Abortion Options

[BabypeachesLR]

I'm agaisnt Abortion, although i understand if a mother didnt want the baby but still why not just have it there is always another option other than abortion there is always Adoption, there are many other women in the world who would dream of being mothers, sometimes teenage girls that get pregant n have them wine up keeping there babies none the less take very good care of it.

[OriskybusinessO]

ok, but there are plenty of children to adopt already.

and, you would still have to go through nine months where you might not be able to work and have an income. plus labor.

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ok, but there are plenty of children to adopt already.

and, you would still have to go through nine months where you might not be able to work and have an income. plus labor.

Um well thats why they pay you when you cant work when your pregnant.And being pregnant is not going to stop you from having income tax,income tax is money for the number of children you have,the more you have the more you get,and the rest is from your taxes.So what if there are plenty of children to adopt.Dont takes it life,let it live and become something.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

Women do not always get paid when they're pregnant and are unable to work. What if they're not working to begin with?

And the tax return, or whatever you call it, certianly isn't enough to support a child every year.

[sadolakced acid]

thats the most dumist sh-t i ever read.

likewise.

really now, if you don't have anything worthy to say, don't say it.

[*This Confession*]

http://www.abort73.com

watch the 2nd video.

[*AngelicEyz00*]

http://www.abort73.com

watch the 2nd video.

Where's the second video?

[*This Confession*]

^when you first go to the site, this video comes up
and theres a link under it that tells you to cont. to the next page or video

something like that
click that.

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Women do not always get paid when they're pregnant and are unable to work. What if they're not working to begin with?

And the tax return, or whatever you call it, certianly isn't enough to support a child every year.

No you get ALOT of money from income tax,It depends what you spent,whose your dealer because some may try to mess you over and it gets higher the money for every child you have.Either way you get some what of alot of money even if you only have that one child.You still get enough to support it.And also if they're not working to begin with then,thats their problem because they should be the adult or the teen they are,and get their a$$es up and take some responsebility or get welfare or something.There are options.And if they are working and since income tax is alot of money,well sometimes if you have a bad worker you will only get like 1000$ as income,but still if the woman is working and the dad is there to help and wants to be there and is working.Then there is no problem.Because a woman who is smart and will think right,will automatically go and do what they have to do for their child.Even if it means taking a crappy job or working more then one job.

[BabypeachesLR]

ok, but there are plenty of children to adopt already.

and, you would still have to go through nine months where you might not be able to work and have an income. plus labor.

ok i understand that but, still would u rather live with a gulit all ur lyfe knowing u killin an innocnet human being??? have u even seen what happens in an abortion??? its not so easy to have an abortion...n if the mother wants one i hope u knoe Abortions cost money n lyke Leon sed when ur pregnant the government supports u those whole nine months.

[smoke]

I've known three women who've had an abortion. My uncles ex-girlfriend, my ex-girlfriends brothers ex-girlfriend, and one of my best friend's sister.

All three of them have said that they regret every moment of it and they'll never feel the same about themselves again. They feel low and like the child's blood is on their hands. If it's just a lump of unorganized cells, then how does it cause such emotion?

[Comptine]

we never said that a fetus couldn't cause emotional turmoil. we're here to argue that women should still have the right to make decisions about her own body.

btw, cells of a fetus are not unorganized. there's no way a random cells can build a stable foundation for a human being.

that's not an argument for pro-life or pro-choice. you're just pointing out that there's a risk of emotional turmoil for women who choose an abortion.

[AngelinaTaylor]

No you get ALOT of money from income tax,It depends what you spent,whose your dealer because some may try to mess you over and it gets higher the money for every child you have.Either way you get some what of alot of money even if you only have that one child.You still get enough to support it.And also if they're not working to begin with then,thats their problem because they should be the adult or the teen they are,and get their a$$es up and take some responsebility or get welfare or something.There are options.And if they are working and since income tax is alot of money,well sometimes if you have a bad worker you will only get like 1000$ as income,but still if the woman is working and the dad is there to help and wants to be there and is working.Then there is no problem.Because a woman who is smart and will think right,will automatically go and do what they have to do for their child.Even if it means taking a crappy job or working more then one job.

