Jews, Muslims, and Christians? Rating Options

[Mikeplyts]

Who's right?



I was studying this today and got interested in it but I'm just wondering, whose land is it? Who do Christians "support" the most? Does the Bible have any relation to the Muslim or Jewish "Book"? (Sorry, forgot their names).

[Uronacid]

this was nor am i going to view my religion as superior.

In this sentence you imply that you believe in a religion. If you believe in a religion then there is a "right" answer. Your own. If you believe your religion is not superior, is "wrong", and is man made then why do you practice it at all? Just food for thought.

Anyway, I'm a Christian. I believe my religion is "right". Why? For various reasons, but ultimately because I believe in it. I don't try and convince people to become a christian. Religion isn't a product and doesn't need to be sold. It's something that people need to discover on their own.

[-DressYourEyelid...]

In this sentence you imply that you believe in a religion. If you believe in a religion then there is a "right" answer. Your own. If you believe your religion is not superior, is "wrong", and is man made then why do you practice it at all? Just food for thought.

sorry, i didn't exactly word that right. i meant that all religions are imperfect.

i practice a religion even with the knowledge that it is most likely wrong because it it best suits my lifestyle, ethics and conscience.

[kryogenix]

sorry, i didn't exactly word that right. i meant that all religions are imperfect.

i practice a religion even with the knowledge that it is most likely wrong because it it best suits my lifestyle, ethics and conscience.

That's incredibly stupid.

Why follow something that you claim to know is not the absolute truth? You're basically saying you're living a lie. You are an adherent out of convenience, not because you believe.

[-DressYourEyelid...]

That's incredibly stupid.

Why follow something that you claim to know is not the absolute truth? You're basically saying you're living a lie. You are an adherent out of convenience, not because you believe.

because i'm not a pompous ***hole who is naive and closed minded enough to believe that every religion other than my own will give anyone practicing so a one way ticket to damnation.

and religion is all about convenience. faith is not. they're different things entirely.

[kryogenix]

because i'm not a pompous ***hole who is naive and closed minded enough to believe that every religion other than my own will give anyone practicing so a one way ticket to damnation.

No, but you're foolish enough to believe that you're open minded when you hold religious beliefs that are mutually exclusive to other religious beliefs. By accepting one belief as absolute truth, you are rejecting any contradictory beliefs.

Or are you saying that you believe that no one is right? Then what's the point of religion at all?

and religion is all about convenience. faith is not. they're different things entirely.

Tell that to these people. I'm sure being burned on crosses and being fed to lions was their idea of holding beliefs out of convenience.

[mipadi]

Tell that to these people. I'm sure being burned on crosses and being fed to lions was their idea of holding beliefs out of convenience.

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Historical context. In all fairness, that was from a completely different time, when people thought about religion in a completely different way. As Nietzsche said, "Gott ist tot. Und wir haben ihn getötet."

[Uronacid]

Historical context. In all fairness, that was from a completely different time, when people thought about religion in a completely different way. As Nietzsche said, "Gott ist tot. Und wir haben ihn getötet."

Just because we don't have to worry about being burned at the stake anymore doesn't mean we don't take our religion seriously. I'm 100% sure that there are many individuals who would burn at the stake before renouncing their beliefs in this day and age as well. While religion has become a joke for most people. Nietzsche was clearly being over dramatic when he said that. To this day there are still many people who truly are religious.

I've been ridiculed for my faith plenty of times. I've learned a valuable lesson as a result:

"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him." - Prvb 26:4

[mipadi]

Nietzsche was clearly being over dramatic when he said that.

Nietzsche may have spoken aphoristically, but I don't think he was being overly dramatic. He was making a careful observation that in the modern world, even people who are devout don't believe in God (or gods) the same way that people did once upon a time.

[Uronacid]

Nietzsche may have spoken aphoristically, but I don't think he was being overly dramatic. He was making a careful observation that in the modern world, even people who are devout don't believe in God (or gods) the same way that people did once upon a time.

Shouting "God is Dead." and "We have killed him." are hardly a careful statements to make. We simply do not react to religion the same way because we have no fear of persecution. Choosing a religion just doesn't put your life at risk anymore therefore there is a greater percentage of less serious followers in each religion.

[mipadi]

Shouting "God is Dead." and "We have killed him." are hardly a careful statements to make.

He didn't shout it, he wrote it -- as part of a much larger treatise.

We simply do not react to religion the same way because we have no fear of persecution. Choosing a religion just doesn't put your life at risk anymore therefore there is a greater percentage of less serious followers in each religion.

You seem to have just reiterated Nietzsche's point.

[Uronacid]

He didn't shout it, he wrote it -- as part of a much larger treatise.
You seem to have just reiterated Nietzsche's point.

I haven't reiterated Nietzsche's point. I've been pretty mild in what I've said. Again, he was too extreme regarding the subject. Yes there are people that do not take religion seriously (dressyoureyelids is a clear example of this), however there are still many devote followers of religion.

Anything with self denial isn't something I'd consider being done out of convenience.

Agreed

[mipadi]

I haven't reiterated Nietzsche's point. I've been much more mild in my statement. Again, he was too extreme regarding the subject. Yes there are people that do not take religion seriously (dressyoureyelids is a clear example of this), however there are still many devote followers of religion.

It's not a matter of whether people still take religion seriously or not. The point is that even people who claim to take religion seriously don't take it seriously in the same sense as people hundreds of years ago.

In what way was he too extreme?

[Uronacid]

It's not a matter of whether people still take religion seriously or not. The point is that even people who claim to take religion seriously don't take it seriously in the same sense as people hundreds of years ago.

In what way was he too extreme?

He's generalizing. There will always be black sheep. People who clain to be serious and fail when their tested. On the other hand, there are still people today who take it just as seriously as people hundreds of years ago.