Claims of the Catholic Church Options

[JlIaTMK]

This was an actual letter sent out by the St. Mary's Church:

If Your Child is a Gothic, Reform Through the Lord!

Listed below are some warning signs to indicate if your
child may have gone astray from the Lord.

Gothic (or goth) is a very obscure and often dangerous
culture that young teenagers are prone to participating in. The gothic culture leads young, susceptible minds into an imagined world of evil,darkness, and violence. Please seek immediate attention through counselling, prayer,
and parental guidance to rid your child of Satan's temptations if five or more of the following are applicable to your child:

-Frequently wears black clothing.

-Wears band and/or rock t-shirts.

-Wears excessive black eye makeup, lipstick or nailpolish.

-Wears any odd, silver jewelry or symbols. Some of these include:
reversed crosses, pentagrams, pentacles, ankhs or various
other
Satanic
worshipping symbols.

-Shows an interest in piercings or tattoos.

-Listens to gothic or any other anti-social genres of
music. (Marilyn Manson claims to be the anti-Christ, and publicly speaks
against the Lord. Please discard any such albums IMMEDIATELY.)

-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak
eccentrically.

-Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such
as: the Bible, prayer, church or sports.

-Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic,
the occult, witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan.

-Takes drugs.

-Drinks alcohol.

-Is suicidal and/or depressed.

-Cuts, burns or partakes in any other method of self-mutilation. (This is a Satanic ritual that uses pain to detract from the light of God and
His love. Please seek immediate attention for this at your local mental health center.)

-Complains of boredom.

-Sleeps too excessively or too little.

-Is excessively awake during the night.

-Dislikes sunlight or any other form of light. (This pertains to
vampires promoting the idea that His light is of no use.)

-Demands an unusual amount of privacy.

-Spends large amounts of time alone.

-Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your chid may speak to evil sprits through meditation.)

-Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an adult.

-Disregards authority figures; teachers, priests, nuns and
elders are but a few examples of this.

-Misbehaves at school.

-Misbehaves at home.

-Eats excessively or too little.

-Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of this.

-Drinks blood or expresses an interest in drinking blood.
(Vampires believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very dangerous and should be stopped immediately.)

-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media
sources. (Ask your local church for proper programs that your child may watch.)

-Plays videos games that contains violence or role-playing nature.

-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the computer.

-Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently shakes head to music.

-Dances to music in a provocative or sexual manner.

-Expresses an interest in sex.

-Masturbates

-Is homosexual and/or bisexual.

-Pursues dangerous cult religions. Such include: Satanism, Scientology, Philosophy, Paganism, Wicca, Hinduism and Buddhism.

-Wears pins, stickers or anything else that contains these various phrases: "I'm so gothic, I'm dead", "woe is me", "I'm a goth".

-Claims to be a goth.

If five or more of these apply to your child, please intervene immediately. The gothic culture is dangerous and Satan thrives within it. If any of these problems persist, enlist your child into your local mental health center.

~St. Mary's Catholic Church

OKAY, FIRST OF ALL, I DONT THINK JESUS WOULD WANT PEOPLE TO HATE AGAINST OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY DO AND APPEARANCES and also jesus was openminded for his day and today, the openmindedness of that time is considered normal.... so i think jesus would be openminded to most of these things on the list eh, and most gothic people think jesus is horrid and evil its just... the people that follow this current religion of christianity make him to look so evil and unopenminded. i seriously would think he would hate what their doing to his religion. he actually FOUGHT for the right to believe whatever you want against the jews, not against it :)

[inthemudhole]

I agree with you, Jordan.
There are a few points that REALLY piss me off in there..

For example..

-Complains of boredom.

Excuse me, but what the hell? What child DOESN'T complain of boredom?..


-Demands an unusual amount of privacy.

Same as the above. What child DOESN'T want privacy?..


-Spends large amounts of time alone.

Excuse me, but what teenager DOESN'T want to have some alone time? Just because they're spending time by themselves doesn't mean they're doing anything negative. Maybe they just don't like people. Maybe they don't want people up their asses. That doesn't mean they're "gothic" and practicing parts of a "dangerous culture".


