ABORTION VERSION TWO Options

[sadolakced acid]

yea, someone head to the other one and close it.

i'm going to lay down a few ground rules here.

1- i don't care what your stance is, and no one else does either

2- use logic and facts to try to convince us to believe something. it's called a debate not a disorganized rumble.

3- be civil. a lot of you seem to have problems with this.

4- no links, unless neccisary. no quoting outside sources over a paragraph. USE YOUR OWN WORDS. if i don't care what you think about it, why would i care what someone else thinks? and really. stop using other people's arguements.

alright. and you know, keeping your posts short isn't a bad thing either.

so, the set up:

should abortion be made illegal in the united states

[forza]

Like I said in the other thread: this is a dead horse that needs respite -- badly.

But to answer the question posed: no, abortion should not be outlawed, for two reasons:

1) Realism: abortions are necessary at times. I don't like the idea of terminating a potential human being, but I don't like the idea of a baby having a baby even worse. How successful is a newborn with a 15 year old mother from the slums expected to be? If you can justify forcibly ruining several lives for the sake of your beliefs (of which almost 100% derive from your religion), I've lost faith in this society's capacity to use common sense.

2) Litigation's sake: we have to uphold the validity of Supreme Court decisions at all costs. Sure, we review/question them all the time, but rarely do we overturn them. To do this would be to undermine the very foundation upon which our justice system resides. We can't compromise the power of the Supreme Court without titanium proof of its necessity (which we don't have).

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If you can justify forcibly ruining several lives for the sake of your beliefs (of which almost 100% derive from your religion), I've lost faith in this society's capacity to use common sense.

Ruining several lives? My sister got pregnant at 16 and was encouraged greatly by the hospital to have an abortion, but she chose not to. My nephew is now almost 4 and he is one of the biggest joys in all of our lives. I don't see how that ruins anything.

Also your statement about beliefs deriving from your religion is very ignorant. My beliefs do not come from my religion. I have created by opinion based on several factual articles and personal encounters having to do with abortion.

And by the way, I lost faith in this society's capacity to use common sense years ago.

^ Really, have you been raped, or do you know anyone who has been? Because I don't think you know how traumatic it is.

I know you weren't speaking to me, but I must reply, lol.

My girlfriend was raped at 14 years old before we dated. She said that if she had gotten pregnant, she would've kept the child because she believes it's not right for her or anyone to take the child's life even if she couldn't provide the child with everything it needs. It's always better to have hope that the child may overcome the outcome then to never give it a chance and always wonder what if.

If she had a child, I would've still dated her because it shows what a strong individual she is and she didn't take the easy way out.


This topic is getting old fast. There's nothing factual left. It's all just personal opinions on the subject. Same old stuff over and over again.

[AngelinaTaylor]

My girlfriend was raped at 14 years old before we dated. She said that if she had gotten pregnant, she would've kept the child because she believes it's not right for her or anyone to take the child's life even if she couldn't provide the child with everything it needs. It's always better to have hope that the child may overcome the outcome then to never give it a chance and always wonder what if.

If she had a child, I would've still dated her because it shows what a strong individual she is and she didn't take the easy way out.

Having a child at 14? That's a very bad idea in my opinion - she's still a child herself.

I'm not saying that abortion should be THE only way, but I'm saying that having abortion if the person has been raped is not wrong. Nor is it to have it if the person isn't ready for kids and is still in school. If someone got pregnat and didn't want a kid, but has graduated from school, then I think it would be better to give it up for adoption.

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^ http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/dec/05120107.html
I couldn't find an article on a specific case. I'd imagine the news media wouldn't like to claim that a suicide was directly linked to suicide, but it's obviously evident that it has an effect.

Having a child at 14? That's a very bad idea in my opinion - she's still a child herself.

I'm not saying that abortion should be THE only way, but I'm saying that having abortion if the person has been raped is not wrong. Nor is it to have it if the person isn't ready for kids and is still in school. If someone got pregnat and didn't want a kid, but has graduated from school, then I think it would be better to give it up for adoption.

Killing an unborn child is a very bad idea, in my opinion.

I can definitely see where you're coming from, but like I said before, it's always better to have hope that the child may overcome the outcome then to just end any chance it has. Unfortunately, the majority of teens who have an abortion have it not because they're still in school but because they simply don't want the inconvenience of raising the child which is very selfish. If she took the risk of having sex, she should be responsible enough to raise the child. In a perfect world, your idea would hold true but we live in a far from perfect world. :\