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 Oct 22 2005, 09:08 PM
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 Jus Sweet Chocolate  Group: Member Posts: 739 Joined: Aug 2005 Member No: 216,959  |
QUOTE(pandamonium @ Oct 22 2005, 1:48 PM) WHY DO WE NEED AN EXCUSE FOR LIKING SOMEONE ? WHAT FOR? THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHY DO YOU HAVE AN EXCUSE TO LIKE GIRLS? IT REALLY REALLY DOESNT MAKE SENSE. YOU ARE MAKING MY HEAD HURT CAUSE THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE SENSE IN WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. WELL YOUR FRIEND IS STUPID, HOW DO YOU CHOSE TO BE GAY, YOU DONT CHOSE YOU JUST ARE, DEPENDING ON THE RELATIONSHIP AND HOW THEY FEEL TORWARDS ONE PERSON IS HOW YOU FIGURE OUT. SO YOUR FRIEND HE CHOSE TO BE GAY, SO HE IS ATTRACTED TO GIRLS BUT WANTS TO LIKE GUYS? CAUSE THATS WHAT IM GETTING OUT OF YOUR POST.  PEOPLE ARE NOT, BORN GAY!!! thats what i am saying. i dont know why they need an excuse. i just think that they just say they are born gay, because they really dont kno why they like the same sex. i have a couple of gay friends and when myself and other people ask them why, they just say "becuase",or somethin stupid like" its none of your business". i have never heard any gay person say exactly why they are gay? i mean, to me i think it is just there choice. and wut are u talking about "HOW DO U CHOOSE TO BE GAY"? ITS NOT THAT HARD! how are people bisexual? did they just come out liking both sexes?!?! |
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Oct 22 2005, 09:12 PM
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CHYEAAHHH MAN Group: Member Posts: 1,255 Joined: Jul 2005 Member No: 168,013 |
QUOTE(jEllyBeaNs @ Oct 22 2005, 10:08 PM) i have never heard any gay person say exactly why they are gay? i mean, to me i think it is just there choice. How are you straight? Is it just your choice? So technically we are all bisexual and if you're straight you just choose to overshadow the homosexual part? |
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Oct 22 2005, 09:17 PM
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Jus Sweet Chocolate Group: Member Posts: 739 Joined: Aug 2005 Member No: 216,959 |
QUOTE(Lo Mein @ Oct 22 2005, 10:12 PM) How are you straight? Is it just your choice? So technically we are all bisexual and if you're straight you just choose to overshadow the homosexual part? huh?  srry im not tryin to be mean or anything, but u lost me. yea, i chose to be straight. i dont see wut your point is. but u lost me on, how technically we are all bisexual.
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Oct 22 2005, 09:32 PM
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QUOTE(jEllyBeaNs @ Oct 22 2005, 9:08 PM) PEOPLE ARE NOT, BORN GAY!!! thats what i am saying. i dont know why they need an excuse. i just think that they just say they are born gay, because they really dont kno why they like the same sex. How do you know they're not saying that because they really believe they're born gay? QUOTE and wut are u talking about "HOW DO U CHOOSE TO BE GAY"? ITS NOT THAT HARD! how are people bisexual? did they just come out liking both sexes?!?! Umm... yes? Maybe? That's what we're trying to figure out. I don't choose to like cheesecake. I just do. |
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Oct 23 2005, 12:46 AM
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 "Silly me, I thought this was a free country" Group: Human Posts: 1,666 Joined: Nov 2004 Member No: 60,913 |
I'm bisexual...
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Oct 23 2005, 02:21 AM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 650 Joined: Jan 2005 Member No: 84,519 |
QUOTE(simx @ Oct 23 2005, 12:46 AM) I'm bisexual... You bisexuals.... Just make up your minds already.... ...... I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding! 