Let me ask you this - are you working? They should be the "teen" they are? It's not very likely for teens to work, you know, especially young teens.

"still if the woman is working and the dad is there to help and wants to be there and is working."

You need a serious grammar lessons, but I'm not here to educate you on that. I didn't understand it first, but anyway. You ever heard of single mothers? Yeah. Because that happens, buddy. You talk a lot of shit, but I would love to see how you would handle a child at your age. Honestly.

And not everyone will pay you when you're pregnat and aren't able to work.

To everyone who said the fetus has rights or is human:

A fetus does not have a right to be in the womb of any woman, but is only in there by her permission. This permission may be revoked by the woman at any time. Rights are not permissions; permissions are not rights. This permission is given by the woman, because it is her body -- and not the fetus's body, and certainly not the government's body.

To give a fetus "rights" superior to a pregnant woman is to eradicate the woman's right to her body. The principle here is: any right that contradicts the right of another cannot be a right, as rights form an integrated whole. Contrary to the opinion of anti-lifers (falsely called "pro-lifers" as they are against the life of the actual human being involved) a woman is not a breeding pig.

"Isn't the fetus "life", and therefore has a right to life?"

You are equivocating on the term "life" which is a concept that includes everything that is living. Dogs are "life" but they do not have rights. What about ants? So are trees "life", yet they do not have rights (contrary to the mouthing of man-hating environmentalists). Rights only apply to human beings, and not to human tissue.

Rights apply to human beings, because only human beings survive by the use of reason (unlike dogs, trees, ants -- and fetuses). Rights only apply to human beings, because only human beings -- and not parts of beings -- survive by reason. Please keep in mind what a right is: a right is a moral sanction for freedom of action in a social context. A fetus has no rights, as it does not need freedom to take any actions, but survives on the sustenance of its host. The only action it must take is nothing, i.e., wait for itself to develop using the sustenance provided by its host.

http://www.capitalism.org/faq/abortion.htm

Taylor``

I don't think anyone who is against abortion really responded to that.

[sadolakced acid]

I've known three women who've had an abortion. My uncles ex-girlfriend, my ex-girlfriends brothers ex-girlfriend, and one of my best friend's sister.

All three of them have said that they regret every moment of it and they'll never feel the same about themselves again. They feel low and like the child's blood is on their hands. If it's just a lump of unorganized cells, then how does it cause such emotion?

because of right wing propoganda.

[smoke]

we never said that a fetus couldn't cause emotional turmoil. we're here to argue that women should still have the right to make decisions about her own body.

btw, cells of a fetus are not unorganized. there's no way a random cells can build a stable foundation for a human being.

that's not an argument for pro-life or pro-choice. you're just pointing out that there's a risk of emotional turmoil for women who choose an abortion.

Yeahh, I know. I fully aware of what we're here to debate about, thanks.

I was kidding when I said unorganized. That's a term I've heard from an anti-life'er

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Let me ask you this - are you working? They should be the "teen" they are? It's not very likely for teens to work, you know, especially young teens.

"still if the woman is working and the dad is there to help and wants to be there and is working."

You need a serious grammar lessons, but I'm not here to educate you on that. I didn't understand it first, but anyway. You ever heard of single mothers? Yeah. Because that happens, buddy. You talk a lot of shit, but I would love to see how you would handle a child at your age. Honestly.

And not everyone will pay you when you're pregnat and aren't able to work.
I don't think anyone who is against abortion really responded to that.

OK watch your self,Because first of all where the hell do you get off saying i talk alot sh-t!?You should really be the one to talk really taylor..........................Secondly yes i do work,And i also take care of a one year old child,and i take care of her very well.But dont bring that "your not a woman so you wouldnt understand"shitty line because it takes 2 to make 1.

-Im fully aware of the fact of single mothers,i have a single mother,and i know plenty of them.To me your being closed minded not including the father because its not the father who may always leave.So check your self.

-And dont say i talk so much shit when its the other way around boo,you the one who likes to talk alot of sh-t not me,i simply tell it is like it is or say what i feel.