-Wears band and/or rock t-shirts.

Uh, what? So all of a sudden now Linkin Park is considered gothic and satanic? Please explain this to me. If you wear a rock/back shirt, you're on the way to being a "goth"? EXCUSE ME..? That just doesn't make sense. Rock isn't overall a negative genre of music. I don't get it.


-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the computer.

..So what if people are online a lot? That would mean basically all of us are "on the way to becoming gothic"! Oh, gasp! What is wrong with being on the internet? Yeah, there are some "bad" sites, but that doesn't mean we ALL visit them. OMGZ! INTERNET = T3H DEVIL! v.v;;


Is suicidal and/or depressed.

T_T Basically every person has gone through depression through their lives at least once. Teenagers get depressed a lot, but does that mean they're part of some "dangerous" culture? I think not.


-Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an adult.

....Huh!? So when I go to the mall with my friend without my mom, I'm practicing something dangerous?! Excuse me? How is that "gothic"?


-Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of this.

..Lmfao.


-Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such
as: the Bible, prayer, church or sports.

I'm sorry, but not everybody likes sports or going to church.


-Cuts, burns or partakes in any other method of self-mutilation. (This is a Satanic ritual that uses pain to detract from the light of God and
His love. Please seek immediate attention for this at your local mental health center.)

"This is a Satanic ritual that uses pain to detract from the light of God and
His love." <--Not exactly. Some people do those things as a role of self-mutilation. They're not practicing anything.


-Sleeps too excessively or too little.
-Is excessively awake during the night.

Sorry, but some people have sleeping disorders, you asshats. For one, I have insomnia.. so I rarely get any sleep anymore. But does that mean I'm on the way of becoming a "goth" or that I'm practicing something "dangerous"? No. It simply means that I cannot sleep. It's not like I'm trying to stay awake.


-Frequently wears black clothing.

Maybe some people like that color.
Maybe some people want to stay warmer.
Maybe some people have low self-esteem and think they look skinnier in black.
Maybe some people can't find anything else to wear.
Ever think of that?!


-Wears excessive black eye makeup, lipstick or nailpolish.

I know that's the way to be stereotyped as a "goth" at school, but does it necessarily mean that a person who wears a lot of black make-up is practicing part of a "dangerous" culture?
Did these people ever stop to think that somebody just may LIKE the damn color?!


Yeah. I'm done for now.
[pissed off]
I'll edit this later.

[demolished]

wtf? thats seem racism and shallow to me. some of them are very outrageous and ridiclous.

whats wrong with black ? black is just a color, doesnt mean any evil sign. wtf ?

[JlIaTMK]

wtf? thats seem racism and shallow to me. some of them are very outrageous and ridiclous.

whats wrong with black ? black is just a color, doesnt mean any evil sign. wtf ?

eh, its not exactly racism
its more like discrimination towards a minority group

[sadolakced acid]

Wow. i worship satan.

hahahahahahahaha...

-Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of this.

i LOVE Count Dracula cereal! with the marshmellow bats...


(ok, so, this is the comment that actually pertains. Churches will attack anything that undermines its athority, and teenagers seeing freedom from athority happens to undermine a good bit of thier power. )

[*tweeak*]

psssssssst there are many parts to the catholic church, and some are more fanatical than others. damn, you should hear my mom and grandparents talking about different sects and how others react. not the entire catholic church makes those assumptions. some parts are almost cult like. but im tired, so if im making any sense, and you want to hear more, ill get back to you in the morning

[comeupon]

Gothic is actually a biblical term, technically gothic kids are practicing an earliar form of religion, none or mixed. Like the gothic churches which allowed more than one religion in the same building.

[mai_z]

^^ yes, but the modern definition of goth no longer refers to that. And i hardly believe that sleeping, complaining of bordom, eating cereal, and going on CB makes you a goth

[ComradeRed]

[QUOTE]-Frequently wears black clothing.[/QUOTE]

Check.

[QUOTE]-Wears band and/or rock t-shirts. [/QUOTE]

Nope.