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Oct 23 2005, 02:41 AM
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"Silly me, I thought this was a free country" Group: Human Posts: 1,666 Joined: Nov 2004 Member No: 60,913 |
QUOTE(eunie03 @ Oct 23 2005, 2:21 AM) You bisexuals.... Just make up your minds already.... ...... I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding! *shrug* well right now I prefer girls more... but some days it changes 
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Oct 23 2005, 03:02 AM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 650 Joined: Jan 2005 Member No: 84,519 |
QUOTE(simx @ Oct 23 2005, 2:41 AM) *shrug* well right now I prefer girls more... but some days it changes Boys are trouble, anyway 
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Oct 23 2005, 08:59 AM
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Boys indeed are stupid, confusing creatures.
 Anywho. I don't believe gay people are born gay. You aren't born straight, are you? Did you have the desire to kiss someone of the opposite sex when you were five? Or did you think they had cooties and you couldn't touch them? I'm a girl and I didn't really like boys. They were icky. I had no attraction until I went through puberty. Isn't that when people grow up and develop their pituitary (sp?) gland? The pituitary gland causes sexual attraction. You don't become attracted to people before you go through puberty. Think, people. And read my other theory. No one agrees with it? I mean, really, it seems most logical. That's how they explain depression, too. Imbalance of hormones.
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Oct 23 2005, 10:21 AM
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 Sing to Me Group: Member Posts: 1,825 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 10,808 |
i think it can be a whole host of problems. i mostly believe in hormonal imbalance but i've met someone who originally liked girls but she was such a fcuking bitch to him and after that he just kept on going out with horrible girls. so slowly, he got to thinking that guys would be a better match.
btw, i've seen six year old kissing and growing out. >< and then there were little kids doing sexual activities. |
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Oct 23 2005, 12:02 PM
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Yea, but that's due to influence from media and their parents and whatnot. When you were six, did you ever really think "Hey that guy's pretty attractive
"? No.
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Oct 23 2005, 12:53 PM
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 Don't wake ghostie. Group: Official Member Posts: 3,546 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 2,405 |
QUOTE Boys indeed are stupid, confusing creatures. hammer.gif Anywho. I don't believe gay people are born gay. You aren't born straight, are you? Did you have the desire to kiss someone of the opposite sex when you were five? Or did you think they had cooties and you couldn't touch them? I'm a girl and I didn't really like boys. They were icky. I had no attraction until I went through puberty. Isn't that when people grow up and develop their pituitary (sp?) gland? The pituitary gland causes sexual attraction. You don't become attracted to people before you go through puberty. Think, people. And read my other theory. No one agrees with it? I mean, really, it seems most logical. mellow.gif That's how they explain depression, too. Imbalance of hormones. I don't think anyone could have said it better. I was attracted to Barney and crayons when I was six. |
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Oct 23 2005, 02:35 PM
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Its impossible to be 100% either one...Thats why we have parents that both have brown hair and they give birth to a kid with blonde hair, which would be nature. That doesnt have anything to do with WHO they are as a person. That's due to what is called "life changing experiences" or "epiphanies", the nurture. Nobody is BORN a mass murderer, they get that way becuse of how they are treated in life. Do you think the Columbine kids planned that shooting? No, they were abused, rejected, mistreated, and scorned throughout life and thats what warped their minds...Nurture...Being 6'8" or having abnormally slow metabolism, having blonde hair and green eyes is nature, you cant help that, but each person can help how they react to situations.
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Oct 23 2005, 03:39 PM
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This should be merged with the "are you born gay?" topic.
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Oct 23 2005, 03:57 PM
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Jus Sweet Chocolate Group: Member Posts: 739 Joined: Aug 2005 Member No: 216,959 |
QUOTE(murderous_thoughts @ Oct 23 2005, 3:35 PM) Its impossible to be 100% either one...Thats why we have parents that both have brown hair and they give birth to a kid with blonde hair, which would be nature. That doesnt have anything to do with WHO they are as a person. That's due to what is called "life changing experiences" or "epiphanies", the nurture. Nobody is BORN a mass murderer, they get that way becuse of how they are treated in life. Do you think the Columbine kids planned that shooting? No, they were abused, rejected, mistreated, and scorned throughout life and thats what warped their minds...Nurture...Being 6'8" or having abnormally slow metabolism, having blonde hair and green eyes is nature, you cant help that, but each person can help how they react to situations. OmG i love you! ppl choose to be gay. like u said ppl aren't born mass murders, ppl aren't born to kill other ppl. so how are ppl just born gay, and others not? |
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Oct 23 2005, 04:56 PM
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Sing to Me Group: Member Posts: 1,825 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 10,808 |
^ uh... he's not saying that at all. he's saying that people aren't born gay but turn gay because of trauma or other life-changing situations. he's saying that people aren't born gay but because of special circumstances, they become gay.
