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UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE., just because everyone else does it...
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NoSex
post Aug 23 2009, 07:14 PM
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so, why the f*ck don't we have universal healthcare?
 
 
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post Sep 3 2009, 03:06 PM
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Well, I think you (Rebecca) bring up a couple of more good points that are important to consider:
  1. There is a tendency to require unnecessary tests and treatments, and part of this is due to the horrendous malpractice issue in this country. Doctors often order unnecessary tests as a sort of "cover your ass" move to prevent malpractice suits. The thing that the general public needs to realize is that medicine is as much an art as it is a science, and doctors aren't right 100% of the time. Yeah, no one wants to die after going in for surgery...but unless a doctor is grossly negligent, I think we have to accept that mistakes will occasionally happen. Unnecessary treatments also result in our situation with antibiotics, in which antibiotics were so over-prescribed that many conventional antibiotics are now useless, resulting in the need for newer and more expensive medicines (although I'm sure pharmaceutical companies love that).
  2. We really should consider long-term treatment solutions, rather than "quick fixes". Americans often demand medicine to fix what could be solved by long-term lifestyle changes. Diabetes is a good example. Another is heartburn. There are tons of heartburn drugs on the market, when the solution to heartburn is pretty simple for most people: don't eat spicy food. But people want to be able to swallow a pill and eat as much chile as they can. Mental illness is another area in which we look to quick solutions. Depressed? Take Prozac. Anxious? Take Xanax. I'm not saying that medicine is never necessary for mental illness, but it is over-prescribed, in my opinion. A short anecdote: for about four months, I was treated for depression and anxiety. Both my therapist and I were reluctant to prescribe drugs, so we did it the "old-fashioned way": by talking. It probably cost a good deal more than drugs (and therapy sessions weren't covered under my old insurance plan), but in the long run, I think it's worked out better. It did take a lot more work on both our parts than just popping a pill, though.

    Hell, Brooke Shields is even advertising a pill to make your eyelashes longer now, for God's sake.

    Partly this solution could be improved with controls on pharmaceutical companies' advertising. I don't think drug companies should be pushing their drugs on TV. Doctors, not the general public, should decide what drugs are necessary.
 

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NoSex   UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE.   Aug 23 2009, 07:14 PM
kryogenix   Because you touch yourself at night. /thread   Aug 23 2009, 07:29 PM
KaraYankit   I don't think everyone should have it... it wo...   Aug 23 2009, 07:56 PM
NoSex   1. we already pay for illegal immigrants, if we di...   Aug 24 2009, 12:21 PM
KaraYankit   QUOTE(NoSex @ Aug 24 2009, 01:21 PM) 1. w...   Aug 25 2009, 12:00 AM
penpen15   QUOTE(KaraYankit @ Aug 25 2009, 01:00 AM)...   Aug 25 2009, 03:58 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(NoSex @ Aug 24 2009, 01:21 PM) 1. w...   Aug 25 2009, 08:26 AM
coconutter   less town hall meetings more healthcare reform plx   Aug 24 2009, 08:34 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(coconutter @ Aug 24 2009, 09:34 PM)...   Aug 25 2009, 02:14 AM
colddesert   ^ Regardless of the debate, there is nothing wrong...   Aug 24 2009, 10:05 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(colddesert @ Aug 24 2009, 10:05 PM)...   Aug 24 2009, 11:57 PM
doughnut   man, i forgot what the heath care system is like h...   Aug 25 2009, 08:36 AM
Uronacid   One of the biggest reasons I worry about Public He...   Aug 27 2009, 12:37 PM
