Legalizing Marijuana Rating Options

[Kay-]

Yes, I think there's already a topic on this but those are from a really long time ago. As you all know Marc Emery (the prince of pot) ran for Mayor of Vancouver in 1996 and ever since he's been fighting for legalization for marajuana in Canada. And he owns his very own shop in Vancouver with a vapour lounge in it.
http://cannabisculture.com/articles/5310.html
The link above shows you that on Nov 15th 2008 Cannabis Activists are getting elected all across BC.
I live in Vancouver and I'm a huge supporter of Marc Emery. Im so glad that he is still fighting for legalization. I've been to his shop many times before and I've met Marc Emery himself there. He's a really nice guy and I think with time marajuana will be legal here.
What do you guys think of legalizing marajuana?

Reason for edit: It's "marijuana," not "marajuana."

[synatribe]

I dont think marijuana should be legalized, people have cannablis cards here in the US but end up addicts and potheads, we should legalize hemp though, if we want any sort of energy reform independence.

[Tomates]

They recently legalized Medicinal Marajuana in my state. I think its really un-necissary to be honest. I had juniors in my class go "im so excited that proposal 1 passed!" which tells you there that it will probably be abused.

[brooklyneast05]

They recently legalized Medicinal Marajuana in my state. I think its really un-necissary to be honest. I had juniors in my class go "im so excited that proposal 1 passed!" which tells you there that it will probably be abused.

i disagree, medicinal marijuana should be definitely be legalized in all states in my opinion. even if people abuse it, i still think it should be legalized for medicinal use. i have a semi severe chronic back problem, and i'm in pain just about everyday and take pretty heavy prescribed pain killers that i'm basically addicted to. i can't just up and stop taking my dosage anymore without withdrawing. if being provided with a non physically addicting treatment helped then i don't care if some idiot teenagers somewhere abuse it as long as it's helping people in pain who have to cope with things like this on a day to day basis. is it really fair to everyone who would use it responsibly to not get to because someone else will abuse it? i think that option should be there for those it helps.


as far as legalizing it in general. i wouldn't say i'm 100% for that because i don't think i have all the facts. i definitely support decriminalizing it, and i probably support legalizing it in general. why is alcohol legal but marijuana not?


yeah and for the record, i don't smoke. so it's not like i'm one of the smokers who is like YEAH WOOHOOO. i don't now, and i highly doubt i would if it was legal since it being illegal isn't why i don't anyway.

[Amaranthus]

I think Marijuana should be legalized.
Maybe, though, there should be an age limit to purchase it.

[*paperplane*]

I dont think marijuana should be legalized, people have cannablis cards here in the US but end up addicts and potheads, we should legalize hemp though, if we want any sort of energy reform independence.

Please learn to write, spell, and punctuate before posting in debate again.

There are few states in which people can acquire cannabis cards, as medical marijuana is
still illegal in the vast majority of states.

Marijuana is not physically addictive, so no, people will not "end up addicts." In fact, by legalizing marijuana, people would likely have reduced access to harder drugs, as they wouldn't have to go to dealers who could potentially encourage them to try other things, therefore eliminating a lot of the reasoning behind the "gateway drug" theory. As for people becoming potheads, is everyone who's ever drank an alcoholic? No. Moderation is key, and it is not the government's place to ban substances that are not particularly harmful when used safely. Weed is far less dangerous than alcohol, really; it doesn't make people violent, it's not physically addictive, you can't OD on it, etc etc.

This documentary on the subject is pretty interesting.

[*cakedout*]

What are the benefits of legalizing marijuana? So who ever wants to can get high off their mind?

cancer patients who cant eat get an appetite

pain reliever

more that i dont know of

Please learn to write, spell, and punctuate before posting in debate again.

There are few states in which people can acquire cannabis cards, as medical marijuana is
still illegal in the vast majority of states.

Marijuana is not physically addictive, so no, people will not "end up addicts." In fact, by legalizing marijuana, people would likely have reduced access to harder drugs, as they wouldn't have to go to dealers who could potentially encourage them to try other things, therefore eliminating a lot of the reasoning behind the "gateway drug" theory. As for people becoming potheads, is everyone who's ever drank an alcoholic? No. Moderation is key, and it is not the government's place to ban substances that are not particularly harmful when used safely. Weed is far less dangerous than alcohol, really; it doesn't make people violent, it's not physically addictive, you can't OD on it, etc etc.

This documentary on the subject is pretty interesting.

LIES YOU CAN OD, JUST AFTER SMOKING LIKE 5000 POUNDS OF IT

[*paperplane*]

What are the benefits of legalizing marijuana? So who ever wants to can get high off their mind?

Even if there were not real medical benefits, I'd still think it should be legalized. Yes, people should be able to get high if they want. If no one else is getting hurt, it is not the government's problem. People go on and on about how they want a small government, and then support government bans on things like marijuana or () gay marriage. It's completely illogical. You shouldn't be asking what the benefits of legalizing something are, you should be asking how we benefit from having it illegal.

[*cakedout*]

not to mention taxing it would be a small boost for the economy

[*paperplane*]

Yeah, definitely better that than to continue wasting money by including pot in the the "war on drugs."

[NoSex]

What are the benefits of legalizing marijuana? So who ever wants to can get high off their mind?

1. freedom is actualized:
we live in a country that proposes to be free. the contents of our minds are a primary aspect of personal freedom. if the government is telling us we cannot control the contents of our minds through the use of drugs, than we can't say we're a free country.
2. the black market is defeated:
the drug war has only made selling drugs more profitable, in an effect, this has added to the proliferation of drugs (making them more accessible to everyone). if we legalize drugs (especially harmless drugs like cannabis) we can eliminate a black market that supports organized crime all over this nation & supplies criminals with the power & money to operate. this will lower associated crime (remember, black market disputes can't be taken to court. if someone snags your scag, you shoot them).
3. innocent people are allowed to live:
over fifty percent of our prisons are full of non-violent drug offenders. these people don't deserve the sentences that they are given. further, they are a costly aspect of our policy; we pay to imprison them & everyone pays when they are torn form their work, their lives, & their families.
4. medicinal benefits:
medical weed already helps millions of people all over the world; we need to jump on the bandwagon already.
5. we end the drug war:
less needless spending & effort & time on a worthless (& offensive) war against the american people.
6. etc.:
you suck for not thinking of any of these.

IF EVOLUTION IS A CRIME ONLY CRIMINALS WILL EVOLVE!

[synatribe]

Please learn to write, spell, and punctuate before posting in debate again.

There are few states in which people can acquire cannabis cards, as medical marijuana is
still illegal in the vast majority of states.

Marijuana is not physically addictive, so no, people will not "end up addicts." In fact, by legalizing marijuana, people would likely have reduced access to harder drugs, as they wouldn't have to go to dealers who could potentially encourage them to try other things, therefore eliminating a lot of the reasoning behind the "gateway drug" theory. As for people becoming potheads, is everyone who's ever drank an alcoholic? No. Moderation is key, and it is not the government's place to ban substances that are not particularly harmful when used safely. Weed is far less dangerous than alcohol, really; it doesn't make people violent, it's not physically addictive, you can't OD on it, etc etc.

This documentary on the subject is pretty interesting.

sorry smartass

[MatMan1490]

What are the benefits of legalizing marijuana? So who ever wants to can get high off their mind?

