eh wtf, asdfaewrdddd... i know, right? Options

[synatribe]

I'll post the way I feel about this right now. Flat out, without needer her response to the topic, Trish/Christine has violated the terms in the Community Guidelines (see jocking). Violation of the terms does include warning/suspension or banning depending on the case. I believe, but can't remember, in the staff guidelines, that breaking these rules (plus it's precedented with the Diana/Robbi incident) That any staff member that has violated the community guidelines does have some type of suspension, and possible indefinite removal from the staff body. I don't think that this is a banning situation, but I think that this clearly, shows poor leadership/staff skills, and if not only demoted to Design Staff, but maybe even a suspension from the staff body should be in place.

agreed.

[Teesa]

Hmm, I guess because I couldn't find it I didn't realize it had once been submitted.

Why was it rejected?

edit; nvm I see now. Yup.

wait, was it rejected or did she personally remove it?

[synatribe]

^ I think she personally removed it right after this topic started, I dont remeber

[rnicron]

I'll post the way I feel about this right now. Flat out, without needer her response to the topic, Trish/Christine has violated the terms in the Community Guidelines (see jocking). Violation of the terms does include warning/suspension or banning depending on the case. I believe, but can't remember, in the staff guidelines, that breaking these rules (plus it's precedented with the Diana/Robbi incident) That any staff member that has violated the community guidelines does have some type of suspension, and possible indefinite removal from the staff body. I don't think that this is a banning situation, but I think that this clearly, shows poor leadership/staff skills, and if not only demoted to Design Staff, but maybe even a suspension from the staff body should be in place.

Oh damn. I thought Dani posted this for a minute.

Anyway, she shouldn't even get the satisfaction of Design Staff.

[synatribe]

Oh damn. I thought Dani posted this for a minute.

Anyway, she shouldn't even get the satisfaction of Design Staff.

^^ seriously, she was O.D for like 2 days, lol

[rnicron]

No, she wasn't even an OD. She had secret Mentor status, so she actually didn't really leave.

[Melissa]

Trish, you said that the original image was from vectorstock.
Is this true? Can you provide a link?

[Just_Dream]

No, she wasn't even an OD. She had secret Mentor status, so she actually didn't really leave.

It was obviously to avoid having to own up to deleting topics.

And no it wasn't 2 days. Technically it was 6 days, since she left on April 4th and came back on April 10th.

[synatribe]

It was obviously to avoid having to own up to deleting topics.

And no it wasn't 2 days. Technically it was 6 days, since she left on April 4th and came back on April 10th.

wow, I thought she steped down with toya and jc because of the same reasons as jc and toya, wow, she's slick, lol :]

[micron]

The fact is, she won't own up to what she did was wrong. She called out Emberfly (oh god) when he screenshoted the Hollister Co. website layout and disqualified him from running for ___ of the Month even though he coded his own stuff. She also kicked Mike (oh god, again) off staff for blatantly stealing stuff from Deviantart. So since she's friends with you Jusun, this is acceptable, and she just needs a talking to? I don't think so.

Spencer, id appreciate if you dont talk on my behalf especially when you dont know what youre talking about. this is what i had to said about mike backstage (topic #195920):

hey guys.

i know. i havent been active at all and some of you guys will be wondering why i am here and what gives me the right ot say anything at all considering my long and very frequent absences. but if you could put that aside, id like to say a few things about this matter.

i dont know mike and never talked to him on aim so what i am about to say is strictly from a bystander's point of view. i dont think anyone here can argue with me when i say that mike has contributed A LOT to createblog. in essence, its people like mike who contribute regularly with quality content that keep this site going.

i do understand that some of the layouts he made used images that he did not get prior consent to. but honestly, can anyone here say that they have never done the same in the past, when they themselves were aspiring web designers? i have ("jocked") in the past, and im sure most of you, if not all, have done the same. so don't you think it's a bit hypocritical to condemn him so harshly? we've all been down that road, and we've all learned from it. so why not him, why cant we give him a second chance (that we all got, and that he deserves)?

also. a layout is so much more than an image that's "jocked". its code, images, and overall presentation coming together that create a quality layout. just because you have the highest of quality images do not necessarily translate to a quality layout. in that regards, dont you think a layout deserves to be considered in all of its aspects (and not just by an offending image)? the layout can always be preserved, and the image replaced for another that is original, don't you agree?

i dont know. in the end, what i want to stress is this: we are all human beings, and we all make mistakes. mike may have made a mistake.. lets help it be for the better, and not get caught up in the finger pointing that all of us know deep inside we were all guilty of one time or another.

plus. to lose someone like mike would be detrimental to createblog; we need quality designers like him.