hermes   so what is obama's proposition?, i see this cr...   Aug 27 2009, 07:16 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(hermes @ Aug 27 2009, 08:16 PM) so ...   Aug 28 2009, 08:53 AM
NoSex   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Aug 28 2009, 08:53 AM) H...   Aug 28 2009, 03:28 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(NoSex @ Aug 28 2009, 04:28 PM) in f...   Aug 29 2009, 03:54 AM
NoSex   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Aug 29 2009, 03:54 AM) ...   Aug 29 2009, 11:29 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(NoSex @ Aug 30 2009, 12:29 AM) 1. i...   Aug 30 2009, 03:25 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(NoSex @ Aug 28 2009, 04:28 PM) that...   Aug 31 2009, 08:45 AM
NoSex   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Aug 31 2009, 08:45 AM) G...   Sep 1 2009, 04:41 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(NoSex @ Sep 1 2009, 05:41 PM) you c...   Sep 10 2009, 04:07 PM
doughnut   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Sep 11 2009, 05:07 AM) ...   Sep 15 2009, 09:45 AM
superstitious   QUOTE(doughnut @ Sep 15 2009, 09:45 AM) t...   Sep 15 2009, 10:21 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(superstitious @ Sep 15 2009, 11:21 ...   Sep 15 2009, 10:27 AM
superstitious   QUOTE(mipadi @ Sep 15 2009, 10:27 AM) Do ...   Sep 15 2009, 10:59 AM
NoSex   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Sep 10 2009, 04:07 PM) ...   Oct 3 2009, 10:21 AM
synkiro   i don't want to pay a 1% surtax ;| -whines-   Aug 29 2009, 10:51 AM
coffeeandacasio   At has nothing to do with immigrants, taxes, etc. ...   Aug 31 2009, 01:04 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(coffeeandacasio @ Aug 31 2009, 02:0...   Aug 31 2009, 05:17 AM
NoSex   p.s. the issue is finding a healthcare system that...   Sep 1 2009, 04:47 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(NoSex @ Sep 1 2009, 05:47 PM) p.s. ...   Sep 2 2009, 08:20 AM
drinksmokefuck   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Sep 2 2009, 09:20 PM) In...   Sep 2 2009, 06:38 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(drinksmokef*ck @ Sep 2 2009, 07:38 ...   Sep 3 2009, 07:29 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Sep 3 2009, 08:29 AM) Mo...   Sep 3 2009, 09:26 AM
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mipadi   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Sep 3 2009, 02:11 PM) I ...   Sep 3 2009, 01:24 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(mipadi @ Sep 3 2009, 02:24 PM) Perh...   Sep 3 2009, 01:48 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Sep 3 2009, 02:48 PM) An...   Sep 3 2009, 02:02 PM
superstitious   QUOTE(mipadi @ Sep 3 2009, 02:02 PM) So h...   Sep 3 2009, 02:38 PM
drinksmokefuck   QUOTE(mipadi @ Sep 4 2009, 03:02 AM) I be...   Sep 3 2009, 05:08 PM
IamLegend   QUOTE(drinksmokef*ck @ Sep 3 2009, 05:08 ...   Sep 3 2009, 09:10 PM
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NoSex   QUOTE(Insurmountable @ Sep 3 2009, 10:29 ...   Sep 4 2009, 03:08 AM
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superstitious   QUOTE(NoSex @ Sep 4 2009, 03:08 AM) lastl...   Sep 4 2009, 10:33 AM
IamLegend   QUOTE(Insurmountable @ Sep 3 2009, 10:29 ...   Sep 4 2009, 10:45 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(IamLegend @ Sep 4 2009, 11:45 PM) I...   Sep 14 2009, 03:39 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Sep 14 2009, 03:39 PM) Y...   Sep 14 2009, 10:25 PM
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IamLegend   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Sep 14 2009, 04:39 PM) I...   Sep 15 2009, 09:15 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(NoSex @ Sep 15 2009, 01:32 PM) ther...   Sep 16 2009, 08:44 AM
