Demonstrating your freedom..., what do you do, at what cost? |
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 Sep 19 2005, 04:09 PM
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In American society, or any democratic society for that matter, freedom is so often taken for granted and overlooked. Do you demonstrate your freedom, patriotism, or enthuiasm for the country in which you live? i.e. - voting, display of the flag, actively involved in the community? Just like to get your opinions; we've been debating it in school, and I'd like to present some other points of views. (and no, it's not homework, I'm just interested)
I'm proud to be an American, and I'll vote as soon as I am able, (in about a year or so).... |
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Sep 19 2005, 04:26 PM
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we have a flag placed right outside our front door and we do the pledge every monday in school...
i guess you could say im semi-patriotic. |
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Sep 19 2005, 04:54 PM
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 4/5th of all people do not understand fractions.  Group: Member Posts: 735 Joined: Jul 2005 Member No: 169,498 |
I just glad slavery is over!
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Sep 19 2005, 04:56 PM
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 hi. call me linda. Group: Official Member Posts: 8,187 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,475 |
Hmm, that's interesting, my government class was discussing this last week. Well, we say the pledge every morning, and when I turn 18 (in about half a year), I will vote.
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Sep 19 2005, 05:05 PM
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 dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
i question authority.
it's only healthy to do that. and yes i will vote. |
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Sep 19 2005, 05:06 PM
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 Shove it Group: Member Posts: 496 Joined: Jan 2005 Member No: 91,641 |
I just turned 18 at the beginning of September so I'll probably vote in the local elections happening this November. I stand when they say the pledge in the morning at school and during the national anthem at sporting events. I think it's really disrespectful and rude when people talk, make noise, or even laugh during the pledge and especially the national anthem. I realize that not everybody has the same views and respect for the flag, pledge, anthem, etc. and that's fine but that doesn't mean you have to be rude.
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Sep 19 2005, 05:11 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
that flag represents freedom, the freedom to say bad about your government and not be punished, the freedom to laugh and joke during a pledge and not get punished.
it is very unamerican to make people stop. |
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Sep 19 2005, 05:20 PM
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Shove it Group: Member Posts: 496 Joined: Jan 2005 Member No: 91,641 |
QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Sep 19 2005, 5:11 PM) that flag represents freedom, the freedom to say bad about your government and not be punished, the freedom to laugh and joke during a pledge and not get punished. it is very unamerican to make people stop.  I think you're right BUT remember this quote by JFK "The right to one man's freedom stops when the right to another man's freedom is compromised." People also have the right to enjoy the pledge and their anthem and taking that away is not respecting their rights. If they don't bad-mouth your anti-government feelings, then why should you have the right to disturb them from their pledge/anthem? |
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Sep 19 2005, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE(Hell-Rell @ Sep 19 2005, 5:54 PM) I just glad slavery is over! Oh my god, you don't know how annoyed you just made me by saying that. My mom is black, my mom and I often argue about slavery. She says that white people took advantage of black peoples ignorance. But considering that there were more black people then white I consider it black peoples stupidity that they just gave themselves over to white people for some god damn cellotape and shiny buttons. Onto topic: I use my rights; I pee on the floor at public toilets and throw coconuts at torists! |
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Sep 20 2005, 07:52 AM
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 Lil JC Group: Member Posts: 868 Joined: May 2005 Member No: 145,741 |
yeah i use the right to stir up trouble all the time
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Sep 20 2005, 09:59 AM
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 yan lin♥ Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 14,129 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 13,627 |
even though i go to an American school (note: i don't live in the US), our school isn't very "american." we may be american in the way we dress and talk, but i don't think that most of the school is very patriotic.
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Sep 20 2005, 10:15 AM
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 Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 1,665 Joined: Apr 2005 Member No: 127,076 |
Yes, in my class, we do the pledge everyday...
But even if the flag represents freedom, I don't think we have any. Not much to say. Yes, freedom is over, but. Just, nevermind, my words aren't coming out right... 
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Sep 20 2005, 11:35 AM
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 cB Assassin Group: Official Member Posts: 10,147 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 7,672 |
I do it by saying
"The Sith will rule the galaxy" |
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Sep 20 2005, 12:04 PM
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 april Group: Member Posts: 84 Joined: Sep 2005 Member No: 240,662 |
I'm very patriotic but I just don't express it much...
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Sep 20 2005, 01:03 PM
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 dakishimetainoni... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 4,322 Joined: Dec 2004 Member No: 75,318 |
i don't think that reciting the pledge or singing the national anthem means anything.
you can still be atheist and be patriotic. why should you have to go against your own beliefs to prove that you're patriotic by reciting the pledge? the national anthem has been debated so many times because it basically glorifies war and some americans don't want america to be portrayed that way. i personally don't believe that voting really means anything...it's not like your actual vote counts. everyone in your state votes and whoever wins your state, they get the electoral votes your state is designated. that's why presidential candidates usually go to the states that have the most electoral votes like california, new york, texas, etc. you don't really see them taking time out to go to delaware or vermont who have 3 votes each. |
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Sep 20 2005, 03:52 PM
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QUOTE(Chii @ Sep 20 2005, 1:03 PM) i don't think that reciting the pledge or singing the national anthem means anything. you can still be atheist and be patriotic. why should you have to go against your own beliefs to prove that you're patriotic by reciting the pledge? the national anthem has been debated so many times because it basically glorifies war and some americans don't want america to be portrayed that way. i personally don't believe that voting really means anything...it's not like your actual vote counts. everyone in your state votes and whoever wins your state, they get the electoral votes your state is designated. that's why presidential candidates usually go to the states that have the most electoral votes like california, new york, texas, etc. you don't really see them taking time out to go to delaware or vermont who have 3 votes each. You're are alluding to the "One nation under God" part of the pledge, correct? I think that saying the pledge doesn't elicit what you believe religously. The "under God" part represents that this nation was established under God when our forefathers founded it. The national anthem does portray war, and yes, I wish it were a different song; however, it also symbolizes hope. While there were bombs, gunfire, screams, and explosions, the flag still flew. Kind of like how America can make it through any trial. Yeah, I don't see the point of the electroal college voting system. It's why the presidents don't really come to Indiana becuase it always votes Republican. So if you're a Dem., it really doesn't matter to vote. I say change it to popular vote-- that's the true way to measure the people's choice. What irks me is when people complian about their leaders, but they didn't even bother to vote about them. |
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