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Guns, Are they necessary? |
Apr 24 2009, 08:51 AM
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AIDS at RAVES. Group: Official Designer Posts: 2,386 Joined: Dec 2007 Member No: 598,878 |
So besides guns being allowed in the military, do you think guns should be allowed into regular peoples hand even if they have a license or a permit for it?
Many countries that are expected to surpass the US in a couple years do not allow guns, they only allow it for strict military reasons and defense reasons. Should US adopt this too? Opinions welcome, Cussing someone out and bashing isnt :] |
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Apr 24 2009, 08:58 AM
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^_^ Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 8,141 Joined: Jan 2005 Member No: 91,466 |
So besides guns being allowed in the military Firearms and weapons systems are necessary tools for acheiving missions and maintaining balance in a world with dictators like KJII. QUOTE do you think guns should be allowed into regular peoples hand even if they have a license or a permit for it? The posession of firearms should have strict regulations but it should not be illegal. Have you ever had an armed burglar break into your home? Without a firearm, how could you possibly manage to defend yourself if he became aggressive and violent? QUOTE Many countries that are expected to surpass the US in a couple years do not allow guns, they only allow it for strict military reasons and defense reasons. Should US adopt this too? In a perfect world, firearms would not be needed for self defense and they can be used as tools for military action or for the sport of marksmanship. We do not live in a perfect world. |
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Apr 24 2009, 09:03 AM
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I'm Jc Group: Mentor Posts: 13,619 Joined: Jul 2006 Member No: 437,556 |
nah
people should be able to have guns. i think there should be strict regulation, licenses, ect ect. although, no i don't think it's "necessary" that people have like big ass machine guns or something in their house. but if they were to take away the right to own a gun, then only the criminals will have the guns. the rest of us will just be screwed. i don't like guns and i'm not big on all that, but when i have a family and what not, there'll be a gun in my house. shit happens and i'm not about to be the one without any defense. plus, our citizens are supposed to be able to protect themselves. we're supposed to have a militia of sorts. edit: brandon basically beat me. what he said. |
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Apr 24 2009, 09:09 AM
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AIDS at RAVES. Group: Official Designer Posts: 2,386 Joined: Dec 2007 Member No: 598,878 |
Firearms and weapons systems are necessary tools for acheiving missions and maintaining balance in a world with dictators like KJII. In my OP I supported the military having guns The posession of firearms should have strict regulations but it should not be illegal. Have you ever had an armed burglar break into your home? Without a firearm, how could you possibly manage to defend yourself if he became aggressive and violent? I think without guns there would be less break in's and burgularies, I mean guns can cause confidence, if you were expecting to break into someones house without a gun, you would have to rely on complete fighting skills. This would also allow people to go out and learn self defense skills (not really important). There would for sure be fewer house break in's from younger more aggressive people, also I would rather be attacked with a knife or a stick rather then a gun cause at least I have a chance at defending myself and in court cases, at least you cannot be tried for murder if you defend yourself without a gun, people use guns to defend themselves and eventually get tried for murder, which is even worse in my opinion. In a perfect world, firearms would not be needed for self defense and they can be used as tools for military action or for the sport of marksmanship. We do not live in a perfect world. Whether you have guns or not does not really define a perfect world, it could be a safer world. What if, allowing guns into the hands of the public is actually hindering us from a utopia? |
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Apr 24 2009, 09:51 AM
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^_^ Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 8,141 Joined: Jan 2005 Member No: 91,466 |
