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Mosque next to Ground Zero in New York, Should it be allowed ?
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post Sep 14 2010, 10:48 PM
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There has been controversy about a Mosque being built next to Ground Zero (3 blocks away I believe). Should it be allowed?

I am kind of surprised there has yet to be a topic about it...if there is and I missed it my bad.
 
 
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post Sep 24 2010, 06:14 AM
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^ No because not even (most) opponents claim that there is a legal impediment to it, just a "moral" one (which doesn't even make sense).

This is the best article on the subject I've seen written. Christopher Hitchens manages to both bash Islam (as an atheist) and defend the mosque in the same passage.

In reference to the site's opponents: "Where to start with this part-pathetic and part-sinister appeal to demagogy? To begin with, it borrows straight from the playbook of Muslim cultural blackmail. Claim that something is 'offensive,' and it is as if the assertion itself has automatically become an argument."

Just because it's offensive doesn't make it liable to be acted upon. Whether it's Muslims crying over Danish cartoons depicting Muhammad or Americans rallying against a community center that happens to contain a mosque, the message is the same: get the f*ck over it. We have freedom of expression and the gravest offense of all is to have that trifled with.

QUOTE(LittleMissSunshine @ Sep 16 2010, 08:54 PM) *
Islams have nothing to do with Ground Zero.. IT WAS TERRORISTS who weren't even Islamic.


This, though, is also not right. Wahhabism and extremism is still Islam.

"Her identification as a Muslim suffered a strong blow after 9/11. After listening to videotapes of Osama bin Laden citing 'words of justification' in the Qur'an for the attacks, she writes, 'I picked up the Quran and the hadith and started looking through them, to check. I hated to do it, because I knew that I would find Bin Laden's quotations in there.'"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_hirsi_ali

I am Iranian. I am antitheist but my relatives are Shi'ite Muslims. They may be peaceful Islam-followers, but that's only because they do not take the Quran literally. Both Christian and Muslim religious tomes are morally despicable and can only be followed incrementally in order to be socially acceptable.
 

