Abortion Options

[*AngelicEyz00*]

Please excuse this double post, I really wanted to address this post.

That's the worst part. It is a crime, yet there is no law against it. Thousands of babies die as a result of abortion.

I fell masturbation is wrong (But that's a different topic, which I really don't want to bring up). However, the sperm has the same DNA as the kid who's jacking off. So it's his own cells, not a human being.

Girls cannot choose to have periods. It's a natural process. And usually, the egg has expired so it's not viable anymore, hence the need to eject it from to body. And it has the same DNA as the girl who is having the period. So it's her own cells, not a human being.

yes, but the cells are alive... who in the world are you to say a zygote is human?? it's not, it's only a fetus

[*kryogenix*]

well, then how about this:
fertility clinics harvest eggs and sperm and combine them.

resulting in about TWENTY fertilized eggs. only ONE OR TWO are used.

The rest are THROWN AWAY, not even USED for stem cell RESEARCH, because our MORAL president made it ILLEGAL. not even IF the PARENTS agree to let them use them.


do you know how many people go to fertility clinics? that's 19 dead babys per try. many people try more than once.

Not true. Some of them never get fertilized. There's a reason why they do that many eggs at a time, because they know some will be invalid and cannot be transplanted into the womb. So less than the 20 actually are valid babies. Still, throwing away life still is wrong.

But it isn't a baby. In the beginning, it is merely dividing cells with 46 chromosomes. How does that make life?

It has its own unique DNA and it's growing organs.

yes, but the cells are alive... who in the world are you to say a zygote is human?? it's not, it's only a fetus

Yes the cells are alive, but they are equivalent to any other cell in that person's body. They are not human beings. A fertilized egg, however, is a human being. Come on, you should realize there is a difference between a skin cell and a fertilized egg.

[sadolakced acid]

a bug has it's own DNA, but people still kill them.

so far, whether abortion is murder is still a belief. is it right to force your belief upon others?

[*kryogenix*]

a bug has it's own DNA, but people still kill them.

it's not a human.

so far, whether abortion is murder is still a belief.  is it right to force your belief upon others?

abortion is murder. there's no other way to interpret it.

[sadolakced acid]

might i remind you again that it's a belief that abortion is murder?

that a large chunk of the country belives it isn't? as well as one that belives it is?

it isn't right to force your belief upon another.

and since you can't seem to look at it from a pro- choice view, let me inverse it for you.

pro-life people outlawing abortion and telling women who want one to use the adoption serice would be like:

pro-choice people telling you that if you're not keeping your baby, you must have an abortion.

wrong you say? it's what you want to do.

[*kryogenix*]

might i remind you again that it's a belief that abortion is murder?

that a large chunk of the country belives it isn't? as well as one that belives it is?

it isn't right to force your belief upon another.

and since you can't seem to look at it from a pro- choice view, let me inverse it for you.

pro-life people outlawing abortion and telling women who want one to use the adoption serice would be like:

pro-choice people telling you that if you're not keeping your baby, you must have an abortion.

wrong you say? it's what you want to do.

Just because a large chunk believes it's right, doesn't mean it is right. A large chunk of the population used to believe slavery was right, does that mean it was right?

Don't tell me it's not right to force your belief upon someone else, the government has been doing it for a while now, you see, there are things called laws, which we are forced to obey. Someone might not believe it's right, but they must obey, or suffer the consequences.

Of course I've seen it from a pro-choice view, I used to be pro choice myself, until I turned 10. Then I realized that it isn't right for the reasons i've already specified.

Your inverse is a bit illogical. Why kill a baby when someone else is willing to take it? The only reason I could think of is that you wouldn't want to go through labor. And not wanting to go through labor is pretty selfish unless 1)having a baby would kill you or 2)you were raped, so it wasn't your choice to have a baby . But even if you are selfish enough to have an abortion, do it early. Don't perform a partial birth abortion.

[ComradeRed]

Abort early and often.

[sadolakced acid]

why kill a baby? why, because it isn't a baby.

think this way: if abortion were made illegal, canada would get quite a bit of money.

[*CrackedRearView*]

I still want to know why Lacey Peterson's husband [or boyfriend] is up for double murder for the death of the unborn child as a by-product of killing her, and why we would prosecute in this instance, and not charge abortion clinic doctors?

Argue free will all you want, the baby dies in both instances.

[sadolakced acid]

because that law got passed.

personally i don't think the unborn baby killing is murder unless it's like one month till birth.

i also think the girlfriend did it but that's just me.

[punkimonkichic]

wow...abortions...a hot issue.

i am a kerry person and plus, if bush made abortions illegal, so many people would do it in an unsafe way, and more and more babies would be thrown into dumpsters, put up for adoption, brought into horrible lives, or worse.

besides, look at it this way-if a woman/teen/girl/whatever was raped and became pregnant, could you expect her to raise that child? every time she looked at the child she would be reminded of that horrible incident, and the child would probably end up feeling bad about it.