-Also the job has to do a whole process stating why you cant work,so while the woman is not able to work,she will still get money to pay her rent and bills.And if the babies daddy is there to support his wife,by working and buying things they need,Then there should be no problem Buddy.

[sadolakced acid]

hahaha tell that to the thousands of women on welfare.

[BabypeachesLR]

ok Angelina Taylor u think Abortion is ok but have u even seen what happens to the baby when u get injected with Saline??? or have u seen a picture of a baby D&E {Dilation and Evacuation} Huh??? well guess wat most teenage girls that get an abortion end up on a bad road because of self hatered??? after they see there babies being taken out of them n placed in a bucket they begin to realized wat they have done....they took an innocent lyfe who never done nothing wrong who's only mistake was being put in a women's whom that didnt want it after that, they start hatng them self n soon they start a destructive lyfe of having sex with many men, drugs and Alcohol...they sexually abuse them self just because they think they deserve it for wat they have done...although some do, but sum dont...but still most teens give up on lyfe n just start destory what they had bulit of themselves.

!Watch this Video!
http://www.cpforlife.org/HTMLobj-2633/hardtruth.wmv

and this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPM09oJWoPU

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ok Angelina Taylor u think Abortion is ok but have u even seen what happens to the baby when u get injected with Saline??? or have u seen a picture of a baby D&E {Dilation and Evacuation} Huh??? well guess wat most teenage girls that get an abortion end up on a bad road because of self hatered??? after they see there babies being taken out of them n placed in a bucket they begin to realized wat they have done....they took an innocent lyfe who never done nothing wrong who's only mistake was being put in a women's whom that didnt want it after that they start ghatng them self n soon they start a destructive lyfe of having sex with many men, drugs and Alcohol...they sexually abuse them self just because they think they deserve it for wat they have done...although some do, but sum dont...but still most teens give up on lyfe n just start destory what they had bulit of themselves.

!Watch this Video!
http://www.cpforlife.org/HTMLobj-2633/hardtruth.wmv

and this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPM09oJWoPU

I agree with you all the way.Nice facts i lub em.

[sadolakced acid]

dude lyke totally lubbable facts

that wyll change my lyfe.

[AngelinaTaylor]

OK watch your self,Because first of all where the hell do you get off saying i talk alot sh-t!?You should really be the one to talk really taylor..........................Secondly yes i do work,And i also take care of a one year old child,and i take care of her very well.But dont bring that "your not a woman so you wouldnt understand"shitty line because it takes 2 to make 1.

-Im fully aware of the fact of single mothers,i have a single mother,and i know plenty of them.To me your being closed minded not including the father because its not the father who may always leave.So check your self.

-And dont say i talk so much shit when its the other way around boo,you the one who likes to talk alot of sh-t not me,i simply tell it is like it is or say what i feel.

-Also the job has to do a whole process stating why you cant work,so while the woman is not able to work,she will still get money to pay her rent and bills.And if the babies daddy is there to support his wife,by working and buying things they need,Then there should be no problem Buddy.

I don't see you answering the other part of my post :) I wonder why that is.

I see where you're coming from. Oh and sure, you take care of a one-year-old child, but I don't think you take care of him/her the way a parent would have to. So check your "facts" again.

"But dont bring that "your not a woman so you wouldnt understand"shitty line because it takes 2 to make 1."

I don't see the father having to carry a fetus for 9 months. Am I wrong? I will say it, because it's true. You're not a woman, so you wouldn't understand.

And by the way, you talking shit is obvious from far away, but that's just my humble opinion. We're entitled to those, I hear.

ok Angelina Taylor u think Abortion is ok but have u even seen what happens to the baby when u get injected with Saline??? or have u seen a picture of a baby D&E {Dilation and Evacuation} Huh??? well guess wat most teenage girls that get an abortion end up on a bad road because of self hatered??? after they see there babies being taken out of them n placed in a bucket they begin to realized wat they have done....they took an innocent lyfe who never done nothing wrong who's only mistake was being put in a women's whom that didnt want it after that, they start hatng them self n soon they start a destructive lyfe of having sex with many men, drugs and Alcohol...they sexually abuse them self just because they think they deserve it for wat they have done...although some do, but sum dont...but still most teens give up on lyfe n just start destory what they had bulit of themselves.

