are people born gay? Options

[heyyfrankie]

Sorry I'll try not to confuse names anymore.

wait...you got sammi and i confused?

[aznxdreamer]

no i was actually agreeing with you, but now that u just said that it's kinda different now.  people aren't born gay nor do they choose to be, it develops like......your personality. it's not there when ur born, but as you age it develops and forms.  different things contribute to it, situational and environmental factors, attractiveness, etc.

hmm...thats an intersting way of looking at it. ive never thought of it that way, and i guess i kinda agree with it. but i kinda also think that you were born with your personality, right? i mean, alot of gay people are brought up in the same society that we were brought up in and society is what makes up our personalities. wait..did i just totally contradict myself?

[Herizon Action]

Dani said I was born gay!

[Tribal J_Rome]

hmm...thats an intersting way of looking at it. ive never thought of it that way, and i guess i kinda agree with it. but i kinda also think that you were born with your personality, right? i mean, alot of gay people are brought up in the same society that we were brought up in and society is what makes up our personalities. wait..did i just totally contradict myself?

yes u did. u pretty much just restated what i was saying haha. nobody's born with their personalities, it develops as u grow like i said. like say if ur born with a racist family, chances are ur gonna be racist cuz u were taught that way, not born that way.

[*mipadi*]

Dani said I was born gay!

What is this, New Guy Asserts Himself By Name-Dropping Day?

[Herizon Action]

What is this, New Guy Asserts Himself By Name-Dropping Day?

No, it's new guy on phone with dani, being bored out of his mind.

*EDIT*

MICHAEL HATES ME I'm going to cut myself so i can get that much-wanted attention everyone else says I do not deserve. </random>

[aznxdreamer]

yes u did. u pretty much just restated what i was saying haha. nobody's born with their personalities, it develops as u grow like i said. like say if ur born with a racist family, chances are ur gonna be racist cuz u were taught that way, not born that way.

yeah, i guess thats what i was trying to say?

[sikdragon]

really though

it's not a thing of free will, obviously not a fetish......lol

Do you understand the development of a fetish? No, didn't think so. People aren't attracted to torture, pedophilia, beastiality, or any other perversion from birth. It comes from experience, environment, and other unnamed factors that are rarely found. You can prove all of this by taking a course in heredity. Sexual preference falls under a little thing called acquired attributes.

[*mipadi*]

You can prove all of this by taking a course in heredity. Sexual preference falls under a little thing called acquired attributes.

You state that as though it is a widely accepted fact, but the exact nature and "cause" (for lack of a better term) of homsexuality is a hotly debated topic that some believe is caused solely or largely by genes.

[sikdragon]

Debated by the uneducated. It's widely accepted that personality is not derrived from genetics, but upbringing by the unpolitical scientific community.

[*mipadi*]

Debated by the uneducated. It's widely accepted that personality is not derrived from genetics, but upbringing by the unpolitical scientific community.

Can you source that claim?

[sikdragon]

http://adam.about.com/encyclopedia/002048.htm - heredity

If it is infact a disorder, it needs to be treated. If it spreads it could cause the end of humanity. Not the case. If you're gay you aren't going to reproduce. So that leaves carriers, straight people with repressed gay genes. If you want to believe that here is an article encasing evidence against the "Gay" gene. The writer reaches many of the same conclusions i have reached in my study. I just thought i'd give you a little more accessible version.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=28505

I've stated my conclusions. It is an acquired attribute.

[*mipadi*]

"Considerable debate exists over what biological and/or psychological factors produce sexual orientation in humans. Candidates include genes and the exposure of fetuses to certain hormones (or levels thereof). Freud and many others psychologists, particularly in psychoanalytic or developmental traditions, speculate that formative childhood experiences help produced sexual orientation. Other scientists and medical professionals, particularly those in biology-oriented disciplines, tend to believe that in-born factors—whether genetic or acquired in utero—produce characteristically homosexual childhood experiences (such as atypical gender behavior experiences), or at the least significantly contribute to them." [1]

It seems that it is by no means an accepted fact either way.