[quote]-Wears excessive black eye makeup, lipstick or nailpolish.[/quote]

No makeup for me.

[quote]-Wears any odd, silver jewelry or symbols. Some of these include:
reversed crosses, pentagrams, pentacles, ankhs or various other Satanic worshipping symbols.[/quote]

I have a Knight's Cross, that'll have to do.

[quote]-Shows an interest in piercings or tattoos.[/quote]

Ew...

[quote]-Listens to gothic or any other anti-social genres of music. (Marilyn Manson claims to be the anti-Christ, and publicly speaks against the Lord. Please discard any such albums IMMEDIATELY.)[/quote]

I listen to communist music. That's pretty anti-social.

[quote]-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak eccentrically.[/quote]

Definitely.

[quote]-Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such as: the Bible, prayer, church or sports.[/quote]

Nah, I'm still chock-full of wholesome Midwestern values.

[quote]-Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic, the occult, witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan.[/quote]

You've gotta admit, Satan's a fascinating guy.

[quote]-Takes drugs.[/quote]

Tylenol...

[quote]-Drinks alcohol.[/quote]

Yeah, I do that during communion.

[quote]-Is suicidal and/or depressed.[/quote]

I'm not that bad... I perfer to think of it as being recessed.

[quote]-Cuts, burns or partakes in any other method of self-mutilation. (This is a Satanic ritual that uses pain to detract from the light of God and
His love. Please seek immediate attention for this at your local mental health center.)[/quote]

Ew...

[quote]-Complains of boredom.[/quote]

Well sometimes, life is boring...

[quote]-Sleeps too excessively or too little.[/quote]

That's what we in the real world like to call "Jet lag" sometimes.

[quote]-Is excessively awake during the night.[/quote]

When I do sleep, I sleep well.

[quote]-Dislikes sunlight or any other form of light. (This pertains to vampires promoting the idea that His light is of no use.)[/quote]

Except when His light causes skin cancer, then it might be a good idea to stay indoors.

[quote]-Demands an unusual amount of privacy.[/quote]

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated...

[quote]-Spends large amounts of time alone.[/quote]

Because I have no friends.

[quote]-Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your chid may speak to evil sprits through meditation.)[/quote]

Or so I can speak to myself through meditation. Or prayer.

[quote]-Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an adult.[/quote]

AKA going to college.

[quote]-Disregards authority figures; teachers, priests, nuns and elders are but a few examples of this.[/quote]

Elders? Mormon Elders?

[quote]-Misbehaves at school.[/quote]

Nah, there isn't that much opportunity for it...

[quote]-Misbehaves at home.[/quote]

Me? No...

[quote]-Eats excessively or too little.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure that's called an eating disorder.

[quote]-Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of this.[/quote]

And what else? Dark bread? I love dark bread.

[quote]-Drinks blood or expresses an interest in drinking blood. (Vampires believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very dangerous and should be stopped immediately.) [/quote]

Or that's called your "culture" if you are from some parts of East Asia.

[quote]-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media sources. (Ask your local church for proper programs that your child may watch.)[/quote]

Oh no!

[quote]-Plays videos games that contains violence or role-playing nature.[/quote]

As opposed to video games that... don't?

[quote]-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the computer.[/quote]

Add in all the computer people and businessmen in the world...

[quote]-Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently shakes head to music.[/quote]

Fun stuff.

[quote]-Dances to music in a provocative or sexual manner.[/quote]

Very fun stuff.

[quote]-Expresses an interest in sex. [/quote]

Who doesn't?

[quote]-Is homosexual and/or bisexual.[/quote]

Haha, gay bashing is fun!

[quote]-Pursues dangerous cult religions. Such include: Satanism, Scientology, Philosophy, Paganism, Wicca, Hinduism and Buddhism.[/quote]

Better throw away that Plato book I have for school...

[quote]-Wears pins, stickers or anything else that contains these various phrases: "I'm so gothic, I'm dead", "woe is me", "I'm a goth".[/quote]

Or "we will bury you!"