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spambot   Mosque next to Ground Zero in New York   Sep 14 2010, 10:48 PM
Simba   yeppers sorry, not an in depth answer, but the a...   Sep 14 2010, 10:48 PM
spambot   I agree. I think it's another one of those obv...   Sep 14 2010, 10:54 PM
serotonin   QUOTE(spambot @ Sep 14 2010, 10:54 PM) I ...   Sep 14 2010, 11:33 PM
serotonin   Don't like him but I liked this.   Sep 14 2010, 11:31 PM
Uronacid   Honestly, being someone from New York, I can see w...   Sep 16 2010, 09:50 AM
LittleMissSunshine   BUT ITS NOT THE MOSQUES FAULT... Islams have nothi...   Sep 16 2010, 08:54 PM
Uso   QUOTE(LittleMissSunshine @ Sep 16 2010, 09...   Sep 17 2010, 02:19 PM
spambot   That's the equivalent to giving a 2 year old w...   Sep 17 2010, 03:21 PM
Uso   True. This may sound dumb But maybe they shoul...   Sep 17 2010, 04:11 PM
Reidar   ^ No because not even (most) opponents claim that ...   Sep 24 2010, 06:14 AM
StuckInAMoshPit   Last time I checked, we were a country founded on ...   Sep 24 2010, 05:18 PM
Reidar   The Taliban are actually against the mosque, too.   Sep 24 2010, 05:35 PM
DoubleJ   I am completely against it being built here. I had...   Sep 24 2010, 07:29 PM
LittleMissSunshine   it's not even a mosque.. it's a muslim/isl...   Sep 24 2010, 08:02 PM
ButtsexV2   all points are null once you realize it's not ...   Sep 24 2010, 09:12 PM
DoubleJ   People need to realize, that this is how this coun...   Sep 24 2010, 10:03 PM
StuckInAMoshPit   ^He has a point. Even within a race, certain commu...   Sep 25 2010, 05:09 PM
lovebuddha   It would be just as simple to put it somewhere els...   Oct 1 2010, 12:44 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(lovebuddha @ Oct 1 2010, 01:44 AM) ...   Oct 1 2010, 09:13 AM
serotonin   QUOTE(mipadi @ Oct 1 2010, 09:13 AM) Yeah...   Oct 1 2010, 09:54 AM
DoubleJ   QUOTE(serotonin @ Oct 1 2010, 10:54 AM) T...   Oct 1 2010, 06:10 PM
lovebuddha   And also, to make another point: They come here a...   Oct 16 2010, 09:00 PM
serotonin   ^you only say that becuse you're so intolerint...   Oct 16 2010, 10:55 PM
lovebuddha   QUOTE(serotonin @ Oct 16 2010, 11:55 PM) ...   Oct 16 2010, 11:32 PM
serotonin   QUOTE(lovebuddha @ Oct 16 2010, 11:32 PM)...   Oct 17 2010, 12:26 AM
lovebuddha   QUOTE(serotonin @ Oct 17 2010, 01:26 AM) ...   Oct 17 2010, 01:41 AM
serotonin   look i wasn't trying to be mean i just have an...   Oct 17 2010, 12:52 PM
Simba   QUOTE(serotonin @ Oct 17 2010, 01:52 PM) ...   Oct 18 2010, 10:40 AM
datass   stfu midget.   Oct 17 2010, 01:06 PM
serotonin   RE: Mosque next to Ground Zero in New York   Oct 18 2010, 10:43 AM
lovebuddha   wtf.. i've got plenty going for me and a great...   Oct 20 2010, 06:36 PM
ButtsexV2   QUOTE(lovebuddha @ Oct 20 2010, 06:36 PM)...   Oct 20 2010, 07:00 PM
lovebuddha   Cause everyone has been an ass since I joined this...   Oct 20 2010, 07:53 PM
ButtsexV2   then leave, nobody is stopping you. we're not...   Oct 20 2010, 09:27 PM
lovebuddha   My opinions are quite common, actually. Why should...   Oct 20 2010, 09:49 PM
ButtsexV2   QUOTE(lovebuddha @ Oct 20 2010, 09:49 PM)...   Oct 21 2010, 11:04 AM
serotonin   are you a boy or a girl   Oct 21 2010, 07:44 AM
lovebuddha   okay, yeah i'm over it now.   Oct 21 2010, 08:59 PM
Uronacid   I love how they tried to pass this shit off as an ...   Oct 28 2010, 12:31 PM
lovebuddha   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Oct 28 2010, 01:31 PM) I...   Oct 28 2010, 09:18 PM
serotonin   QUOTE(lovebuddha @ Oct 28 2010, 09:18 PM)...   Oct 29 2010, 01:31 AM
lovebuddha   QUOTE(serotonin @ Oct 29 2010, 02:31 AM) ...   Oct 29 2010, 02:28 AM
mipadi   I love how this controversy was sparked by a Tea P...   Oct 28 2010, 04:03 PM
ButtsexV2   QUOTE(mipadi @ Oct 28 2010, 04:03 PM) I l...   Oct 28 2010, 04:57 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(mipadi @ Oct 28 2010, 05:03 PM) I l...   Nov 3 2010, 11:00 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Nov 3 2010, 11:00 AM) Te...   Nov 12 2010, 10:45 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(mipadi @ Nov 12 2010, 10:45 AM) Oka...   Dec 20 2010, 09:44 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Dec 20 2010, 09:44 AM) G...   Dec 20 2010, 04:04 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(mipadi @ Dec 20 2010, 04:04 PM) You...   Jan 24 2011, 11:00 AM
Simba   i love me some good ad hominem   Nov 2 2010, 11:07 PM
boot   I'm not going to lie, as much as I hate extrem...   Nov 3 2010, 04:40 PM
spambot   extreme anything is usually a bad thing   Nov 3 2010, 08:15 PM
boot   EXTREME MODERATES FINAL DESTINATION   Nov 3 2010, 09:30 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(boot @ Nov 3 2010, 09:30 PM) EXTREM...   Nov 11 2010, 08:20 AM
spambot   This has little to nothing to do with this topic/y...   Nov 13 2010, 01:35 AM
Stuckie   There is no sensible reason for building a Mosque ...   May 8 2011, 09:36 AM
serotonin   um. your dumb. its not a mosque its a community ...   May 8 2011, 10:28 AM
Stuckie   Mosque or islamic community center. It makes no di...   May 8 2011, 11:32 AM
brooklyneast05   yeah steven, stfu. the govt should shut that shit ...   May 8 2011, 12:37 PM
serotonin   ya u rite jc my bad i guess those websites musta b...   May 8 2011, 01:02 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(serotonin @ May 8 2011, 01:02 PM) y...   May 9 2011, 06:44 AM
DoubleJ   Lol. I don't know, I am for them building it, ...   May 9 2011, 01:22 AM
Stuckie   People are still talking about his death. Hell, pe...   May 9 2011, 05:06 AM
DoubleJ   QUOTE(Stuckie @ May 9 2011, 06:06 AM) Peo...   May 9 2011, 02:46 PM


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