I do think that there should be some restrictions though, i mean being safe, duh.
and i dont believe in bringing a child into the world unless you are truly capable to provide a safe environment but still, making abortions illegal would just result in a lot of business in canada and a lot of people doing it illegally and getting into trouble. a lot more young mothers might end up commiting suicide too.

[*kryogenix*]

i am a kerry person and plus, if bush made abortions illegal, so many people would do it in an unsafe way, and more and more babies would be thrown into dumpsters, put up for adoption, brought into horrible lives, or worse.

why would they be put in dumpsters? adoption is a good way to go. how would adoption put the kid in a horrible life? just look at the late dave thomas, the founder of wendy's.

besides, look at it this way-if a woman/teen/girl/whatever was raped and became pregnant, could you expect her to raise that child? every time she looked at the child she would be reminded of that horrible incident, and the child would probably end up feeling bad about it.

Oh, so instead, kill the baby? Punish the rapist, not the baby.

I do think that there should be some restrictions though, i mean being safe, duh.
and i dont believe in bringing a child into the world unless you are truly capable to provide a safe environment but still, making abortions illegal would just result in a lot of business in canada and a lot of people doing it illegally and getting into trouble. a lot more young mothers might end up commiting suicide too.

so why have sex if you aren't ready to have a baby? so what if canada makes money? if they commit suicide, what can you do? at least their genes have been erased from the gene pool i guess.

[babiedoll03]

I still want to know why Lacey Peterson's husband [or boyfriend] is up for double murder for the death of the unborn child as a by-product of killing her, and why we would prosecute in this instance, and not charge abortion clinic doctors?

You cant even use that here! Lacey didn't CHOSE to have her or her baby die... but the mother who aborts a baby DOES. You people still cannot say a freakin word until you've been through it! And abortion clinic doctors dont take babies out of a mothers womb just because they can.. NO... its the mothers choice. Now, there was a woman I talked to who was having an abortion just becuase she already had 4 kids and didnt want another.. now, thats wrong. Why dont people try fighting something else instead of fighting an endless fight. Try making it illegal.. then you can try and make cigarettes illegal.. or alcohol... or other things that KILL PEOPLE BY PEOPLES CHOICE!!! so why are you non-supporters freakin out when you probably sit here and do something that is killing yourself or if you have a child inside you, you are probably killing your child by smoking or drinking!

[*kryogenix*]

You cant even use that here! Lacey didn't CHOSE to have her or her baby die... but the mother who aborts a baby DOES. You people still cannot say a freakin word until you've been through it! And abortion clinic doctors dont take babies out of a mothers womb just because they can.. NO... its the mothers choice. Now, there was a woman I talked to who was having an abortion just becuase she already had 4 kids and didnt want another.. now, thats wrong. Why dont people try fighting something else instead of fighting an endless fight. Try making it illegal.. then you can try and make cigarettes illegal.. or alcohol... or other things that KILL PEOPLE BY PEOPLES CHOICE!!! so why are you non-supporters freakin out when you probably sit here and do something that is killing yourself or if you have a child inside you, you are probably killing your child by smoking or drinking!

Wait, so if I kill myself, it's not wrong because I chose to do it, not someone else? Why don't we let the baby choose if they want to die instead?

[sadolakced acid]

the point is, you may think abortions are wrong, you might not. but it's not right to force someone else to conform to a belief that only half the country belives.

[ryfitaDF]

Wait, so if I kill myself, it's not wrong because I chose to do it, not someone else? Why don't we let the baby choose if they want to die instead?

the only people who should try to stop you from killing yourself are the people who care about you and would be hurt if you were to die. the only people who should stop you from murdering somone are your victim and the people that care about them.

if somone really cares about their unborn child they'll let it live. if they do not, their should be nothing in their way of abortion. the only victim in abortion is the fetus, and it cannot protest. if i were aborted, i woundn't be alive enough to care.

[sikdragon]

With civilization comes taking things for granted.

All life whether cared for or not is priceless.

Who are you to decide the fate of another??

[sadolakced acid]

and who are you?

you will decide thier fate if you make them be born.

born to parents who don't want them.

thank you, fate decider.

[sikdragon]

Life can be kept and taken away later, nothing is lost by letting someone live. Death is irreversable by human capability.

[sadolakced acid]

yet you still decide thier fate.

should not someone like, say, the mother decide thier fate?

[sikdragon]

no i didnt i gave them a chance to decide their own fate.

Not if the mother won't do the same as i just did. If she does, she is incompetent and should not be a mother.

[sadolakced acid]

who are you? who are you to decide someone else's fate?

you decide the mother's fate. you decided the fetus's fate.

and who gave you that power? ( do NOT say god)



who are you to take away a woman's right? who are you to dictate this personal aspect of someone's life?

[ryfitaDF]

With civilization comes taking things for granted.

All life whether cared for or not is priceless.

Who are you to decide the fate of another??

life's worth is in the eye of its beholder.

and, don't look now, but mothers decide their kids' fates all the time, and the option of abortion will help them determine their own fate.

[sikdragon]

a woman does not have the right to kill someone. i am at a loss. How can you get such distortions from my posts?

[sadolakced acid]

yes, the woman does, if this someone is currently a fetus and inside of her.