that's the reason some people are gay and some aren't. because some people grew up in different situations. there's some flaws in that theory. a majority of homosexuals were raised by heterosexuals and a lot were even raised in strong religious families. how does a heterosexual couple nuture a child to become homosexual? |
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Oct 23 2005, 04:59 PM
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Don't wake ghostie. Group: Official Member Posts: 3,546 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 2,405 |
Why the hell are you comparing mass murders to gay people, I find that very offensive! I don't think that was the right way to say what you were trying to express.
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Oct 23 2005, 05:17 PM
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 Don't worry guys, size doesn't matter...to lesbians Group: Member Posts: 2,444 Joined: Jan 2005 Member No: 85,066 |
^Some people are just cruel like that. (although he isn;t comparing mass murderers to gay people, he was using the example of HOW someone becomes someone. Even though it sounded harsh, it is kinda true how someone becomes who they are)
If it just me but do I feel like I am using gay people as a "lab rat" for an experiment? I don't like the idea of doubting homosexuality *edit* you know, I agree with the people who said you're not born gay or straight. When I was young I hated boys for being stupid and i liked anime a lot now i am all throwing myself for boys. I think it's more of influence that makes someone gay but really, I don't want to judge someone how they become who they are. Maybe it;s better to ask someone who IS gay but then again they might not know it themselves. It just happens. If you're born gay, then you must have gay DNA in you. But there is no such thing as gay DNA. It's just like that. |
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Oct 23 2005, 05:20 PM
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Jus Sweet Chocolate Group: Member Posts: 739 Joined: Aug 2005 Member No: 216,959 |
QUOTE(Endless_Symphony @ Oct 23 2005, 5:56 PM) ^ uh... he's not saying that at all. he's saying that people aren't born gay but turn gay because of trauma or other life-changing situations. he's saying that people aren't born gay but because of special circumstances, they become gay. that's the reason some people are gay and some aren't. because some people grew up in different situations. there's some flaws in that theory. a majority of homosexuals were raised by heterosexuals and a lot were even raised in strong religious families. how does a heterosexual couple nuture a child to become homosexual? ok. thx for restating it for me 
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Oct 23 2005, 05:49 PM
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 dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
people are born predisposed to be gay or straight.
it's in the genes. and as strange as it may sound, gayness is a pretty good trait for ensuring the survival of a species. straight males often assert thier dominance. Male lions will kill or kick out thier male young. They will kill all male young when they take over a pride. however, if the dominant male fails to produce male offspring, and with no other males, the group will die out. gay males, therefore, are a saftey net. they are not killed as competition by straight males, because they are not. however, when they are the last ones left, with encouragement from the females they can ensure the species continues. it's like with wasps, unfertilized wasp eggs develop into males. the female wasp then mates with her male offspring to propogate the species. almost all species has some sort of safety net. gay males may just be humanity's safety net. which would mean, it's genetic. |
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Oct 23 2005, 05:50 PM
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Justin, did you consider my little theory?
Were you born straight? Attracted to females from day one, without influences from media and your parents? When you went through puberty, you felt no change in that? |
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Oct 23 2005, 05:53 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
i'm saying predisposed...
like, when you're born, it's already written in your genes that when you hit puberty you'll be gay or straight... |
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Oct 23 2005, 06:18 PM
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But how could that be if you're not either as a child? Your genes are always there. They don't just appear during puberty. Besides, puberty is alllll about hormones and how they are balanced, where they go. Why wouldn't sexual determination have to deal with that too, seeing as that's when attraction starts?
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Oct 23 2005, 09:01 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
your hormones are set by your genes tho.
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Oct 23 2005, 09:15 PM
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No they're not. O_o You meet a person and are/are not attracted to them based on the balance of your hormones. You think it's set when you're concieved who you're going to be attracted to?
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