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Is it acceptable for parents to lie about the existence of Santa Claus?
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post Mar 14 2009, 07:54 PM
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Well if we let parents make kids believe in god at such young ages, why not? Either way it takes a way some freedom.
 
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post Mar 17 2009, 10:05 AM
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The whole point of christmas is to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. (Thats not what it originally was, but thats for another topic.) Why would you need a fictional character for a holiday that is supposed to be for Christ? And if you're not christian, and you dont believe in christ, you shouldn't celebrate the holiday anyway. If you want a day specifically for the giving and receiving of gifts, pick a random date and call it "Gift Day". Why would anybody want to purpously raise their kids to be ignorant? And when they find out, wonder why their child seems less innocent than when they were blinded by lies? Just my opinion.
 
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post Mar 17 2009, 10:23 AM
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QUOTE(Stuckie @ Mar 17 2009, 10:05 AM) *
And if you're not christian, and you dont believe in christ, you shouldn't celebrate the holiday anyway.


why should whether you are christian or not have any bearing on santa clause? two unrelated things. you already pointed out that christ wasn't born then anyway so why should those who believe in christ be celebrating it?


christians just confuse me.



 
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post Mar 17 2009, 12:22 PM
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i cried when my mom told me the truth
 
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post Mar 17 2009, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE(NoSex @ Aug 22 2008, 01:10 PM) *
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Dear Editor: I am 8 years old.

Some of my little friends say, there is no God.

Papa says "If you see it in the Sun it's so."

Please tell me the truth; is there a God?

Virginia, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men's or children's, are little. In this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole truth and knowledge.

Yes, Virginia, there is a God. He exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no God! It would be as dreary as if there no Virginias. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which childhood fills the world would be extinguished.

Not believe in God! You might as well not believe in stars! You might get your papa to hire men to pray for the second coming, but even if they did not see Jesus coming down, what would they prove? Nobody sees God, but that is no sign that there is no God. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see.

No Jesus! Thank God, he lives, and he lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood.


I can't believe your teacher was making this comparison; and so obviously. Further, I can't believe none of you caught on to it.



QUOTE(Stuckie @ Mar 17 2009, 09:05 AM) *
The whole point of christmas is to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. (Thats not what it originally was, but thats for another topic.) Why would you need a fictional character for a holiday that is supposed to be for Christ? And if you're not christian, and you dont believe in christ, you shouldn't celebrate the holiday anyway. If you want a day specifically for the giving and receiving of gifts, pick a random date and call it "Gift Day". Why would anybody want to purpously raise their kids to be ignorant? And when they find out, wonder why their child seems less innocent than when they were blinded by lies? Just my opinion.


so ironic.

p.s. christmas is a national holiday - secular persons can celebrate it just as easily as anyone else... not to mention, it isn't like the christians hadn't stolen the winter solstice from the pagans in the first place anyways... f*ck you & you're mother f*cking "gift day."
 
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post Mar 19 2009, 07:35 PM
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I think there is much worse things a parent can do than lying about Santa Claus. It doesnt matter.
 
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post Mar 19 2009, 08:33 PM
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Remove Santa Clause from this materialistic holiday. Stop consumerism! stubborn.gif
 
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post Mar 20 2009, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Mar 17 2009, 09:23 AM) *
why should whether you are christian or not have any bearing on santa clause?

Christmas is to celebrate the birth of Jesus. If you are going to celebrate Jesus's birth, you dont need Santa Clause.
 
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post Mar 20 2009, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE(Stuckie @ Mar 20 2009, 03:50 PM) *
Christmas is to celebrate the birth of Jesus. If you are going to celebrate Jesus's birth, you dont need Santa Clause.


I agree. The Trinity is bad enough, but what's worse is that we've actually partnered Jesus with Santa. Santa's like the god of presents blink.gif
 
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post Mar 21 2009, 08:08 AM
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I personally dont celebrate Christmas, because its too commercial. I found that out when we were coming on hard times, and my mom had to choose between presents and the light bill. If you have to make a choice like that, during "the season of giving", you can have it. Seems more like the "season of taking".
 
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post Apr 1 2009, 02:38 AM
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I don't understand why people get in such an uproar about stupid little questions like this.

Not only does it stimulate a child's mind, but it also teaches children to be more honest and logical. I'm sure there's more.

Children do not think like adults. That's why they are children and fed bullshit stories like this. They have eager minds. They are more apt to use their imagination that adults. It teaches them the reward system which works well with children because they crave discipline. Have you ever noticed that alot of children who grow up without discipline in their lives end up to be more socially inapt and socially "unacceptable?"

It's a story. Nothing to get all hot and bothered over. If a parent wants to tell their children that Santa's real... so be it. Who are you to decide for them?
 
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post Apr 1 2009, 02:42 AM
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QUOTE(illmortal @ Mar 20 2009, 02:55 PM) *
I agree. The Trinity is bad enough, but what's worse is that we've actually partnered Jesus with Santa. Santa's like the god of presents blink.gif


No, Santa is the commercialized version of St. Nicholas. Same person just a different name. And the giving of presents is to represent the magii who gave presents to Jesus as a child. It's just not said that way because it would be "politically incorrect."
 

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