other people's beliefs.

[waccoon]

okay calm down, deep breaths. in, out. in, out. count to ten.


good girl. *pats head*

[*krnxswat*]

this topic pisses me off because people [such as the pope] are just so blind.[like bush] they can only see their own religion and no one elses. not everyone belives in jesus[miss-that-was-for-the-uninspired]
nobody said that i was uninspored, idiot.
i belive.
just not in a retarted school teacher, properly shunned mind you, named jesus.

Ohhhhh, wow.
Please stop. Before I take further actions.