Actually, Marijuana has been documented to have some theriputic effect, for patients with glaucoma, and for those dealing with the pain of Chemotherapy, or wieght loss associated with HIV/AIDS.

It can have positve effect, just like cough syrup, for some people, and for that reason, I think it should be legalized and taxed. The tax money could then be used to fund research, and detoxification and intervention.

It 'can' be useful, but, most folks don't want to even consider legalization, for fear of setting a dangerous precedent.

Seems rather narrow minded to me. Feel free to actually read a study on the effects of marijuana use, it could be a great help, but, without actually considering it, it isn't even being put up for discussion.

[manic]

I'd love to be able to smoke a joint and go on about my daily activites. Yes, it would be great.

[applejaxkz]

Marijuana does have some medicinal effects, which is why I believe it should be legalized. But I don't want to hear people saying "Oh it'll get abused and wah wah wah." What do you think people do with Alcohol. Sure legalize it, even if they make dumb ass laws like; you have to be 21, or in a designated area and etc.

[Kay-]

It also prevents alzheimer's

[applejaxkz]

It also destroys your short term memory, and problem solving skills.

[AimeeLynn]

Marijuana is not physically addictive, so no, people will not "end up addicts." In fact, by legalizing marijuana, people would likely have reduced access to harder drugs, as they wouldn't have to go to dealers who could potentially encourage them to try other things, therefore eliminating a lot of the reasoning behind the "gateway drug" theory. As for people becoming potheads, is everyone who's ever drank an alcoholic? No. Moderation is key, and it is not the government's place to ban substances that are not particularly harmful when used safely. Weed is far less dangerous than alcohol, really; it doesn't make people violent, it's not physically addictive, you can't OD on it, etc etc.

This documentary on the subject is pretty interesting.

Agreed entirely!
Nothing wrong with weed.
Too much is bad.

[Tomates]

i disagree, medicinal marijuana should be definitely be legalized in all states in my opinion. even if people abuse it, i still think it should be legalized for medicinal use. i have a semi severe chronic back problem, and i'm in pain just about everyday and take pretty heavy prescribed pain killers that i'm basically addicted to. i can't just up and stop taking my dosage anymore without withdrawing. if being provided with a non physically addicting treatment helped then i don't care if some idiot teenagers somewhere abuse it as long as it's helping people in pain who have to cope with things like this on a day to day basis. is it really fair to everyone who would use it responsibly to not get to because someone else will abuse it? i think that option should be there for those it helps.
as far as legalizing it in general. i wouldn't say i'm 100% for that because i don't think i have all the facts. i definitely support decriminalizing it, and i probably support legalizing it in general. why is alcohol legal but marijuana not?
yeah and for the record, i don't smoke. so it's not like i'm one of the smokers who is like YEAH WOOHOOO. i don't now, and i highly doubt i would if it was legal since it being illegal isn't why i don't anyway.

I know someone who is a cancer survivor and is a junior in high school right now. The one thing she said when we were discussing this topic was "When i had cancer i was given all these drugs and the last thing i would need or want is another drug". Im aware medicinal marajuana can actually help my relieving the pain and increasing the appetite, but its one more drug and i think most patience dont want to keep taking and taking drugs.

I think the thing that bothered me most though about legalizing it was how the people who can have it are legally allowed to grow it, and it just bothers me how i hear and see high school students using it and how my former friend is using it now and is f*cking her life over overall now.

[SharperMyspace]

It also destroys your short term memory, and problem solving skills.

Those are NOTHING compared to what Tobacco can do to you.

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What does that quote have to do with anything? Marijuana would be a natural replacement for other pharmaceuticals, not "one more drug." It's effective, and could be used instead of taking other addictive chemicals. You obviously have no conception of what cancer patients want or need, and you really have a lot of growing up to do. But we're going by anecdotal evidence here, my aunt had cancer and my mom would buy weed for her. Because it is helpful in making people feel better. We need to prioritize people's health and well being over pharmaceutical companies.

Things should not be banned just because they have the potential to be abused. The people who will f*ck up their lives will f*ck up their lives regardless. I don't understand why "conservatives" feel that "personal responsibility" applies to economy, but not to anything that might approach "moral" territory. If cannabis were to be legalized, it would have an age limit like alcohol and cigarettes, and therefore probably not reach more high school kids than it does now. But as an adult, I should be able to get high off of a relatively harmless drug if I so choose. So long as I don't drive stoned (which is still much, much better than drunk driving) than it is really no one's business but my own. If I choose to "f*ck my life over" with it, that's my prerogative. Personal responsibility, personal responsibility, personal responsibility.

You really need to grow up.

[brooklyneast05]

^yeah what she said.


i think you missed my point. my point being that i'm physically dependent on the pain medicine i take now, and there's not really anyway around that because that's just the reality of high strength pain medicines, narcotics. it wouldn't be "one more drug", but really it would be one less drug, because it would be a replacement that isn't physically addicting. i don't want to keep taking and taking drugs, just like other people don't want to. so if there is an alternative they should be able to take advantage of that.

so i don't think you're looking at it like people in pain look at it. i would be willing to bet if you're friend said that, she doesn't know much about marijuana in the first place. it's probably a lot safer than any drugs she had to take.


and yeah, if we're going to ban everything that has the potential of being abused we'd have to ban the majority of drugs in the first place. so that makes no sense at all. we might as well ban tylenol, i mean people can abuse that!

[misoshiru]

Marijuana was legalized in Massachusetts. Just felt like pointing that out.

[dosomethin888]

Please learn to write, spell, and punctuate before posting in debate again.

It is so annoying when people write that.

I dont think it should be legalized because it is a drug. For medicinal purposes, thats fine. Of course people are going to abuse it.. people abuse laws all the time. Ya, there are some benefits to legalizing it, but I dont want any drugs to be legal. Alcohol and drugs are different. That is why alcohol is legal.

[*paperplane*]

You cannot be serious.

Caffeine is a drug.
Nicotine is a drug.
Aspirin is a drug.
Ephedrine is a drug.
Xanax is a drug.
ALCOHOL IS A DRUG.
etc. etc. etc.

Jesus f*cking Christ.

[dosomethin888]

Aspirin is a medicine. Ephedrine is a medicine. Xanax is a medicine.

Even putting marajuana into the same category as caffeine makes you an idiot.

Marajuana is in the same category as hard drugs, the kinds that shouldnt be legalized... Come on.

Alcohol is a beverage. Having one beer doesnt make you drunk. Taking one drag of marajuana makes you high. Why would we want to legalize something that gets people high??

[*paperplane*]

CAFFEINE IS A DRUG. You said you don't want marijuana legal because it is a drug. A MEDICINAL DRUG LIKE ALL OF THOSE THINGS EXCEPT ALCOHOL WHICH IS STILL A LEGAL DRUG. So yeah, they're in the same goddamn category.

IT IS IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS HARD DRUGS LEGALLY, BUT NOT EFFECTIVELY. (and actually, that's not really even true- cannabis is a class C drug.)

If those other things are okay because they can be used as medicine, then by that logic pot should be too. You've just disproved your own point. Xanax is highly addictive and quite often abused. By most measures it is far more harmful than weed. And alcohol is ALSO A DRUG and still legal.
(You will notice benzodiazepines (xanax) and alcohol and tobacco all higher than cannabis on the chart.)



