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ryfitaDF
post Sep 11 2004, 12:28 PM
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i'm totally pro choice. choice meaning 2 or more options. if your morals are against killing babies that aren't even alive yet then don't do it, but please don't try to take somone's rights away to take an alternative.
 
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post Sep 11 2004, 04:08 PM
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What if they do keep a child that they can not provide anything for. That goes for many things such as financially, emotionally, environmentally. A stable healthy environment is important to the well bringing of a child...

Yes, but we've brought up this subject again and again. Did you read the previous pages?
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i am prochoice and i thihnk everybody should be
you cant decide whether a woman should get an abortion or not thats not your decision
if that woman chooses to get an abortion then tahts her fault not yours and shes the one who should pay the consequences either during life or in the after life

Oh, so you want everyone to be clones now? That's a nice thought. wink.gif Secondly, if you're so pro-choice, what about the choice of the child inside the mother?
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i'm totally pro choice. choice meaning 2 or more options. if your morals are against killing babies that aren't even alive yet then don't do it, but please don't try to take somone's rights away to take an alternative.

And if you're pro-choice, then why did you think that suicide is a cowardly way of dying? That's their choice, is it not?
 
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post Sep 11 2004, 04:26 PM
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For the most part, I'm For - Pro Abortions.
I know that in some religions, it's something that is strongly detested but I beg to differ. People who are raped have the right to abort the baby, they never asked for it, it was the cause of a crime that never should've been done. Depriving them of this option is wrong, it's not fair. I know life isn't fair, but don't you think the victims have suffered enough from the crime already? And now, they have to take care of a baby by themself, one of which they never wanted in the first place. Yes, they are killing "life" growing inside them, so to speak...but if we were to save every aborted/stillborn baby in the world, the population would increase dramatically, which might not be the best thing that'll happen to the human race considering we'll have less food/water to feed off of.

However, if a baby is accidentally conceived through unprotected sex, then I don't think it's right. I'm still caught in-between on Sex Before Marriage, although I was taught it was wrong...but in the world we live in now, it's hard to stay pure. But I have been, although there has been some temptations, and I'm proud of myself.
 
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post Sep 11 2004, 06:22 PM
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Um...how much of this topic have you read? mellow.gif
 
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post Sep 11 2004, 06:33 PM
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alright well my brother has a phD in genetics and I want to convey his opinons..well he says that the fetus itself is not a human being. It's just a cloak of cells, during the blastula stage and it can develop outside the cell (why do you think the embryonic stem cell research is so amazing? you can take one fetus and it will divide infinitely and you have a constant source of oragns) but that's the million dollar question how do you do it?

ok that was introduction..now is abortion okay? it would have to depend on the situation. I know a lot of girls who are 15 and have had an abortion. is it okay? that's not the question I think it's whatever you feel right I can't force you to do anything. it's your choice and it's really hard to make a descision without been in the situation
 
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post Sep 11 2004, 09:14 PM
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Okay, so what about the future human's choice?
 
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post Sep 11 2004, 10:49 PM
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I'm prolife all the way and I disagree with woman aborting babies. Even if it is some cells, I don't think you should get rid of them cuz its a life. Your caring around something that will grow up to have a life. But I don't know about the abortion if you've gotten raped. It's kind of hard to explain to your child, if you don't abort it, that you have no idea who the dad is cuz some guy decided to rape you but I guess it's even worse if you do abort it because then you'll have to carry that in your consciense. You'll always wonder what would have happened if you had let that baby come into your life. My mom thought about having an abortion when she was about to have me and even though she didnt, the thought about it really bothered her throughtout her life. When she did tell me, she was crying and apologizing so much. So I strongly disagree with abortion, especially if you've been really careless and didn't use a condom like some people.

About the population increasin, I agree that trying to save every single child would increase the population dramatically. The only way that would prevent it from happenin would be from stop having sex but I guess that's a whole nother story. Our world is just filled with filth nowadays, I don't think we could do anything about the population increasing cuz people would still have unprotected sex no matter what.

Man, this topic is very touchy.
 