NoSex   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Sep 16 2009, 08:44 AM) I...   Sep 16 2009, 08:29 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(NoSex @ Sep 16 2009, 09:29 PM) MEDI...   Sep 19 2009, 08:59 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(NoSex @ Sep 18 2009, 03:07 AM) the ...   Sep 19 2009, 11:06 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Sep 16 2009, 09:44 AM) I...   Sep 17 2009, 08:10 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(drinksmokef*ck @ Sep 3 2009, 06:08 ...   Sep 9 2009, 11:57 AM
irishcarbombs   QUOTE(mipadi @ Sep 9 2009, 09:57 AM) This...   Sep 9 2009, 08:13 PM
superstitious   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Sep 3 2009, 07:29 AM) Mo...   Sep 3 2009, 09:39 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(superstitious @ Sep 3 2009, 10:39 A...   Sep 3 2009, 09:49 AM
superstitious   QUOTE(mipadi @ Sep 3 2009, 09:49 AM) This...   Sep 3 2009, 10:01 AM
mipadi   Well, I think you (Rebecca) bring up a couple of m...   Sep 3 2009, 03:06 PM
brooklyneast05   i thought of you this morning rebecca when i was r...   Sep 4 2009, 11:59 AM
brooklyneast05   another good article: http://www.theatlantic.com/...   Sep 5 2009, 01:23 PM
synkiro   i currently don't have health insurance, but i...   Sep 9 2009, 02:14 PM
brooklyneast05   ^ but what i don't get it is what good does hi...   Sep 17 2009, 11:32 AM
NoSex   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Sep 17 2009, 11:32...   Sep 18 2009, 02:07 AM
colddesert   Universal Healthcare = death, slow and steady, wit...   Sep 20 2009, 02:38 AM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(colddesert @ Sep 20 2009, 02:38 AM)...   Sep 20 2009, 10:31 AM
doughnut   QUOTE(colddesert @ Sep 20 2009, 03:38 PM)...   Sep 20 2009, 10:37 AM
colddesert   QUOTE(doughnut @ Sep 20 2009, 09:37 AM) h...   Sep 23 2009, 03:21 PM
buckwild-kingdom   no its called stupid   Sep 23 2009, 06:37 PM
colddesert   ^ Well, that also.   Sep 24 2009, 01:01 AM
NoSex   i love how the opposition here has more or less ig...   Sep 27 2009, 02:00 AM
kryogenix   says the guy who's been ignoring my posts in t...   Oct 1 2009, 06:36 AM
kryogenix   LOGICAL FALLACY LOGICAL FALLACY I'm not going...   Nov 28 2009, 06:06 AM
NoSex   i have no idea what you want from me. you say the ...   Nov 29 2009, 04:37 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(NoSex @ Nov 29 2009, 04:37 AM) i ha...   Nov 29 2009, 01:22 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Nov 29 2009, 12:22 PM) ...   Nov 29 2009, 08:49 PM
kryogenix   No you don't, you merely parrot off the same t...   Nov 30 2009, 04:45 AM
NoSex   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Nov 30 2009, 03:45 AM) ...   Nov 30 2009, 08:35 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(NoSex @ Nov 30 2009, 08:35 PM) IT S...   Dec 1 2009, 05:58 AM
Tomates   im going to put my own 2 cents in here. My mother...   Dec 2 2009, 05:45 PM
karmakiller   QUOTE(Tomates @ Dec 2 2009, 04:45 PM) Whi...   Dec 2 2009, 07:17 PM
serotonin   QUOTE(karmakiller @ Dec 2 2009, 06:17 PM)...   Dec 2 2009, 07:29 PM
Tomates   QUOTE(karmakiller @ Dec 2 2009, 07:17 PM)...   Dec 2 2009, 07:55 PM
paozuu   QUOTE(Tomates @ Dec 2 2009, 06:45 PM) im ...   Dec 11 2009, 02:10 AM
karmakiller   You must forgive me, Steven, I'm from the nort...   Dec 2 2009, 08:34 PM
Tomates   QUOTE(karmakiller @ Dec 2 2009, 08:34 PM)...   Dec 2 2009, 09:29 PM
Kontroll   QUOTE(NoSex @ Aug 23 2009, 08:14 PM) so, ...   Dec 10 2009, 09:21 AM
aflyingcumshot   QUOTE(Kontroll @ Dec 10 2009, 06:21 AM) T...   Mar 23 2010, 12:25 AM
Cum   so guyz... about that healthcare being passed.   Mar 22 2010, 09:14 PM
Tomates   QUOTE(Cum @ Mar 22 2010, 10:14 PM) so guy...   Mar 23 2010, 05:18 PM
doughnut   ^what has that got to do with anything? the delay...   Mar 24 2010, 05:06 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(doughnut @ Mar 24 2010, 06:06 AM) ^...   Mar 25 2010, 09:55 AM
doughnut   healthcare should be in the public sector because ...   Mar 25 2010, 10:22 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(doughnut @ Mar 25 2010, 11:22 AM) h...   Mar 25 2010, 03:35 PM
aflyingcumshot   cmon, she lives in China   Mar 25 2010, 06:44 PM
doughnut   QUOTE(aflyingcumshot @ Mar 26 2010, 07:44...   Mar 26 2010, 01:10 AM
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