NINTENDO's NEW CONSOLE, dicussion Options

[rAwritsgWeg]

w/e the new ssb is still goijng to be good becuase if you havent noticed the gameplay seems to play much fatser than the previous one lol
and the new zelda is gonna own(though it seems like the learning curve is somwhat slow, or maybe the guy in the video i was watching just sucked ass lol) the virtual console is such a good idea ill be able to play like perfect dark or extreme G 3 with like the controller and thatd be really cool
the thing about the wiconnect24 is also relally cool too. and the mic..!!!! ahcccc all this crazy stuf is.......crazy!!!

I'm actually hoping that Nintendo will try to limit the non-Nintendo characters. I don't want the smash bros franchise to be bastardize. I suppose Snake is fine (just this once though) and I'd be fine with Sonic, but I definitely don't want to see people like Crash Bandicoot or Master Chief.

lol master chief.....he would never be in it lol. unless all three companies join together to create some mega system then i wouldnt expect to see him lol

[ThunderEvermore]

Joystiq poll reveals Wii is a first place machine.

[EddieV]

Wii is the Legend Killer..

[*kryogenix*]

Joystiq poll reveals Wii is a first place machine.

[magicfann]

pc gaming is still the ownage, gg

[*kryogenix*]

pc gaming is still the ownage, gg

Yeah, I think gaming on PCs is a different experience than console gaming (though the two are getting more similar now). However, PC's are still much more expensive than consoles, so console gaming is the way to go for people on a budget.

[*mipadi*]

I think PC gaming is far below console gaming. First of all, the upkeep and maintenance on a PC is far more than on a console. You have to consistently upgrade hardware and update drivers on a PC, which isn't a problem on a console. Console gaming just works.

But the biggest problem is that PC's lack the social aspects of gaming. With a console, you can get several of your friends together and sit around playing a game. It's a bonding experience, so to speak. But the PC is different. Sure, you can game online with a PC (though you can do that with a console, too), but it's not the same as sitting around with actual people, joking around, eating junk food, and blasting each other to hell—in real life.

Console gaming encourages social interaction, whereas PC gaming propagates the stereotype of a lone gamer, disconnected from reality, with no social graces, sitting in a darkened room playing games all by himself.

Kudos to Nintendo for emphasizing the social aspect of gaming. (I still don't like that stupid controller, but I digress.) A lot of kids who grew up with the Nintendo are in their early 30s now, and probably have a family. I think Nintendo's making it easier to bring families together through gaming, which is a really good idea. In my mind, gaming need not be a lonesome activity.

Videogames were a very important part of my childhood (I'll be honest—I didn't have tons of friends so I spent a lot of time playing games), and the best times were having my best friend Noah over to play games. I still remember in fifth grade, staying up all night and beating Super Mario World—together (I was Luigi and he was Mario). Or having another friend or two over to gun each other down in GoldenEye and Perfect Dark (two of our all-time favorites). I used to know a few people in my neighborhood who played GoldenEye, too, and every Saturday we'd get together for mini-tournaments.

I had another friend who had two brothers, and I still remember going down to his house nearly every Friday night. They'd all form a team of three and try to eliminate me in GoldenEye. Sometimes they succeeded, mostly they didn't, but it was always fun. That guy and I both go to the same college, and to this day, when he introduces me to people, he adds, "You should see this guy play GoldenEye." (I'm not nearly as good as I used to be, of course—too busy to keep my skills sharp.)

Even now, when my friends come back from college for breaks, we still have a blast trying to beat one another in MarioKart, Mario Party, Perfect Dark, GoldenEye, and our newest addition, Perfect Dark Zero.

And honestly? When I'm alone at home, like in the evenings after work, I almost never play videogames. The only time I play is when I have people to play with.

My point? Gaming isn't and shouldn't be about having a console with ten vector processors or a Blu-Ray player. It's not about sitting alone at a PC clicking a mouse. Gaming is about people. It's a social activity.

At least Nintendo still sees gaming for what it is.

[*kryogenix*]

mipadi, have you ever played at a LAN party? It combines PC gaming with the social aspects of console gaming. It's not the same, but it's the closest you can get. I'm going to hold a tiny one with some of my friends tommorow actually.

But yeah, you're right about what you said. I still play singleplayer games from time to time, but I've been spending much less time playing videogames now. However, when people come over, I start having fun again with games that I thought I was tired with. Being able to trash talk people in Super Smash Bros, Mario Kart and Perfect Dark is something that PC gaming doesn't do.

Oh and by the way. Check out WWE meets Super Smash Brawl:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4...2637761601588&q

[EddieV]

^ LOL Snake is possibly the only character I ever made on Smackdown vs. Raw.

[*mipadi*]

mipadi, have you ever played at a LAN party? It combines PC gaming with the social aspects of console gaming. It's not the same, but it's the closest you can get. I'm going to hold a tiny one with some of my friends tommorow actually.

Yeah, I have, but then you have the annoyance of packing up a computer, setting up a network, making sure everyone can connect, etc. It goes back to my point that consoles just work. All you have to do is plug in a set of controllers, and you're good to go.

And now that you can LAN Xboxes (and PlayStations, possibly? I'm not sure) you're not even limited to only four people.

[EddieV]

^ Which is why instead of packing Desktops, just get a laptop.

[*Programmer*]

lol....good arguements in here. i play both so i can't argue either side.

[EddieV]

or better yet... just go to a game cafe, where you pay 5 dollars for 2 hours worth of gaming.

[*mipadi*]

^ Which is why instead of packing Desktops, just get a laptop.