[Melissa]

Um, this isn't a "discuss Trish's lame modding history" class. If you weren't around for something or don't get something, that's too bad, go dig through the many threads that DO discuss this (there are quite a few) or PM someone.

About the jocking/inspiration thing. Unless she can provide us the link for the stock image, I agree that this is too similar to be coincidence. I also think that the 10voltmedia site-makers should be contacted and asked where they found their image. If that exact image is really a stock image, then I think Trish should be in the clear.

As much as I think it's funny that Trish would resort to jocking, especially considering her history of tearing other people to shreds whenever anything they made looked similar to her shit, I feel that it's unlikely because someone at her level shouldn't need to copy.

[Just_Dream]

I'm just going to say this once. Just because you cite credit to an artist for using their photos or graphic art does not give you permission to use it. You must submit written approval from the original artists before you use any of their work from now on. Quote them in your comments or send a PM to a design staff or something.

And just in case anyone missed this on the last-last page:

like i said, ideally she should have credited them for inspiration. this whole fiasco could have been avoided had she credited them.

the concept isnt original from the get go, and deserves no "credit."

And it's not even the fact that we've all "jocked" something before. It's that she denies that she's copied anything, and that she designed it all on her own. I feel like we're straying away from the credit part, and now we're only focusing on the jocking part.

[synatribe]

Um, this isn't a "discuss Trish's lame modding history" class. If you weren't around for something or don't get something, that's too bad, go dig through the many threads that DO discuss this (there are quite a few) or PM someone.

About the jocking/inspiration thing. Unless she can provide us the link for the stock image, I agree that this is too similar to be coincidence. I also think that the 10voltmedia site-makers should be contacted and asked where they found their image. If that exact image is really a stock image, then I think Trish should be in the clear.

As much as I think it's funny that Trish would resort to jocking, especially considering her history of tearing other people to shreds whenever anything they made looked similar to her shit, I feel that it's unlikely because someone at her level shouldn't need to copy.

sorry to lazy, and it could have been deleted. also this incident is also putting her rep on the line .

[Melissa]

sorry to lazy, and it could have been deleted. also this incident is also putting her rep on the line .

Whatever. I find you a little bit annoying and will ignore your posts from now on as they really don't add anything to the discussion.

I always thought part of designing was about originality and creativity. Nice job, Trish. Even if it's not "jocking," for you to be so "inspired" by a concept that is "not original" is... even worse. The fact that you'd use a concept that's been completely tired out says a lot about you as a designer.

[micron]

I've taken a closer look at the dirt, and it's EXACTLY the same. Micron said it's original, but it isn't. She reversed the original dirt image around. Also here's a close up of how they are exactly the same for proof. Take a close look at the shape of the DARK BROWN parts and they match up nicely. Trish version I didn't have a nice quality of it, so it's a little blurry but you can easily tell they are the same image. So that's why I think crediting 10volt was necessary.

Trish's

10Volt

Game over.

if this is true, im really disappointed.

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however, i still stand by what i said several months ago (read previous post). if you were a web designer (programmers too!), you would know that imitation is an integral part of the learning process. what i find interesting - and somewhat annoying - is that most of you who are so intent on tearing someone down - you wouldnt be able to make a good design even if someone was to give you a million dollars; if youre going to ostracize someone in public, at least be qualified at their level. i know - and you know - very well i might add, that you've also done the very same thing somewhere in your past. really, i mean it.

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im going to close this topic now and move the conversations off to backstage to discuss what we should do regarding this matter.

[micron]

update;

staff members, go here (backstage):
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=201910