!Watch this Video!
http://www.cpforlife.org/HTMLobj-2633/hardtruth.wmv

and this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPM09oJWoPU

Whoa, whoa, whoa, man, you already planned the whole life of a woman who just had an abortion.. hahaha. Only if it worked that way. That's not always the case though.. don't be so closed-minded in that aspect.

Yes I do know what happens. Yes I have seen pictures and whatnot. A very close friend of mine had an abortion, and I think she did the right thing. Mind you, she thinks so too. So don't jump into conclusions so fast.

Strange, no one read the second half of my post.

[sadolakced acid]

let's just go back to eating babies, modest proposal style.

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I don't see you answering the other part of my post :) I wonder why that is.

I see where you're coming from. Oh and sure, you take care of a one-year-old child, but I don't think you take care of him/her the way a parent would have to. So check your "facts" again.

"But dont bring that "your not a woman so you wouldnt understand"shitty line because it takes 2 to make 1."

I don't see the father having to carry a fetus for 9 months. Am I wrong? I will say it, because it's true. You're not a woman, so you wouldn't understand.

And by the way, you talking shit is obvious from far away, but that's just my humble opinion. We're entitled to those, I hear.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, man, you already planned the whole life of a woman who just had an abortion.. hahaha. Only if it worked that way. That's not always the case though.. don't be so closed-minded in that aspect.

Yes I do know what happens. Yes I have seen pictures and whatnot. A very close friend of mine had an abortion, and I think she did the right thing. Mind you, she thinks so too. So don't jump into conclusions so fast.

Strange, no one read the second half of my post.

Ok mamita watch your self and do us a favor and stop talking so much sh-t.Because really thats what your doing.

-To answer your response(s) i have to that first of all yes i do take of the one year old in a very parental way.And i can have babypeachlr tell you that because thats my best friend and she sees me watching the baby.So reallly check your self.

-And i knew you would say this "I don't see the father having to carry a fetus for 9 months. Am I wrong? I will say it, because it's true. You're not a woman, so you wouldn't understand."Typical you.

Im guessing the reason why you probaly dont include the father doing any,trying to make him sound so lowsy and bummish is because you probaly had a boyfriend,you had one of those bad break ups and he left you.So now you got that thought in your thick head thinking all fathers walk out on their wifes when they pregnant.Well not everyone of them do.

-For example did you know that the man has to deal with the wife b-tching like you do?or that he works more than he has to,so that he can buy things for the up coming baby and buy things for the house and pay rent,bills,e.t.c?!Or that he has to deal with her craving for alot of things that they probaly dont have at the local stores so he has to go all the way across town just to get it for her?I dont think so.But thats what im guessing that happened to you,your man left you and you had one of those bad break ups,and because he left you think all men leave out?Well thats just me guessing but correct me if im wrong.

[sakaitone]

To be honest, I didn't read the other 51 pages but you all seem angry at each other for believing in thier own opinion.

How can we decide a fetus inside of the someone is less important than the mother? How can we decide that?

I don't think abortion is right because, we never give it a chance to grow, that fetus you're killing could have been someone who had the solution to gobal warming or AIDS but now we'll never know, will we?

[BlueDevilMax007]

thats the most dumist sh-t i ever read.

u must not read much. most of the other ppl have had good and valid counters to my stance on the subject (since this is the debate forum)... but u r just takin up space with bitchy comments like that!

with that said, back to the debate...
most of u say that ppl should quite having sex instead of killing a life, and i agree with that. but the reality is that thats not gonna happen. it would be nice if it did, cause then we would only have parents that are ready to be parents. im just being realistic.

someone also said the the overpopulation is a result of modern medicine keeping ppl alive that wouldnt be able to stay alive on thier own. i agree with that. burning down all the hospitals and killing our health care system isnt very realistic, and it shouldnt be done anyway.

ive been told (i think it was my high school history teacher) that the government in India will pay for the abortion. they do this to counter the overpopulation. its not enough to fix the problem, but it helps a little.