I think without guns there would be less break in's and burgularies, I mean guns can cause confidence, if you were expecting to break into someones house without a gun, you would have to rely on complete fighting skills. This would also allow people to go out and learn self defense skills (not really important). There would for sure be fewer house break in's from younger more aggressive people, also I would rather be attacked with a knife or a stick rather then a gun cause at least I have a chance at defending myself and in court cases, at least you cannot be tried for murder if you defend yourself without a gun, people use guns to defend themselves and eventually get tried for murder, which is even worse in my opinion. You can't present an argument based on facts and rely solely on your opinion to get you through the debate without any facts to back up. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/guns.htm Virtually anywhere you search, the focal point is how dangerous guns are and how many crimes were committed with the use of a firearm. When, in reality, take a look at the big picture, you'll find that many of these crimes were committed with the use of an illegally obtained weapon. QUOTE Whether you have guns or not does not really define a perfect world, it could be a safer world. What if, allowing guns into the hands of the public is actually hindering us from a utopia? "In a perfect world..." perhaps you misunderstood me. I meant to say that there shouldn't be a need for firearms in such a capacity. Our society has far more hindering us from a utopia than the legal posession of firearms. |
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Apr 24 2009, 10:12 AM
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Ley <3 Group: Member Posts: 579 Joined: Jul 2008 Member No: 664,894 |
I dont think guns are necessary for the public to have. I live in Texas where virtually everyone has guns. Im personally sick of reading the headlines where a housewife was pmsin and shot the mail man, ups guy, plumer, cable guy... thinking he was some wierd perv that was breaking in or something. Situations get out of control quickly and fire arms just add to the consequences. Though, i guess she could of just as easily stabbed him, in which case nothing i have said even matters.
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Apr 24 2009, 10:50 AM
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Ummm... I can't think of anything creative to put here Group: Human Posts: 410 Joined: Mar 2005 Member No: 118,965 |
Remember in school, when the teacher was talking about a time in our history called the Revolutionary War. If you dont, it was basically about a bunch of citizens taking up arms, and fighting what they perceived to be a tyranical government, known as Great Britain. Now, these bunch of citizens do not have a professional military, so what the do is use their own firearms and fight the British when ever they needed to. History has deemed these brave citizens as Minutemen. The name came about from the fact that they were ready to fight at any given time. If it weren't for these minutemen, we would be having tea time at noon while eating a scone; having a jolly ol' time.
Now lets say our current government does things that we as citizens do not approve of, or perceive as tyranical, we have firearms in which to defend our rights as a free nation. Taking away our weapons is taking away the second amendment, which was one of the first rights that our forefather fought to give us. Sorry about the grammar and spelling. Gotta make it to chow. |
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Apr 24 2009, 11:28 AM
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Senior Member Group: Official Member Posts: 1,574 Joined: Aug 2007 Member No: 555,438 |
Remember in school, when the teacher was talking about a time in our history called the Revolutionary War. If you dont, it was basically about a bunch of citizens taking up arms, and fighting what they perceived to be a tyranical government, known as Great Britain. Now, these bunch of citizens do not have a professional military, so what the do is use their own firearms and fight the British when ever they needed to. History has deemed these brave citizens as Minutemen. The name came about from the fact that they were ready to fight at any given time. If it weren't for these minutemen, we would be having tea time at noon while eating a scone; having a jolly ol' time. Now lets say our current government does things that we as citizens do not approve of, or perceive as tyranical, we have firearms in which to defend our rights as a free nation. Taking away our weapons is taking away the second amendment, which was one of the first rights that our forefather fought to give us. Sorry about the grammar and spelling. Gotta make it to chow. I completely agree with this. We cannot loose our firearms. I dont think guns are necessary for the public to have. I live in Texas where virtually everyone has guns. Im personally sick of reading the headlines where a housewife was pmsin and shot the mail man, ups guy, plumer, cable guy... thinking he was some wierd perv that was breaking in or something. Situations get out of control quickly and fire arms just add to the consequences. Though, i guess she could of just as easily stabbed him, in which case nothing i have said even matters. A gun is a tool, and just like any tool can be used for good or bad. Just because some retard kills someone with his gun doesn't mean I should loose the right to own one. Joe could have killed with a wrench, knife, etc... he wanted to kill and guns didn't make him do it. You're right, if someone is out to kill they're going to kill regardless of guns being available or not. |
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Apr 24 2009, 12:54 PM
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Senior Member Group: Official Member Posts: 6,349 Joined: Aug 2006 Member No: 455,274 |
Very much so. We live in a country in which totalitarianism wants to take over. Our founding fathers have made this clear, and Bush sr. + Bush jr. proved it.