Laptops aren't as good for gaming, though. It's a solution, but it still requires equipment to be moved around (a computer, probably a mouse, maybe even more), as well as cabling, a router, etc. I still think a console is a better solution.

[pandamonium]

NEW UPDATE !!!


I just heard all of these things from CNET.com

- the price of the Wii is going to be $250 bucks.
- When first purchased it comes with the game Wii Sports.
- Just like xbox live the Wii has "Wii Chanels" it will have the weather temp, Internet browsing, and purchasable games, and more stuff in the future.

wow 250 thats an ipod right there lol.

THE WII IS SCHEDULED TO COME OUT NOVEMBER 19th. 2 days after the release of the PS3

[smoke]

pc gaming is still the ownage, gg

Honestly, I think the Wii will put an end to that. Especially for FPS where PCs have the biggest advantage. Although with PCs technology advancing daily, I think PC games will still be big sellers.

[BonneVache]

I'm curious to see the other implimentations of "wii points" other than buying virtual games...

(& how many wii points it will be to download the Opera Browser)

[pandamonium]

I'm curious to see the other implimentations of "wii points" other than buying virtual games...

(& how many wii points it will be to download the Opera Browser)

the opera browser i believe is free, it comes as one of the channels.

[sadolakced acid]

one solution to the PC gaming problem would be the use of a 'virtual console' of sorts.

It would consist of rendering engines and have specific basic requirements; all games developed under the virtual console must conform to these basic requirements.

the effect if the virtual console runs on your computer, then any game for the virtual console will work on your computer.

the virtual console could also contain all the networking software. As the software on all computers attempting to connect would be the virtual console, connections would not be a problem, as compatibility would be ensured.

Sure, the advantages of PC gaming, like it's always cutting edge, would be dulled somewhat. But the added benifits would be enormous.

[*mipadi*]

That's basically the idea of the Java virtual machine, which is a good idea, but it has some drawbacks, namely in the area of performance. The virtual console sounds like an emulator of sorts, which has some drawbacks. What about graphics—is that still tied to the hardware, or emulated via the virtual console? If it's tied to the hardware, you're still going to have the hardware compatibility issues of a computer; if it's emulated, there's a big performance hit.

And what exactly is the purpose of the virtual console? In effect, there might not be much of a necessity for a virtual console, depending on its use. For example, if it just supplies a rendering engine, what's the point? Windows already does this with DirectX. I guess if you had other rendering engines, such as the physics engine in Half-Life 2, in the virtual console, that'd be nice, but that would require licensing (or open-sourcing) the physics engine; and why license it for the virtual console when game makers can already license it?

At any rate, a virtual console is still limited by the computer's hardware, so you still can't do the things Microsoft did with the Xbox (e.g., three multi-threaded processors) or Sony is doing with the PS3 (e.g., the Cell processor) without either a) having such hardware at the disposal of the virtual console, or b) emulating such hardware. b) is not a viable option because, well, emulation of the Cell, for example, would be almost impossible on your average desktop PC, due to performance constraints.

Basically, the problems that come with PC gaming as opposed to console gaming (e.g., hardware compatibility) would not be entirely negated by a virtual console, or at all, unless such issues were handled by emulation—but then you have a pretty big performance hit, which isn't terrible with most Java software, for example, but would be critical in a gaming environment where high performance is much more important.

one solution to the PC gaming problem would be the use of a 'virtual console' of sorts.

It would consist of rendering engines and have specific basic requirements; all games developed under the virtual console must conform to these basic requirements.

the effect if the virtual console runs on your computer, then any game for the virtual console will work on your computer.

the virtual console could also contain all the networking software. As the software on all computers attempting to connect would be the virtual console, connections would not be a problem, as compatibility would be ensured.

Sure, the advantages of PC gaming, like it's always cutting edge, would be dulled somewhat. But the added benifits would be enormous.

[pandamonium]

regular price on the left and retail price on the right.

WII CONSOLE - 249.99 / 237.50
WII REMOTE CONTROLL - 39.99 / 32.00
WII POINTS CARD - 24.99 / 17.00
WII CLASSIC CONTROLLER - 19.99 / 14.50
WII NUNCHUK CONTROLLER - 19.99 / 14.50
WII GPAK ORGANIZER&TRAVEL - 29.99 / 18.95
WII RAYMAN RAVING RABIDS - 49.99 / 41.2
WII THE LEGEND OF ZELDA:TW - 49.99 / 40.00
WII RED STEEL REVOLUTION - 49.99 / 41.22

[Connorrr]

hm i dunno

i was planning on getting ps3 for christmas
1 because i bought all of nintendos products, yet i always end up being dissapointed when sony and microsoft come in.
2 its 600 dollars, and from i read worth it. Not that its my money, its my parents but i dont know.

someone should start a debate between ps3 and revolution, so i can get my facts straight.

[EddieV]

I'm only buying PS3 to sell on ebay, and if it doesn't sell, I get a little nice system for myself. Well two systems considering I'm buying the Wii as well...

[pandamonium]

MAN there is so much wii wii going on in the internet. Yesterday is the day when all of the important gaming websites got their hands on the wii and there are so many videos going around.

countdown 8 days YEAUH. lol so excited.

EDIT THIS WEEK IS GOING BY SO SLOW.

[smoke]

This should be pretty interesting. Come Saturday, we can start to compare instead of speculate. I personally wasn't really into the Wii at first, but now I think it'll be pretty amazing. Every time I read about it, all I hear is positive.

Also, I completely agree with Micheal. Major Kudos to Nintendo for preserving the essence of what gaming really is.