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UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE., just because everyone else does it... |
Aug 23 2009, 07:14 PM
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in the reverb chamber. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 4,022 Joined: Nov 2005 Member No: 300,308 |
so, why the f*ck don't we have universal healthcare?
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Aug 24 2009, 12:21 PM
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in the reverb chamber. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 4,022 Joined: Nov 2005 Member No: 300,308 |
1. we already pay for illegal immigrants, if we didn't we wouldn't have emergency clinics.
2. generally, a universal care service would only be available to citizens. so, no, illegal immigrants would not receive it. for example, the current bill being proposed has a provision which explicitly excludes illegal citizens from receiving coverage under the public program. 3. over a ten year plan, we would need to raise taxes only of those persons making $280,000 or more a year. & of joint incomes ranging between $350,000-500,000 only a 1% surtax will be applied. those making over one million dollars a year will be taxed the maxim surtax, 5%. 4. if we don't control the cost of healthcare now, we will be paying more for it later: over the last decade, healthcare premiums have doubled &, even further, the growth of healthcare costs have risen above the growth of GDP. 5. you sort of are being heartless; some of us think that decent healthcare is a human right. 6. doctors will be paid less, but as doctors are already handsomely compensated for their work, they will still maintain a position of tremendous comfort. best of all, they will finally be able to do their job, without having to wait for approval from an insurance industry. doctors go to school to help people, not to make money --- or at least, that's the way it should be. 7. in america, we wait longer for services than people in germany and in france (both of which have universal healthcare). 8. the world health organization has ranked the quality of america's healthcare as 37. this means that the WHO has identified that there are 36 systems currently operating @ a higher quality than our own system. a vast majority of those systems have a fully integrated single-payer system, including france, norway, germany, and italy. |
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Aug 25 2009, 12:00 AM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 142 Joined: Aug 2009 Member No: 742,752 |
1. we already pay for illegal immigrants, if we didn't we wouldn't have emergency clinics. 2. generally, a universal care service would only be available to citizens. so, no, illegal immigrants would not receive it. for example, the current bill being proposed has a provision which explicitly excludes illegal citizens from receiving coverage under the public program. 3. over a ten year plan, we would need to raise taxes only of those persons making $280,000 or more a year. & of joint incomes ranging between $350,000-500,000 only a 1% surtax will be applied. those making over one million dollars a year will be taxed the maxim surtax, 5%. 4. if we don't control the cost of healthcare now, we will be paying more for it later: over the last decade, healthcare premiums have doubled &, even further, the growth of healthcare costs have risen above the growth of GDP. 5. you sort of are being heartless; some of us think that decent healthcare is a human right. 6. doctors will be paid less, but as doctors are already handsomely compensated for their work, they will still maintain a position of tremendous comfort. best of all, they will finally be able to do their job, without having to wait for approval from an insurance industry. doctors go to school to help people, not to make money --- or at least, that's the way it should be. 7. in america, we wait longer for services than people in germany and in france (both of which have universal healthcare). 8. the world health organization has ranked the quality of america's healthcare as 37. this means that the WHO has identified that there are 36 systems currently operating @ a higher quality than our own system. a vast majority of those systems have a fully integrated single-payer system, including france, norway, germany, and italy. Obama wants to make all illegal immigrants legal...did I mention that? and I don't wait long for services. The only problem I have ever had is finding a doctor that will take my insurance that wasn't 30 miles away, but I lived in a small town, now I don't. now that's not a problem. I just don't go to waterman hospital...because after that merge they just aren't that great anymore. XD "5. you sort of are being heartless; some of us think that decent healthcare is a human right." DECENT health care, yes...not free. I don't think it should be free, because NOTHING it technically free, we'll still have to pay for it. and you really think the upper class people will get the get a tax raise? REALLY? I think they JUST NOW started having to pay as much as the middle and lower class people..and they're COMPLAINING...at least in my town they are, they have their protests and what not. The middle and lower class families will get stuck with the tax increase because that's just how it is. |
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