Anyways as long as the NRA exists, the government will not get in the way directly. Instead they will indirectly take our guns away, how? By chipping away on the ways to legally own guns. Such as insurance hikes, taxation on guns, taxation on bullets, etc... |
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*BOSS* |
Apr 24 2009, 03:09 PM
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Apr 24 2009, 03:29 PM
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I'm Jc Group: Mentor Posts: 13,619 Joined: Jul 2006 Member No: 437,556 |
I think without guns there would be less break in's and burgularies, I mean guns can cause confidence, if you were expecting to break into someones house without a gun, you would have to rely on complete fighting skills. This would also allow people to go out and learn self defense skills (not really important). There would for sure be fewer house break in's from younger more aggressive people, also I would rather be attacked with a knife or a stick rather then a gun cause at least I have a chance at defending myself and in court cases, at least you cannot be tried for murder if you defend yourself without a gun, people use guns to defend themselves and eventually get tried for murder, which is even worse in my opinion. You can't present an argument based on facts and rely solely on your opinion to get you through the debate without any facts to back up. for real. there's no reason whatsoever to think that making guns illegal will mean that guns in the hands of criminals will just disappear. drugs are illegal, and we can clearly see that saying "drugs are illegal!" hasn't stopped people from having them. it will be the same thing. making guns illegal will prevent the responsible firearm owners from having a gun, and the people we don't want to have guns will still have them. i agree that it will probably stop some armed robbery and what not by some "young aggressive people", but at what cost? |
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Apr 24 2009, 04:30 PM
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Senior Member Group: Official Member Posts: 6,349 Joined: Aug 2006 Member No: 455,274 |
man lol... I can't wait til the day comes, some little motherf*cker comes to my front door askin for my guns... I'm gonna put some hot ass led into his pussy f*ckin face and then piss on his bloody, dead, bitch ass.
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Apr 25 2009, 08:28 AM
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Ummm... I can't think of anything creative to put here Group: Human Posts: 410 Joined: Mar 2005 Member No: 118,965 |
^All that aint even necessary
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Apr 25 2009, 12:29 PM
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[Insert something Witty Here] Group: Member Posts: 363 Joined: Dec 2007 Member No: 598,828 |
There should be restrictions on what caliber and where you can have it. Assault rifles should be banned outside of the military
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Apr 25 2009, 12:50 PM
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Senior Member Group: Official Member Posts: 6,349 Joined: Aug 2006 Member No: 455,274 |
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Apr 25 2009, 01:14 PM
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Ley <3 Group: Member Posts: 579 Joined: Jul 2008 Member No: 664,894 |
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Apr 25 2009, 02:31 PM
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Senior Member Group: Official Member Posts: 6,349 Joined: Aug 2006 Member No: 455,274 |
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Apr 25 2009, 03:07 PM
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in a matter of time Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,151 Joined: Aug 2005 Member No: 191,357 |
Okay I will admit I didn't read everything in this topic (no time, this is a fly-by post), but here's my two cents:
My argument isn't based on how eliminating guns will eliminate guns for criminals (which is illogical anyway). It involves possessing guns in the first place - every year there are thousands of people who are accidentally killed by guns in the hands of ordinary, everyday people. The truth is that most people don't know how to handle a gun (thus all these accidents), and even more people don't know how to store/hide the gun in a safe place (thus having a large number of these accidents involve children). So the benefit of being able to protect yourself is very plausibly being offset by the costs of accidental deaths. Also, what makes you think that owning a gun makes you safer? It's hard to know how you'll react in a high-pressure situation, and having that gun may actually prove to be worthless if you don't have the proper training (i.e. police-level training) for handling guns...your reflexes slow down, your vision becomes focused on a target and you could even hurt other people accidentally. The element of shock will always be a hindrance to your protection, even if you have a gun to "protect" yourself. Which is why I would definitely advocate for stricter regulations on guns. Proper knowledge of gun safety, how to handle a gun, training in high-pressure situations, proper storage of a gun...There's no doubt that having a gun, given that you know how to use it effectively, will protect you. But without all the regulations I mentioned, having a gun would be completely useless and potentially dangerous. |