Edit for the edit:
Um, no, it is all relative. The more you drink, the more drunk you get. The more you smoke, the higher you get. One hit will not necessarily get someone high. Most people don't get high their first time (or few) smoking. Someone with a higher tolerance will not get high off one hit. One sip of beer may not get someone drunk, but one sip of something with a higher alcohol content could get someone with a lot tolerance drunk. It is a beverage that would get people drunk? Why would we want to legalize something that could get them drunk- when that could make them violent, mess with their judgment, become addicted to it, and could die of alcohol poisoning? Why not legalize something that could HELP PEOPLE MEDICINALLY and who the f*ck cares if they get high? Why is it the government's place to say it's not ok to get high, or that it's ok to take this one drug that you could get high off of but not this other one?

Or just go back a page and read the benefits Nate listed.

[fameONE]

Has anyone else noticed that Nate dropped an ETHER bomb on this thread? He cut out the fat and got right down to common sense and common knowledge.

[brooklyneast05]

why are people so insistent that it's a hard drug? i don't get this. is it just because you only remember what they beat into your head in 4th grade about all drugs being the most awful things in the world? because you need to get the f*ck over that by now. drugs are BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD when you're little because little kids can't differentiate or comprehend differences like this anyway, so there isn't much else to tell them. you need to grow up and do some research though if you're over 16 and you still think weed is a terrible drug that your going to become physically dependent on and kill you.

i don't understand

[synatribe]

In 1985, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved dronabinol (Marinol®) to treat nausea and vomiting (emesis) caused by chemotherapy in cancer patients who had not responded to other standard anti-emetic drugs. Dronabinol contains a synthetic form of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), an active cannabinoid in marijuana. Since that time, more effective drugs to counteract these cancer-related symptoms have been developed that do not contain any cannabinoids.

By the late 1990s, the National Academy of Sciences’ Institute of Medicine and the National Institutes of Health had developed reports on the medical use of marijuana. The drug’s benefit in some medical settings was confirmed, more studies were called for, and distinctions were made between smoked marijuana and chemically refined by-products that could be taken by mouth.

Maybe legalizing some substances in marijuana would not hurt, and these should be available to people with licenses or with some kind of knowledge of drugs, not to the entire population to get high off of.

[*paperplane*]

Why? Who, pray tell, is hurt by people getting high?

And now look, you have to understand why they feel the need to differentiate between the real thing and "chemically refined by-products that could be taken by mouth." It's not because it's a more effective medication. It's not so people don't get high. It's because pharmaceutical companies cannot make money off of a natural product that people can grow themselves. It's all about conforming to lobbiests' demands. Why would you want to take the synthetic version of something when you could take the natural one?

[Harp]

I think that if it's legalized. people wont be so "hyped" about doing it anymore. I also think it'll become more expensive, and nobody will have the money to buy it anymore.

[dosomethin888]

Ya except that caffeine makes you more alert, while marajuana makes you less alert.


Drugs are bad, brooklyn, and thats why they try to make it clear to children from a young age. Marajuna is the less toxic of all hard drugs, for sure. Besides making you sluggish and lazy, I dont think it has any adverse side effects. But, doing one drug could lead to another and lead to gateways to more drugs. Its not a good idea to make marajuana legal because it is a hard drug.

Anyways, I already said medicinal purposes for marajuana are fine.

[*paperplane*]

It's not really accurate to say that cannabis decreases awareness. It increases concentration. But regardless, that hardly makes caffeine less of, or cannabis more of a drug. There are different kinds of drugs, but they are still all drugs.

No, it's really not a hard drug. The gateway drug theory only holds any weight because it's not a hard drug. If it were, it would not be the drug that people try before they move on to trying other, harder drugs. Why not ban cigarettes, then? Reinstate prohibition? (lol) Most hard drug users first try tobacco or alcohol, and the majority of them are also smoke cigarettes. And oh, yeah, these things really don't have many (if any) medicinal uses. However, an advantage to legalization- as I have already stated- is that marijuana smokers would not have to buy weed from dealers who also sell harder things, which would decrease access. Dissolving the black market would be very beneficial.

You can't just ban things because people might want to try other more harmful things. Or because they make people less attentive...seriously, let's ban getting fewer than 8 hours a sleep a night, then.

[brooklyneast05]

yeah nicki covered my response again. i was going to say that it's contradictory to claim it's a hard drug, and then claim it's a gateway drug at the same time.

[*cakedout*]

Ya except that caffeine makes you more alert, while marajuana makes you less alert.
Drugs are bad, brooklyn, and thats why they try to make it clear to children from a young age. Marajuna is the less toxic of all hard drugs, for sure. Besides making you sluggish and lazy, I dont think it has any adverse side effects. But, doing one drug could lead to another and lead to gateways to more drugs. Its not a good idea to make marajuana legal because it is a hard drug.

Anyways, I already said medicinal purposes for marajuana are fine.

bitch, you need to stfu and hit the blunt, hard drug my ass, acid is a hard ass drug.

[NoSex]

I also think it'll become more expensive, and nobody will have the money to buy it anymore.

the price will drop due to the decreased cost of production & distribution & a market model closer to perfect competition. unless, somehow, taxation is stupid as f*ck on it, weed will become substantially cheaper if legalized & sold by firms.

[dosomethin888]

if you legalize marijuana the cost will skyrocket for killer weed, and it will be regulated by the government. They want there cut of the profit. dude, rock on or shit, out & under

[Joss-eh-lime]

dont legalize it because its needed for medical reasons.
it just isnt necessary for a productive society.
yeah a selcect few people actually need it for medical reasons. they most likely will get it for that reason. legalize it and it will be around kids, and people who just dont want to be near it.

[Amaranthus]

if you legalize marijuana the cost will skyrocket for killer weed, and it will be regulated by the government. They want there cut of the profit. dude, rock on or shit, out & under

Why the hell does this bother you as well ?
You seem needlessly argumentative.

[*cakedout*]

dont legalize it because its needed for medical reasons.
it just isnt necessary for a productive society.
yeah a selcect few people actually need it for medical reasons. they most likely will get it for that reason. legalize it and it will be around kids, and people who just dont want to be near it.

and alcohol isnt?

[*paperplane*]

So everything legal has to be necessary for a productive society?

[MiSSP]

They should just legalize it in all states, some states are starting to legalize it anyway for medical use. People are going to get their hands on it regardless so it really doesnt matter.

[NoSex]

if you legalize marijuana the cost will skyrocket for killer weed, and it will be regulated by the government. They want there cut of the profit. dude, rock on or shit, out & under

killer weed? i have no idea what you're talking about. like, dank shit? nah dawg, you have no idea what the f*ck you're talking about. the reason any drug is expensive right now is because of the problem of supply - it's a risk to produce & distribute drugs illegally. if the production & sale of drugs is no longer illegal, the risk will disappear, & many more entrepreneurs will enter the market... this will increase competition (& given lower production costs already) & dramatically reduce the price of the product. duh.

dont legalize it because its needed for medical reasons.
it just isnt necessary for a productive society.

you're a heartless bitch. you know what we don't need in a "productive society?" shit heads like you! people who have no compassion whatsoever for his or her fellow human beingsss... even further, people who have no compassion because of their own self-righteous, moronic, & subservient ignorance! you need to read a book!

legalize it and it will be around kids

drug dealers don't check for i.d. you f*cking idiot.

and people who just dont want to be near it.

i don't want to be near your dumb ass... but that's just something we all sort of have to deal with in a free country. word up moron.