[quote]-Claims to be a goth.[/quote]

If you're from certain parts of Germany and Poland, that would be an accurate claim.

[quote]If five or more of these apply to your child, please intervene immediately. The gothic culture is dangerous and Satan thrives within it. If any of these problems persist, enlist your child into your local mental health center.[/quote]

I have MANY more of those five apply to me, and I'm not gothic at all. I'm sure almost all kids--even really religious ones, have several of those apply.

[.kyan]

WOW! (lmfao!)

that just made me fall off my chair in peals of laughter.



im gothic and i didnt even know. heh heh.



EDIT ; i just realised something. my religion, buddhism, just made me a gothic. this is soooo hard to understand.

[runforfun529]

wow, I'm a goth.

About everyone I know is a goth

WE ARE ALL GOTHS!!

[inthemudhole]

Pathetic.

-Frequently wears black clothing.

-Wears band and/or rock t-shirts.

-Wears excessive black eye makeup, lipstick or nailpolish.

-Wears any odd, silver jewelry or symbols. Some of these include:
reversed crosses, pentagrams, pentacles, ankhs or various other
Satanic worshipping symbols. (So now my Celtic cross is dangerous?)

-Shows an interest in piercings or tattoos. (Somewhat.. I have 4.)

-Listens to gothic or any other anti-social genres of
music. (Marilyn Manson claims to be the anti-Christ, and publicly speaks
against the Lord. Please discard any such albums IMMEDIATELY.)

-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak eccentrically.

-Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such as: the Bible, prayer, church or sports. (Sorry I don't like sports..?)

-Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic, the occult, witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan.

-Takes drugs.

-Drinks alcohol.

-Is suicidal and/or depressed. (Frequently)

-Cuts, burns or partakes in any other method of self-mutilation. (This is a Satanic ritual that uses pain to detract from the light of God and
His love. Please seek immediate attention for this at your local mental health center.)

-Complains of boredom. (Who DOESN'T get bored?)

-Sleeps too excessively or too little. (I have insomnia.. sorry?)

-Is excessively awake during the night. (Once again, I have insomnia..)

-Dislikes sunlight or any other form of light. (This pertains to
vampires promoting the idea that His light is of no use.) (It burns)

-Demands an unusual amount of privacy. (Sorry I like to be alone..)

-Spends large amounts of time alone.

-Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your chid may speak to evil sprits through meditation.) (Minus the quietness)

-Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an adult. (Er, I'm sorry I don't like my mom up my ass when I'm at the mall with a friend..?)

-Disregards authority figures; teachers, priests, nuns and elders are but a few examples of this. (My parents. Who doesn't from time to time?)

-Misbehaves at school.

-Misbehaves at home. (On occasion..)

-Eats excessively or too little. (Both of them.)

-Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of this.

-Drinks blood or expresses an interest in drinking blood.
(Vampires believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very dangerous and should be stopped immediately.)

-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media
sources. (Ask your local church for proper programs that your child may watch.) (I'm sorry I like music videos. Tear, tear.)

-Plays videos games that contains violence or role-playing nature. (Sometimes)

-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the computer. (No shit. Look at my post count)

-Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently shakes head to music. (I'm sorry that I like to headbang and mosh..?)

-Dances to music in a provocative or sexual manner.

-Expresses an interest in sex.

-Masturbates

-Is homosexual and/or bisexual.

-Pursues dangerous cult religions. Such include: Satanism, Scientology, Philosophy, Paganism, Wicca, Hinduism and Buddhism.

-Wears pins, stickers or anything else that contains these various phrases: "I'm so gothic, I'm dead", "woe is me", "I'm a goth".

-Claims to be a goth.

--

The ones I bolded apply to me.
>_>
<_<
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[azn_r4pf4n]

[QUOTE]-Frequently wears black clothing. [/QUOTE]

Oh c'mon, what about black suits?

[QUOTE]-Wears band and/or rock t-shirts. [/QUOTE]

Some Christians wear rock clothing and i dont see them going astray from the Lord.