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Apr 25 2009, 04:08 PM
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Senior Member Group: Official Member Posts: 6,349 Joined: Aug 2006 Member No: 455,274 |
Which is why I would definitely advocate for stricter regulations on guns. Proper knowledge of gun safety, how to handle a gun, training in high-pressure situations, proper storage of a gun...There's no doubt that having a gun, given that you know how to use it effectively, will protect you. But without all the regulations I mentioned, having a gun would be completely useless and potentially dangerous. No offense, by any means, but take a course in conceal weapons. What you're sayin is nothing new, there's many different laws for different scenarios, and as a gun owner, I know them like the back of my hand. I would hope those who have a permit, since they passed the test, would abide by the law of the land. |
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Apr 25 2009, 04:59 PM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 944 Joined: Jul 2008 Member No: 663,413 |
People kill people. And if they dont have guns to do it, they will obtain some other weapon to do it. Ya, I think there should be strict regulations on it but I think guns are necessary, especially for self defense. If you take guns away from ordinary people, the criminals will still be able to get them illegally.
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Apr 25 2009, 10:43 PM
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[Insert something Witty Here] Group: Member Posts: 363 Joined: Dec 2007 Member No: 598,828 |
"If guns kill people, then pencils misspell words"
Safety First, Laws and Regs next |
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Apr 26 2009, 01:04 AM
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Sarcastic Mr. Know-It-All Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 2,089 Joined: Dec 2003 Member No: 29 |
Okay I will admit I didn't read everything in this topic (no time, this is a fly-by post), but here's my two cents: My argument isn't based on how eliminating guns will eliminate guns for criminals (which is illogical anyway). It involves possessing guns in the first place - every year there are thousands of people who are accidentally killed by guns in the hands of ordinary, everyday people. The truth is that most people don't know how to handle a gun (thus all these accidents), and even more people don't know how to store/hide the gun in a safe place (thus having a large number of these accidents involve children). So the benefit of being able to protect yourself is very plausibly being offset by the costs of accidental deaths. Do you know how many automobile accidents occur? Far more than firearms related accidents. Should we ban cars? QUOTE Also, what makes you think that owning a gun makes you safer? It's hard to know how you'll react in a high-pressure situation, and having that gun may actually prove to be worthless if you don't have the proper training (i.e. police-level training) for handling guns...your reflexes slow down, your vision becomes focused on a target and you could even hurt other people accidentally. The element of shock will always be a hindrance to your protection, even if you have a gun to "protect" yourself. Yes... but how can you train when you're not allowed to own the guns in the first place? QUOTE Which is why I would definitely advocate for stricter regulations on guns. Proper knowledge of gun safety, how to handle a gun, training in high-pressure situations, proper storage of a gun...There's no doubt that having a gun, given that you know how to use it effectively, will protect you. But without all the regulations I mentioned, having a gun would be completely useless and potentially dangerous. But with all the regulations you mentioned, it's nearly impossible to own and operate a gun... |
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Apr 28 2009, 03:06 PM
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Senior Member Group: Official Member Posts: 1,574 Joined: Aug 2007 Member No: 555,438 |
Guns start with G... Good starts with G.... Guns ends with S... Safe starts with S... coincidence, I think not. You need to own more than one to be safe, and being safe is good.
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Apr 28 2009, 03:07 PM
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Senior Member Group: Official Member Posts: 6,349 Joined: Aug 2006 Member No: 455,274 |
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Apr 28 2009, 03:09 PM
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Senior Member Group: Official Member Posts: 1,574 Joined: Aug 2007 Member No: 555,438 |
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