[applejaxkz]

Those are NOTHING compared to what Tobacco can do to you.

Not once did I say anything about tobacco. Sit down and raise your hand next time.

[*cakedout*]

Not once did I say anything about tobacco. Sit down and raise your hand next time.

she/hes implying that cigarettes are legal and do more damage to you when marijuana isnt

[sixfive]

Not once did I say anything about tobacco. Sit down and raise your hand next time.

OKAY MISTER TECHNICAL SCHOOL JUST BECAUSE YOURE GETTING A PIECE OF PAPER THAT MEANS JACK SHIT THAT YOU PAID TOO MUCH FOR DOESNT MEAN YOU CAN GO AROUND BOSSING PEOPLE AROUND TELLING THEM TO RAISE THEIR HAND NO MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU LEAVE DEAD AND BLOODIED ALONG THE WAY, JUST SO LONG AS YOU CAN MAKE A NAME FOR YOURSELF AS AN INVESTIGATORY JOURNALIST, NO MATTER HOW MANY FRIENDS YOU LOSE OR PEOPLE YOU LEAVE DEAD AND BLOODIED AND DYING ALONG THE WAY.

itt: you're an idiot

[synatribe]

You cannot be serious.

Caffeine is a drug.
Nicotine is a drug.
Aspirin is a drug.
Ephedrine is a drug.
Xanax is a drug.
ALCOHOL IS A DRUG.
etc. etc. etc.

Jesus f*cking Christ.

okay just to give you an analogy of how stupid you sound,

CATS are felines
LIONs are felines

you want lions to be let out in the f*cking public? hope this analogy feeds your f*cking brain
does that answer your damn question? all Im insisting is that if you wanted to use marijuana as a legal drug, then just use it properly, dont let it get in the hands of people who are going to abuse it.

Why? Who, pray tell, is hurt by people getting high?

And now look, you have to understand why they feel the need to differentiate between the real thing and "chemically refined by-products that could be taken by mouth." It's not because it's a more effective medication. It's not so people don't get high. It's because pharmaceutical companies cannot make money off of a natural product that people can grow themselves. It's all about conforming to lobbiests' demands. Why would you want to take the synthetic version of something when you could take the natural one?

the f*cking reason this country is in a economic crisis is BECAUSE of lobbyist demands. Even with GM and chrysler, they try to meet lobbyist demands and they neglect the importance of making cars better. thats why American cars are shitty as hell compared to asian imports. If you want to conform to lobbyist demands, your not going to get jack shit done. Legalizing Marijuana is a f*ckin last minute desperate as hell ditch move, your not making patients healthier, your making them feel better (there is a difference). Its the same thing as cars, while Asian countries and england are advancing in stem cell research, Americans are looking towards marijuana to be their saving grace and while brazil is energy independent and advancing faster then any other country in the world, AMericans are still dependent on OPEC, its the same damn thing, lobbyist dont help the people, they only help money hungry corporations.

[*paperplane*]

Calm the f*ck down, neither of those posts were in response to you. The first one was in respone to where Dosomething888 said, "I dont think it should be legalized because it is a drug...I dont want any drugs to be legal. Alcohol and drugs are different. That is why alcohol is legal." So it was far from stupid of me to point out that alcohol is in fact a drug. And that there are plenty of other legal drugs. Seriously, look at the context.

Are you even literate? Pharmaceutical companies lobby AGAINST legalization, because it would decrease their profit, not for the good of the people.

[synatribe]

Calm the f*ck down, neither of those posts were in response to you. The first one was in respone to where Dosomething888 said, "I dont think it should be legalized because it is a drug...I dont want any drugs to be legal. Alcohol and drugs are different. That is why alcohol is legal." So it was far from stupid of me to point out that alcohol is in fact a drug. And that there are plenty of other legal drugs. Seriously, look at the context.

Are you even literate? Pharmaceutical companies lobby AGAINST legalization, because it would decrease their profit, not for the good of the people.

sorry, its just so f*cking frustrating, when I try to make a point, people are always f*cking bashing it, I try to respect everyone's post, but Im not going to be told what to do or be disrespected, and yes Iam literate I must have misunderstood your post, but either way, Im independent on this issue, what Im implying is that if it gets passed, make sure their is a limit of some sort, if it dosent get passed, them oo well.

[*paperplane*]

Well, you realize, this is why I picked on your typing. If you want people to understand what you're saying, you need to explain it coherently. But please, don't feed me this crap about not getting respect when you're going out of your way to argue with my perfectly valid points.

If it were to be legalized, there would be an age limit on it, just like alcohol and cigarettes. Dealers don't ID, stores do.

[brooklyneast05]

Legalizing Marijuana is a f*ckin last minute desperate as hell ditch move, your not making patients healthier, your making them feel better (there is a difference).

that doesn't even make sense in the instances that marijuana would be used for medicine. feeling better is the reason to use it. the legal medicine i take now for my back doesn't make it better, it reduces the pain. it's not making me healthier it's making my life easier. there isn't going to be medicine that is going to make it better, ever, because it'd take spinal surgery.

there's a difference, but it's completely irrelevant in most if not all cases it would be used medically in. it's like saying we shouldn't use pain killers, period, because they aren't healing the problem.

so how's it a desperate as hell ditch move?

[MiSSP]

How many people can you say actually die from marijuana. None.
Im talking about from the drug itself not the " im going to go jump off a building because i was high" type of death.
And thats why it should be legal so that doctors can prescribe it and give the patient the right amount, level of thc for whatever reason they need it.

[brooklyneast05]

^seriously. it's stupid as hell. that's why this abuse argument makes no sense to me. you can go abuse the marijuana and it's not going to kill you from just abusing it itself. you can go abuse the medicine they currently assign for most of these medical reasons and you'll f*cking overdose and die.

so it's completely backwards sounding to me to say we shouldn't legalize it becuase it might get abused, even though we have the more dangerous abusive medicine legalized now.

[MiSSP]

^seriously. it's stupid as hell. that's why this abuse argument makes no sense to me. you can go abuse the marijuana and it's not going to kill you from just abusing it itself. you can go abuse the medicine they currently assign for most of these medical reasons and you'll f*cking overdose and die.

so it's completely backwards sounding to me to say we shouldn't legalize it becuase it might get abused, even though we have the more dangerous abusive medicine legalized now.

It doesn't even have to be prescribed for people to overdose you can f*cking overdose on some damn ibuprofen.

I just really want to know some reasons why it shouldn't be legalize because the reasons some people are giving on here is ahh let me say bullshit...SO when someone comes up with a reason besides ppl will abuse it and its "BAD" let me kn0 =)

[batman]

It doesn't even have to be prescribed for people to overdose you can f*cking overdose on some damn ibuprofen.

I just really want to know some reasons why it shouldn't be legalize because the reasons some people are giving on here is ahh let me say bullshit...SO when someone comes up with a reason besides ppl will abuse it and its "BAD" let me kn0 =)

exactly.

i was about to write a long essay about how everybody's reasons were either 1) not correct or 2) stupid. but then decided to get high instead.

jk, but still.

[mipadi]

it just isnt necessary for a productive society.

What do you mean by this?

Do you mean simply that you don't need marijuana to be productive? Our society manufacturers and sells a lot of things that make life more enjoyable, but don't contribute to productivity. I drink a lot of Mountain Dew. I like Mountain Dew, but it's not necessary for me to be productive. Neither are movies or music, but it sure as hell makes life more fun to have movies to watch and music to listen to. Xboxes aren't necessary to be productive, either, but I sure do enjoy playing the Xbox from time to time.