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post Sep 12 2004, 01:47 AM
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And if you're pro-choice, then why did you think that suicide is a cowardly way of dying? That's their choice, is it not?


it is their choice and , after it's done, theres nothing i can do about it but have an opinion.

it's like that saying "i may not agree with what you're saying, but i'll fight to the death for your right to say it". replace "say" with "do" and reduce it from the point of being a martyr and you've got my philosophy.
 
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post Sep 13 2004, 03:05 AM
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I don't care how much good light you shine on abortion, it's still murder no matter what. True, that fetus is only how small? and yes, it only was a mistake but that's not the kind of solution to a measley MISTAKE. That little fetus might some day been somebody great, might have someting to change the world some how... live a happy life...and who are you to take away that opportunity? Who are you to rip the little bit of life that they had away from them?

I would really like somebody to explain to me how it is against the law to kill a, say, twenty year old man but it's, legally, pefectly fine to kill a, say, 5 week old fetus. How do you justify doing something like that?

Yes, it might ruin your future. Yes, it's a mistake and you want to learn from it. BUT there's not always the easy way out. You might have been raped and it's not your fault but why should the blame fall on the life inside you? This is called life. Dreams change. Life goes on...if you let it.
 
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post Sep 14 2004, 11:02 AM
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QUOTE(thesweetescape @ Sep 13 2004, 3:05 AM)
I don't care how much good light you shine on abortion, it's still murder no matter what. True, that fetus is only how small? and yes, it only was a mistake but that's not the kind of solution to a measley MISTAKE. That little fetus might some day been somebody great, might have someting to change the world some how... live a happy life...and who are you to take away that opportunity?

I agree that it's not a small thing to kill a fetus. In fact, you said it yourself that abortion is life changing, and anything that can be said to have such an effect on one's life shouldn't be taken lightly.

However, to say that to kill the fetus because it might become something great is very problematic because contraception prevents the possible creation of a fetus that also can become something great. So since contraception prevents the beginning of life and taking the opportunity of greatness away as well, shouldn't we be against using it?

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Who are you to rip the little bit of life that they had away from them?


Who made it possible for the life to exist in the first place? Does a fetus have more right than a full grown human to live happily or are we equal? And not to mention that I can easily turn your question around to ask: who are you to rip the chance of normalcy away from the woman?

No, I'm not completely pro-choice because I recognize that repeated irresponsibility shouldn't deserve second chances. But I do believe that ignorance, innocent mistake, and desperation should be taken into consideration.

Morally, it is a wrong thing to do, but logically, it sometimes is the only thing to do.
 
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post Sep 19 2004, 10:16 PM
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Trees, and flowers, and plants are living.. and we cut them down everyday.. A woman should be able to choose what she wants to do with her "baby".. Keep it, or abort it. You were raped, by a 48 year old crack head.. would you keep it? Any girl old enough to have sex, and make that decision, should be able to make the choice to keep it or not. I say, it's her choice.
 
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post Sep 20 2004, 07:36 PM
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i am totally against it. i don't see a reason to kill the baby when you could give birth to it and give it up for adoption. <---a better solution than killing it!

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post Sep 23 2004, 12:03 AM
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Abortions are downright cruel, if you have a child you should take up the responsiblity. Babies are too small to defend themselves, technically you're killing someone...people who get abortions are technically killing people...shouldn't they go to jail.
 
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post Sep 23 2004, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE(LadyXTor @ Sep 23 2004, 12:03 AM)
Abortions are downright cruel, if you have a child you should take up the responsiblity. Babies are too small to defend themselves, technically you're killing someone...people who get abortions are technically killing people...shouldn't they go to jail.

i agree that they should be responsible about it, but isn't abortion sort of a way of being responsible? you can't afford a baby, so prevent it from ruining your life?
 
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post Sep 25 2004, 09:01 PM
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Hm..well Im not going to repeat opinions over and over...I agree with most of what ComradeRed was saying, and thats alot to type out.

The only thing I wanted to add was that, to the people a few pages back talking about the risks of abortion, only 1 person in every 100,000 dies, as apposed to 7 per 100,000 childbirths (www.plannedparenthood.com)...Yet another reason for a young mom to go with an abortion *if thats what she wants*..Just my opinion though
 
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post Sep 26 2004, 03:03 AM
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Normally, my first reaction would be against it. I think that no matter what stage of pregnancy a woman is in, the baby is a human being, and deserves to be treated as one. I think killing it just to get out of the responsibility is sick and wrong..........

until I found out my cousin was pregnant.