[Comptine]

http://adam.about.com/encyclopedia/002048.htm - heredity

If it is infact a disorder, it needs to be treated. If it spreads it could cause the end of humanity. Not the case. If you're gay you aren't going to reproduce. So that leaves carriers, straight people with repressed gay genes. If you want to believe that here is an article encasing evidence against the "Gay" gene. The writer reaches many of the same conclusions i have reached in my study. I just thought i'd give you a little more accessible version.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=28505

I've stated my conclusions. It is an acquired attribute.

Having gay couples is actually a good thing. They reabsorb orphans/foster kids back into the family and give them a chance to live a good life.

I have a question. A majority of homosexuals were raised heterosexuals and raised around strong heterosexual values. If homosexuality is an acquired attribute, then how do the majority of homosexuals acquire their sexuality?

[*disco infiltrator*]

Yea, I made that point to my friends yesterday..

"Ok, I don't get it..how do all these people be all 'No abortion, go adoption!' then not allow gay people to get married and adopt these millions of kids they're making be born?...They just want lots and lots of orphans, apparently. Maybe they're making an army of some sort, to combat the world and eat all the starfish."
- Direct quote from myself.

Oh, and Michael..Hezron isn't new. O_o

[Comptine]

^ eat starfish? haha. i had a similiar thought but i theorized that they are starting this massive crusade against our corrupt and oh-so-sinful society.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Well, eating starfish sounded oh-so-much-more interesting. I like to be random like that. Keeps the people laughing.

[Retrogressive]

By saying people are born gay, is like saying they are born defective. Gay people are not defective. When defective cells(ones that cannot reproduce due to a number of different faults) are created, they are meant to be destroyed.

The function of a human life is no more complicated than the function of the life of a cell.

So are you willing to say the people aren't born straight? It narrows everything down to biology and nature doesn't it?

wait...you got sammi and i confused?

Oh, now come on. It could happen to anyone, I don't know either of you too well and your names end with a 'ie' sound.

((cries))

[uLoVeMikeRoch]

Well, what about the people who showed the sign of being gay earlyon. There this thing on Maury, and the one girl got a sex change. So now shes a he. But as a she, she hated wearing dresses ever since she was born. Which means since the age of one. She then hated wearing them as she got older and would rip them up, and was attracted to girls.

How can you explain this? As a baby, she couldn't even talk, but she knew that she wouldn't like wearing dresses and doing things that girls normally would do. She hated it so much, she got a change. Please explain in this scenario, whether or not people are born gay, or turned that way.

[*disco infiltrator*]

I hate dresses too, always have. Does that mean I should be a man?....

[Retrogressive]

I hate dresses too, always have. Does that mean I should be a man?....

Yes.

[demolished]

I'll reply. Haha.
No. We all have different interests. People need to accept the TRUTH ... and deal with it. It wont KILL us.

[yummy_delight]

I'm not sure if it's genetic, but I think homosexuality is definitely NOT a choice. There are people out there who grew up in devout Christian families where it has constantly been drilled into their minds that homosexuality is wrong. But, they are still gay. I know someone who was in a similar situation and he desperately wanted to change his sexuality. He couldn't just flip off the gay switch and become straight, but he tried like hell to do so. He read books, talked to his pastor all the time, and even went to some camp that was meant to turn gay people straight. But, nothing worked.

Obviously, sexual orientation is not determined by choice. If it were, my friend wouldn't have been kicked out of his house.

[saintruthanne]

wow...where do you begin with all the stuff people are saying? okay one person said "homosexual couples are good becuz they adopt and foster kids." okay...so lets have everyone become a homosexual couple...they there won't be anymore people to adopt or foster.

You're not born being a homosexual. Its a choice....becuz homosexuality is NOT natural. If its so darn natural, how come homo couples can't reproduce? becuz its not meant to be that way.

If homosexuals grew up in devout Christian families, who cares? So what if they know its wrong? Obviously they've been exposed to it somewhere, i.e. public school, TV, possibly church....and they might be rebelling or they don't agree with their family that homosexuality is wrong. You know that picking your nose is bad, but you do it anyway right? you know that lying is bad, but you still do it right?

And, by the way, i'm not justifying being kicked out of your house.

[Tribal J_Rome]

^so ur saying u choose to be straight? please, i'm not gay and i'm smart enought to know they don't have a choice. i find that funny, no offense but try doing ur research first next time you try to sound like you know what you're talking about cuz you obviously don't know

so much ignorance in here..