Then again, if people aren't happy, they aren't going to be productive, either -- so maybe anything that makes people happy is productive. But I digress.

At any rate, I don't mean to make assumptions, but I fear you're implying that anyone who smokes marijuana is unproductive. And that's simply not true. Don't believe the lies: many pot smokers are functional, productive members of society.

[*cakedout*]

okay just to give you an analogy of how stupid you sound,

CATS are felines
LIONs are felines

you want lions to be let out in the f*cking public?

just to give you remind you, your f*cking incompetent shit stain, how the f*ck can you compare weed to lions? ROFL they are kittens at best, so sit your ass down and suck on daddys cock

[synatribe]

just to give you remind you, your f*cking incompetent shit stain, how the f*ck can you compare weed to lions? ROFL they are kittens at best, so sit your ass down and suck on daddys cock

read the f*ckin post and fix your incompetent shitty as grammar, then suck your own inexistent cock then talk

[brooklyneast05]

you didn't reply to my post of actual content asking you a question about your argument but you replied to his. good job.

[*cakedout*]

read the f*ckin post and fix your incompetent shitty as grammar, then suck your own inexistent cock then talk

look whose talking you ugly fat ass f*ck, what, did you accidently swallow all those cocks you sucked? go back to getting off watching your dad jerk off your dog

[synatribe]

^^ if you honestly have to revert to sucking cocks as a last minute effort to save yourself from looking like an idiot, then next time just post something relevent to the thread, or just ask for forgiveness, dont go around acting stupid

that doesn't even make sense in the instances that marijuana would be used for medicine. feeling better is the reason to use it. the legal medicine i take now for my back doesn't make it better, it reduces the pain. it's not making me healthier it's making my life easier. there isn't going to be medicine that is going to make it better, ever, because it'd take spinal surgery.

there's a difference, but it's completely irrelevant in most if not all cases it would be used medically in. it's like saying we shouldn't use pain killers, period, because they aren't healing the problem.

so how's it a desperate as hell ditch move?

well marijuana dosent need to be used to get the same effects, as I stated in a post earlier, chemical by products from marijuana are used to make treatment for cancer patients. Also I called it a last minute ditched move because I thought paperplane's post was talking about pharmaceutical companies using lobbying to get marijuana, which if it were pharmaceutical companies actually doing that, then it would look like a desperate move. People already take marijuana legally through cannabis cards, and making marijuana legal to the public would undermine what having a cannabis card actually means, because although I do not have stats, Im pretty sure that although marijuana relieves pain, the people who actually need it is almost close to zero, Im 16 JC and although you said that, if anyone is over 16 and thinks marijuana is "bad" then they are technically immature, I dont think marijuana is as bad as what people think, the only reason why I have issues with marijuana is because 99% of my friends who drop 130 pills (average) found their roots from pot and people who use marijuana are probably going to experiment for a better high and I think the addictive side of it is more dangerous then the technical treatment side of it, which is what I fear because I have personal experience.

you didn't reply to my post of actual content asking you a question about your argument but you replied to his. good job.

[dosomethin888]

look whose talking you ugly fat ass f*ck, what, did you accidently swallow all those cocks you sucked? go back to getting off watching your dad jerk off your dog

Wow, do you not enough of a life that you have to carry on telling people to suck your cock? Get over it.

Ya, marajuana doesnt kill people but it has been known to keep people in a slump, keep them from graduating high school cause they are sneaking off to smoke it. And dont even say well .. "If we legalize it they wont have to miss school" cause I can gaurantee that if weed was legalized, they would have to restrict it to homes. No one wants their kids around cigarette smoke, let alone weed smoke. No way we would have people smoking it in parks, in front of movie theatres, around children.

Cigarettes and Marajuana are different. Many people look down on marajuana way more than cigarettes. Cigs have been legalized for a long time and they already have been banned from reataurants and even some bars.

And you think that marajuana would lend to a more functional society? Having marajuana lagalized.. people smoking it on street corners. That will definetely add to the look of the US. Ya, right.

And I really hope paperplane can look past the few grammatical mistakes I did make. God forbid she doesnt understand what I wrote.


And the whole killer weed thing, My dad wrote that. HAHAHA. He thought your guys responses were funny.. he laughed when he read "dawg."

[synatribe]

Wow, do you not enough of a life that you have to carry on telling people to suck your cock? Get over it.

thank you :] you are like the only person who seems to be understanding both sides of anything on createblog :]

[brooklyneast05]

well marijuana dosent need to be used to get the same effects, as I stated in a post earlier, chemical by products from marijuana are used to make treatment for cancer patients.

why do we need to mess with chemical by products when we can just smoke it and get the effect? i don't to pay for some company to make me some chemical byproducts and charge me 4 times the price when i could just smoke the actual thing and get relief.

Also I called it a last minute ditched move because I thought paperplane's post was talking about pharmaceutical companies using lobbying to get marijuana, which if it were pharmaceutical companies actually doing that, then it would look like a desperate move.

i'm still confused about that but i'll go reread you guys conversation on that

People already take marijuana legally through cannabis cards,

it's not legal in all states that i know of...

and making marijuana legal to the public would undermine what having a cannabis card actually means,

not really, because of my last statement

because although I do not have stats, Im pretty sure that although marijuana relieves pain, the people who actually need it is almost close to zero,

why do you think almost zero people need pain relief? how does that make sense?

Im 16 JC and although you said that, if anyone is over 16 and thinks marijuana is "bad" then they are technically immature, I dont think marijuana is as bad as what people think, the only reason why I have issues with marijuana is because 99% of my friends who drop 130 pills (average) found their roots from pot and people who use marijuana are probably going to experiment for a better high and I think the addictive side of it is more dangerous then the technical treatment side of it, which is what I fear because I have personal experience.

well i have personal experience with being in pain having to take real addictive drugs! you have personal experience...with weed? or what, i'm confused by what you meant you have personal experience.

i think if you're 16 and you don't understand there are diffferent levels of drugs, then you're immature, yes. that's what i meant. i don't care about your friends though. if your friends do that shit, then they are idiots. no offense, this is just how it is. why do i need to be addicted to pain killer if i could be smoking something way less toxic/addicting/ect just because some idiot kids make bad decisions? who cares about them, they have parents for a reason, they should do their jobs.

i don't care if stupid people make stupid decisions. i don't know why others have to be held back because of that. i don't want to be limited by dumbass kids somewhere i don't know.

[dosomethin888]

thank you :] you are like the only person who seems to be understanding both sides of anything on createblog :]

Oh, wow. Thanks:) I never get positive feedback on here.. okay maybe like once? But I dont remember the instince specifically.

[brooklyneast05]

Ya, marajuana doesnt kill people but it has been known to keep people in a slump, keep them from graduating high school cause they are sneaking off to smoke it. And dont even say well .. "If we legalize it they wont have to miss school" cause I can gaurantee that if weed was legalized, they would have to restrict it to homes. No one wants their kids around cigarette smoke, let alone weed smoke. No way we would have people smoking it in parks, in front of movie theatres, around children.

Cigarettes and Marajuana are different. Many people look down on marajuana way more than cigarettes. Cigs have been legalized for a long time and they already have been banned from reataurants and even some bars.