Everyone says that when you're asked for your opinion on a certain subject, you say what you really feel, but it's hard to really feel what you're saying unless you've actually been in the situation. When I found out about my cousin, I knew the only reason she wanted the baby was to somehow "bind" her boyfriend to her. He tried repeatedly to break up with her, and I guess she saw this as a way to keep him. But when he found out about it, he refused to have anything to do with her and the child. Once that became clear, her only choices were to either have the baby and care for it without him, or abort the baby. I know that caring for the baby without him would've been extremely hard for her, and I personally didn't know if aborting it were a good or a bad thing.

Basically, I think abortion is a matter of choice, depending on the mother. I don't like the thought of killing innocent children before they even begin to experience life, but not all circumstances are the same.
 
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post Sep 30 2004, 09:21 AM
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im in favor of having women make their own choices but i do think its very brutual i mean if you look it up online the procedures are terrible... i mean i think its silly to use it as birthcontrol the numbers arent real of course doctors lie to make it look that less women die and less are injured each year, its not difficult to not get pregnant just educate yourself ansf protect yourself no need to jump to a surgery to 'fix' your problems...
 
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post Oct 4 2004, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE(JL14 @ Sep 28 2004, 1:40 PM)
what i dont get is if a woman get killed while being pregnant it counts as two murders ... but when a woman get an abortion its called choice?!
i dunno im always changing my opinions on these stuff  ermm.gif

I completely understand your logic and our world is in great need of compassion.

However on the other side of the arguement, I can say that we live in a democracy where "choice" is the foundation of our nation and the word outlines our life style. Yet in the case of abortion, we force a woman to accept our supposed moral decisions, and take away her freedom to choose in the process?

I say "supposed" because our moral decision for one side can make the other side suffer. In other words, we would save the life of that child in the expense of the woman (in the case of deadly diseases), or the suffering of a woman (in the case of rape).
 
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i agree that they should be responsible about it, but isn't abortion sort of a way of being responsible? you can't afford a baby, so prevent it from ruining your life?

or you can be responsible and not have sex, until you are ready.
 
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post Oct 6 2004, 11:22 PM
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i guess it's different for everyone.........


BUT...

I'm against abortion.

one of my friends is here right now cause his MOMMY didn't do abortion. thank GOD.
 
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post Oct 6 2004, 11:33 PM
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i ask all pro life people to do something:

if you're a girl, have a period. wow., you killed a potiential baby.

or...

for everyone:

cut yourself. wow. you just kill tons and tons of cells with the potential to become a human. - every cell carries all the DNA of you.

you're evil!!!!

you're killiing millions of babies!!!!

those cells!!

ahhh the murder!!!!
i accidently cut myself yesterday...
i killed a thousand babies!!!



untill you can take the baby out and keep it alive, it's not murder. the baby is a parasite, feeding off the mother, untill it is born.
 
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post Oct 7 2004, 05:50 PM
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Abortion- should be your choice.. I mean I dont get it, how it should be a law and all. Its the persons' life, let them deal with it, not you. Same with a lot of other laws. But if it were to be a law, its be best if it wass illegal ^^ cause yeah, for the obvious its killing an innocent one. But in cases of rape or anything.. should be allowed. uck sick when you think of it :S
 
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post Nov 3 2004, 01:38 AM
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in my own opinion i think it counts as a baby when the sperm first enters the egg and the cells begin to multiply. i noe thats not scientifically correct or wuteva but thats how i feel about it, like if i had unprotected sex i wouldnt even feel comfortable takin one of those morning after pills. so i think abortions should only be allowed in rape, or if the girl is really young 15 and under, because i noe by then they should be able to make their own decisions but some girls are still really niive (sp?) and believe anything the guys tell them. so yea
 
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abortion IS wrong...if u dont want to get preggie use CONDOMS....they help a lot,if u get pregnant,the baby is your responsability...u shld think about the consequences bfore having sex!!!!
 
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post Nov 3 2004, 06:27 PM
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let me ask all you anti-freedom people ( pro-life as you call it)

is a death certificate required for abortions?

is a death certificate required for miscarraiges?

is using anti-biotics, cutting your hand, or sneezing murder?
 

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