And you think that marajuana would lend to a more functional society? Having marajuana lagalized.. people smoking it on street corners. That will definetely add to the look of the US. Ya, right.

i don't think it keeps them in a slump, i think their own personality/self keeps them in one. i've known people who smoke who are normal, fine hardworking people. i think lazy people are lazy in general and will continue to be regardless.

i wouldn't want people smoking it in parks, around children, ect...just like i don't want them smoking cigarettes like that. i'd assume that the same smoking regulations about smoking in public places would apply as they do now to cigarettes. i'd hope so anyway.

[dosomethin888]

i don't think it keeps them in a slump, i think their own personality/self keeps them in one. i've known people who smoke who are normal, fine hardworking people. i think lazy people are lazy in general and will continue to be regardless.

i wouldn't want people smoking it in parks, around children, ect...just like i don't want them smoking cigarettes like that. i'd assume that the same smoking regulations about smoking in public places would apply as they do now to cigarettes. i'd hope so anyway.

Ya, I dont agree with you. I think everyone has the same chance of stopping smoking if they want. No one is less lazy or more lazy. They have the choice to get off their ass and go to school or go and get a job. But... some people just like to live with bare minimum and rely on others or the govt. for things.

[synatribe]

why do we need to mess with chemical by products when we can just smoke it and get the effect? i don't to pay for some company to make me some chemical byproducts and charge me 4 times the price when i could just smoke the actual thing and get relief.
i'm still confused about that but i'll go reread you guys conversation on that
it's not legal in all states that i know of...
not really, because of my last statement
why do you think almost zero people need pain relief? how does that make sense?
well i have personal experience with being in pain having to take real addictive drugs! you have personal experience...with weed? or what, i'm confused by what you meant you have personal experience.

i think if you're 16 and you don't understand there are diffferent levels of drugs, then you're immature, yes. that's what i meant. i don't care about your friends though. if your friends do that shit, then they are idiots. no offense, this is just how it is. why do i need to be addicted to pain killer if i could be smoking something way less toxic/addicting/ect just because some idiot kids make bad decisions?

i don't care if stupid people make stupid decisions. i don't know why others have to be held back because of that. i don't want to be limited by dumbass kids somewhere i don't know.

well actually since it is a by product it would be cheaper, because its a by product not a product made from actual marijuana leaves, when I say I have personal experience I mean testing it, but I never did it anymore afterwards, just once, but even adults make stupid decision because not everyone might look at this issue the same way as you and if cannabis cards are not legal in all states then I think this issue should be an issue on the state government level , not national level and I say the zero percent thing, because I believe the developments of modern medicine in other countries and even the US is higher then using marijuana for relief,
(the US only a bit higher). We raise awareness for cancer and raise millions of dollars because we want improvements in modern medicine to end cancer and I simply think that using marijuana is a huge step back because other medicines (might not have as powerful of an effect as marijuana) have already been developed for treatment, and almost everyone on CB probably participated in some event for cancer treatment and or drug awareness, and Im just not trying to be hypocrite by legalizing marijuana, when all my life (after my personal experience) I have been opposing of it.

[brooklyneast05]

Ya, I dont agree with you. I think everyone has the same chance of stopping smoking if they want. No one is less lazy or more lazy. They have the choice to get off their ass and go to school or go and get a job. But... some people just like to live with bare minimum and rely on others or the govt. for things.

yeah i don't know, i don't think i get what you're whole statement has to do with marijuana though.

did i say everyone didn't have the same chance of stopping smoking? i don't get where that came from, but i do think some people are more lazy than others. i think that's their choice to be that way obviously, but it's still how it is. some people are lazy and some people aren't. if you're a lazy idiot who smokes all the time then that's your choice to be that. it doesn't mean everyone who ever smokes is that way. plenty of smoking people have jobs and don't live off the government...

[dosomethin888]

I just asked my brother is we should legalize it, He said hell yes.

[dosomethin888]

yeah i don't know, i don't think i get what you're whole statement has to do with marijuana though.

did i say everyone didn't have the same chance of stopping smoking? i don't get where that came from, but i do think some people are more lazy than others. i think that's their choice to be that way obviously, but it's still how it is. some people are lazy and some people aren't. if you're a lazy idiot who smokes all the time then that's your choice to be that. it doesn't mean everyone who ever smokes is that way. plenty of smoking people have jobs and don't live off the government...

Thats true.


I double posted. Sorry. Please dont warn me. Again.

[brooklyneast05]

well actually since it is a by product it would be cheaper, because its a by product not a product made from actual marijuana leaves, when I say I have personal experience I mean testing it, but I never did it anymore afterwards, just once, but even adults make stupid decision because not everyone might look at this issue the same way as you and if cannabis cards are not legal in all states then I think this issue should be an issue on the state government level , not national level and I say the zero percent thing, because I believe the developments of modern medicine in other countries and even the US is higher then using marijuana for relief,
(the US only a bit higher). We raise awareness for cancer and raise millions of dollars because we want improvements in modern medicine to end cancer and I simply think that using marijuana is a huge step back because other medicines (might not have as powerful of an effect as marijuana) have already been developed for treatment, and almost everyone on CB probably participated in some event for cancer treatment and or drug awareness, and Im just not trying to be hypocrite by legalizing marijuana, when all my life (after my personal experience) I have been opposing of it.

i don't think it's a step back though. i'm not saying lets stop all research on medicine and cures and just smoke weed instead. i'm saying why not let people use it as a relief until we have something else? you see what i mean? i'm not saying it's a cure for something or should stop technology. it just seems like if we have it and it works for some people why not let them use that.

[synatribe]

i don't think it's a step back though. i'm not saying lets stop all research on medicine and cures and just smoke weed instead. i'm saying why not let people use it as a relief until we have something else? you see what i mean? i'm not saying it's a cure for something or should stop technology. it just seems like if we have it and it works for some people why not let them use that.

yea, I wasnt implying lets stop development Im just saying that society has been fine with illegal marijuana up until now, why legalize it now? what would be the difference? because the only people who will actually take marijuana when prescribed to them are going to be the idiots, I know for a fact that if I had a disease and my doctor prescribed marijuana, then I would ask for something different, cause I dont like it and I know its detrimental to my emotional health, even if it improves my physical health.

[brooklyneast05]

yea, I wasnt implying lets stop development Im just saying that society has been fine with illegal marijuana up until now, why legalize it now? what would be the difference? because the only people who will actually take marijuana when prescribed to them are going to be the idiots, I know for a fact that if I had a disease and my doctor prescribed marijuana, then I would ask for something different, cause I dont like it and I know its detrimental to my emotional health, even if it improves my physical health.

you apparently haven't comprehended basically anything i've said. why legalize it now?

read carefully

BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE WANT PAIN RELIEF, ECT, WITHOUT BEING f*ckING PHYSICALLY DEPENDENT ON THEIR CURRENT PRESCRIBED MEDICINE. MARIJUANA IS NOT PHYSICALLY DEPENDENT. THE MEDICINE I TAKE NOW IS MORE DANGEROUS AND ADDICTIVE THAN MARIJUANA. SO, I WOULD BE AN IDIOT APPARENTLY FOR WANTING SOMETHING THAT'S LESS HARMFUL TO ME?


i'm with kevin and nicki now. stfu

[dosomethin888]

yea, I wasnt implying lets stop development Im just saying that society has been fine with illegal marijuana up until now, why legalize it now? what would be the difference? because the only people who will actually take marijuana when prescribed to them are going to be the idiots, I know for a fact that if I had a disease and my doctor prescribed marijuana, then I would ask for something different, cause I dont like it and I know its detrimental to my emotional health, even if it improves my physical health.

Thats a good point. Why legalize it now? I think it is because of how liberal the US is becoming.

[brooklyneast05]

yeah because something being one way means it should never change.

[synatribe]

you apparently haven't comprehended basically anything i've said. why legalize it now?

read carefully

BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE WANT PAIN RELIEF, ECT, WITHOUT BEING f*ckING PHYSICALLY DEPENDENT ON THEIR CURRENT PRESCRIBED MEDICINE. MARIJUANA IS NOT PHYSICALLY DEPENDENT. THE MEDICINE I TAKE NOW IS MORE DANGEROUS AND ADDICTIVE THAN MARIJUANA. SO, I WOULD BE AN IDIOT APPARENTLY FOR WANTING SOMETHING THAT'S LESS HARMFUL TO ME?
i'm with kevin and nicki now. stfu

trust me, there are probably many different types of pain relievers that are safer than marijuana,the medicine that these people are taking probably have alternatives, then why not ban the medicine their taking right now? why legalize marijuana insteading of banning what they are currently taking? always trying to find relief instead of actually trying to tackle the issue would be more irrational in my opinion. Also there might be a reason that the FDA approved of whatever medicine your talking about and the reason they approved that medicine and made marijuana illegal is probably not even pointed out in this thread anyways and we are probably arguing over a broad statement without the facts, so for anyone in this thread to call anyone wrong would be irrational.

[synatribe]

yeah because something being one way means it should never change.

I never said that, Im completely for change like gay marriage, Im not a conservative, unless you can prove to me that there is not a single treatment of relief that is safer then marijuana, then I'm not going to agree with you.

[dosomethin888]

i'm with kevin and nicki now. stfu

I was wondering how long it was gonna take.

[brooklyneast05]

until what? until i got tired of saying the same thing over and over? it's absolutely ridiculous and missing the point to say all this crap about how we need to prove there is no possible other medicine to use before we let medical patients use something that's not even more harmful than what they are already using.

it makes no sense to have this incredibly high standard for something so lightweight

[synatribe]

until what? until i got tired of saying the same thing over and over? it's absolutely ridiculous and missing the point to say all this crap about how we need to prove there is no possible other medicine to use before we let medical patients use something that's not even more harmful than what they are already using.

it makes no sense to have this incredibly high standard for something so lightweight

well dont you want to support your statements and at least give evidence that marijuana is necessary? it does make sense to have incredibly high standards because not everyone is JC:]

[synatribe]

and obviously if it were lightweight, we wouldnt be having this convo right now

[brooklyneast05]

what the f*ck are you talking about?

it doesn't have to be necessary to beneficial. i've given an example f*cking a million times over. it wouldn't be necessary that i use it becuase i have medicine now that i already use, so it's not NECESSARY. but it would be NICE and BENEFICIAL and POSITIVE to use something NOT ADDICTIVE.

why are you so hung up on it having to be NECESSARY as in there isn't any other choice before you're for it.

it is lightweight, that's why it's not ranked as a hard drug. ffs. if you think it's a hard drug you're an idiot, we already went over that.


stop double posting

[synatribe]

what the f*ck are you talking about?

it doesn't have to be necessary to beneficial. i've given an example f*cking a million times over. it wouldn't be necessary that i use it becuase i have medicine now that i already use, so it's not NECESSARY. but it would be NICE and BENEFICIAL and POSITIVE to use something NOT ADDICTIVE.

why are you so hung up on it having to be NECESSARY as in there isn't any other choice before you're for it.

it is lightweight, that's why it's not ranked as a hard drug. ffs. if you think it's a hard drug you're an idiot, we already went over that.

how many people is it actually beneficial for? have you ever thought about how many people might not find this beneficial?
if its just nice, is there really a reason to legalize it? no. its nice to the 2% of the population of cancer patients who actually use it.
you have to realize that there is going to be huge opposition which dosent make it a lightweight issue, you honestly dont expect society to agree with you do you? So if we let it pass, you think people are going to go quietly about the issue? Its a wrong move and we all know that, either
a) the government changes everyones perspective about the drug,
or
b) keep the law, the way it is.

[brooklyneast05]

it's not only for cancer patients....wtf? where the hell did you come up with that

[synatribe]

it's not only for cancer patients....wtf?

edit: not limited to cancer patients

[batman]

how many people is it actually beneficial for? have you ever thought about how many people might not find this beneficial? if its just nice, is there really a reason to legalize it? no. its nice to the 2% of the population of cancer patients who actually use it.

What about candy? What's candy good for? All candy does is contribute to the obesity of this already obese country. Is it beneficial? i think not.

you have to realize that there is going to be huge opposition which dosent make it a lightweight issue, you honestly dont expect society to agree with you do you? So if we let it pass, you think people are going to go quietly about the issue? Its a wrong move and we all know that, either
a) the government changes everyones perspective about the drug,
or
b) keep the law, the way it is.

You're forgetting about the alcohol Prohibition, aren't you. Read up on your history, son.

[dosomethin888]

What about candy? What's candy good for? All candy does is contribute to the obesity of this already obese country. Is it beneficial? i think not.

Are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have got to be joking.

Candy is not like a drug in the slightest.

[synatribe]

What about candy? What's candy good for? All candy does is contribute to the obesity of this already obese country. Is it beneficial? i think not.
You're forgetting about the alcohol Prohibition, aren't you. Read up on your history, son.

is candy detrimental to your emotional health? I think not
and for alcohol, that was passed after people's perspective of alcohol changed so there was a new normal, as of right now making marijuana legal would startle alot of people, eventually one day marijuana will be legal but right now is to premature (same case as alcolhol) and we are talking about medicinal uses for marijuana, which alcohol and candy have no relationship with.

[batman]

no we're not. we're talking about legalizing marijuana. nothing in the title or the OP does it says we're talking about marijuana specific to medical cases.

[synatribe]

no we're not. we're talking about legalizing marijuana. nothing in the title or the OP does it says we're talking about marijuana specific to medical cases.

exactly, so if marijuana does not have a need to be used for medical cases what does it need to be used for? getting high?

[batman]

yeah. what's wrong with that? getting high is fun. if you're gonna use that as an argument, maybe you might want to take a second to petition the banning of cigarettes and alcohol while you're at it.

anyways, i'm not going to repeat stuff that's already been said in the thread, as i feel like that's a waste of time.

you complained earlier about people disrespecting you, yeah? maybe if you grew a brain and learned how to read and interpret information and other peoples' arguments, you'd realize that you're going around in circles and just not getting it.

the end.

i'm done. grow up a little before you decide to play with the big kids. thanks.

[dosomethin888]

yeah. what's wrong with that? getting high is fun. if you're gonna use that as an argument, maybe you might want to take a second to petition the banning of cigarettes and alcohol while you're at it.

anyways, i'm not going to repeat stuff that's already been said in the thread, as i feel like that's a waste of time.

you complained earlier about people disrespecting you, yeah? maybe if you grew a brain and learned how to read and interpret information and other peoples' arguments, you'd realize that you're going around in circles and just not getting it.

the end.

i'm done. grow up a little before you decide to play with the big kids. thanks.

Ya cause the immature ones are staying away from drugs :/

[Joss-eh-lime]

So everything legal has to be necessary for a productive society?

no..but its not like legalizing marijuana will have benefits..
however, it quite possibly could be detrimental.
what are some legitimate benefits of legalizing it besides "medical" reasons?

[brooklyneast05]

read the thread?

1. freedom is actualized:
we live in a country that proposes to be free. the contents of our minds are a primary aspect of personal freedom. if the government is telling us we cannot control the contents of our minds through the use of drugs, than we can't say we're a free country.
2. the black market is defeated:
the drug war has only made selling drugs more profitable, in an effect, this has added to the proliferation of drugs (making them more accessible to everyone). if we legalize drugs (especially harmless drugs like cannabis) we can eliminate a black market that supports organized crime all over this nation & supplies criminals with the power & money to operate. this will lower associated crime (remember, black market disputes can't be taken to court. if someone snags your scag, you shoot them).
3. innocent people are allowed to live:
over fifty percent of our prisons are full of non-violent drug offenders. these people don't deserve the sentences that they are given. further, they are a costly aspect of our policy; we pay to imprison them & everyone pays when they are torn form their work, their lives, & their families.
4. medicinal benefits:
medical weed already helps millions of people all over the world; we need to jump on the bandwagon already.
5. we end the drug war:
less needless spending & effort & time on a worthless (& offensive) war against the american people.
6. etc.:
you suck for not thinking of any of these.

IF EVOLUTION IS A CRIME ONLY CRIMINALS WILL EVOLVE!

[synatribe]

yeah. what's wrong with that? getting high is fun. if you're gonna use that as an argument, maybe you might want to take a second to petition the banning of cigarettes and alcohol while you're at it.

anyways, i'm not going to repeat stuff that's already been said in the thread, as i feel like that's a waste of time.

you complained earlier about people disrespecting you, yeah? maybe if you grew a brain and learned how to read and interpret information and other peoples' arguments, you'd realize that you're going around in circles and just not getting it.

the end.

i'm done. grow up a little before you decide to play with the big kids. thanks.

just because you have to be immature about the fact that you wont respect the fact that youf post were complete bullshit dosent make anyone a "big kid" get over yourself seriously.

[synatribe]

1. freedom is actualized:
we live in a country that proposes to be free. the contents of our minds are a primary aspect of personal freedom. if the government is telling us we cannot control the contents of our minds through the use of drugs, than we can't say we're a free country.
2. the black market is defeated:
the drug war has only made selling drugs more profitable, in an effect, this has added to the proliferation of drugs (making them more accessible to everyone). if we legalize drugs (especially harmless drugs like cannabis) we can eliminate a black market that supports organized crime all over this nation & supplies criminals with the power & money to operate. this will lower associated crime (remember, black market disputes can't be taken to court. if someone snags your scag, you shoot them).
3. innocent people are allowed to live:
over fifty percent of our prisons are full of non-violent drug offenders. these people don't deserve the sentences that they are given. further, they are a costly aspect of our policy; we pay to imprison them & everyone pays when they are torn form their work, their lives, & their families.
4. medicinal benefits:
medical weed already helps millions of people all over the world; we need to jump on the bandwagon already.
5. we end the drug war:
less needless spending & effort & time on a worthless (& offensive) war against the american people.
6. etc.:
you suck for not thinking of any of these.

IF EVOLUTION IS A CRIME ONLY CRIMINALS WILL EVOLVE!

1. If we actually lived in a country that was free, then why do we have any leglislation at all, we might as well say murder is beneficial, because we could be killing people who could have been a threat and that would be considered constitutional?

2. The black market is necessary. Mafias and black markets have always played a strategic role to the economy and private industries which is why this country's government hasnt put a stop to it. If we really wanted to destroy the black market, we would have, but they can be beneficial in other ways.

3. 50% is big number which, I do not agree with, but whether they were illegal drug offenders, or illegal computer hackers, there will always be innocent people who are offended of something. Legalizing Marijuana does not get rid of the fact of being at the wrong place at the wrong time, or simply having bad luck, its just reality.

4. I believe stem cell research will be more beneficial, so why was it vetoed?

5. this needless war actually will help stimulate jobs and will help preserve jobs.

6. Thank you for thinking besides just the techincalitites of this debate and rather looking at it as a whole, you make debating fun, not frustrating :]

[MiSSP]

trust me, there are probably many different types of pain relievers that are safer than marijuana,the medicine that these people are taking probably have alternatives, then why not ban the medicine their taking right now? why legalize marijuana insteading of banning what they are currently taking? always trying to find relief instead of actually trying to tackle the issue would be more irrational in my opinion. Also there might be a reason that the FDA approved of whatever medicine your talking about and the reason they approved that medicine and made marijuana illegal is probably not even pointed out in this thread anyways and we are probably arguing over a broad statement without the facts, so for anyone in this thread to call anyone wrong would be irrational.

Erm, because ovbiously some of the medicine that is out isn't helping very much. =)
And pills? no thats not safer than marijuana. You can't overdose on weed, ya dig?

[mipadi]

1. If we actually lived in a country that was free, then why do we have any leglislation at all, we might as well say murder is beneficial, because we could be killing people who could have been a threat and that would be considered constitutional?

Murder is different. If you murder someone, you are encroaching on their right to live. You don't have an inalienable right to unilaterally take away the rights of others. Murder could be beneficial, but we already allow murder in certain specific cases (e.g, self-defense).

2. The black market is necessary. Mafias and black markets have always played a strategic role to the economy and private industries which is why this country's government hasnt put a stop to it. If we really wanted to destroy the black market, we would have, but they can be beneficial in other ways.

Black markets obviously don't pay taxes, so how is this in any way beneficial? I suppose you could say that this market "creates jobs", but it's not like anyone really sees the benefits of such markets. Legalizing marijuana, on the other hand, would generate tax revenue and create jobs. I don't think the creation of jobs is necessarily a compelling reason to legalize marijuana, but claiming that the underground drug market is important for the economy isn't a compelling reason to keep marijuana illegal.

3. 50% is big number which, I do not agree with, but whether they were illegal drug offenders, or illegal computer hackers, there will always be innocent people who are offended of something. Legalizing Marijuana does not get rid of the fact of being at the wrong place at the wrong time, or simply having bad luck, its just reality.

You're missing the point: Most drug offenders are not violent. Most are not threats to society. They're just people who wanted to do something on their own private time, but the government stepped in and arbitrarily decided that they're not allowed to do something that's not harming anyone else. Therefore, we spend millions of dollars (maybe even more -- I don't have statistics handy) and a majority of prison space to imprison people who are no threat. Do we really want -- or need -- to be spending that kind of money to lock these people up? Furthermore, merely prosecuting these cases takes up time and money in the court system which could be better spent addressing "real" cases.

4. I believe stem cell research will be more beneficial, so why was it vetoed?

Fallacy of false dilemma: the choice isn't "either we legalize marijuana or we allow support cell research". We could easily do both. For the record, I think we should support stem cell research.

5. this needless war actually will help stimulate jobs and will help preserve jobs.

I don't think we need to infringe on the personal rights of Americans in order to create jobs. If jobs are important, legalize marijuana, then use the money saved from fighting it, and the money saved from incarcerating non-violent drug offenders, and use it to build dams or bridges or roads, or remodel schools, or develop alternative energy sources, or something else that will create jobs and be helpful to society.