[QUOTE]-Shows an interest in piercings or tattoos. [/QUOTE]

Yes, I understand that Christianity teaches us to be seperate from the rest of the World, but intrests and piercings and/or tattoos dont rlly mean that their astray from the Lord. Our church accepts anybody, even wit piercings or tattoos.

[QUOTE]-Listens to gothic or any other anti-social genres of
music. (Marilyn Manson claims to be the anti-Christ, and publicly speaks
against the Lord. Please discard any such albums IMMEDIATELY.) [/QUOTE]

Okay, that depends on what kinds of anti-Christ music, like music that is against Christianity.

[QUOTE]-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak
eccentrically. [/quote]

lots of people act weird, but the Lord teaches us to love anybody no matter how they look. if they cause us to sin, then we might have a problem.

[quote]-Cuts, burns or partakes in any other method of self-mutilation. (This is a Satanic ritual that uses pain to detract from the light of God and
His love. Please seek immediate attention for this at your local mental health center.) [/quote]

no, people do that because it "relieves pain" (well most of the time, i never actually heard that it was claimed to b a "Satanic ritual")

[quote]-Complains of boredom.[/quote]

Nice.. i always do.. but i like life the way it is even though i do.

[quote]-Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your chid may speak to evil sprits through meditation.) [/quote]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A BIG LOL!
thats rlly dumb.

[quote]-Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of this. [/quote]

Oh man, i never knew there was such thing as goth-related foods.

[quote]-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media
sources. (Ask your local church for proper programs that your child may watch.)
[/quote]

ur saying thats corrupt? lolz, iite i understand.. evangalism it is.. but how is that leading to gothic acts?

[quote]-Plays videos games that contains violence or role-playing nature.

-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the computer.
[/quote]

- video games dont start gothcism.

- Yeah, we're classified as "dorks" or "nerds" instead of goths if we do that.


The point is, some of this stuff is really dumb to lead to gothicism, but these claims sound like discrimination to me.

Christianity is about being seperate from the world, and we can't really force them if we can't tell them to stop, all we can do is pray that they'll stop.

[*kryogenix*]

this topic is a bit misleading. you write "the catholic church", as if this was decreed by the pope. this was a letter by one church, and does not represent the belief of all Catholics.

you are guilty of closemindedness yourself. you are saying all christians are like this, but they are not.

[*tweeak*]

this topic is a bit misleading. you write "the catholic church", as if this was decreed by the pope. this was a letter by one church, and does not represent the belief of all Catholics.

you are guilty of closemindedness yourself. you are saying all christians are like this, but they are not.

and thats the point i was trying to get across in my last post, but i got carried away...

[JlIaTMK]

Gothic is actually a biblical term, technically gothic kids are practicing an earliar form of religion, none or mixed. Like the gothic churches which allowed more than one religion in the same building.

yes, the gothic practices of the past are far less occult and diminishing as the ones that are practiced today

there is so many differences between new age goth and historical goth

this topic is a bit misleading. you write "the catholic church", as if this was decreed by the pope. this was a letter by one church, and does not represent the belief of all Catholics.

you are guilty of closemindedness yourself. you are saying all christians are like this, but they are not.

no, it IS the catholic church.

do you know what christianity is?

all christianity doesnt revolve around the catholic church
FOR example MY religion
im a orthodox,
now in the early years of christianity, the byzantines broke up christianity into two sects, the left which was the catholic and the right which was the orthodox
the orthodox believed the original christian beliefs while the catholics believed in newer updated ones.
the catholic religion broke up into many things like methodist and so on.

NOW

have you ever heard of the religion universalist?
they are 100% christian, they are NOT catholic though,
they were created by the hippies and their main belief is that jesus loves everyone, no matter of race, color, sexuality, sex etc

[sheepy]

okay thats just so messed up...

[*Kathleen*]

I'm sorry, but that's hilarious.

[jaeman]

I think I'm turning into a goth!
I eat count dracula cereal!

[inquisitive_]

This is one of the funniest yet dumbest thing I've ever heard of in my life.

Where did you get this from?

[jaeman]

This is one of the funniest yet dumbest thing I've ever heard of in my life.

Where did you get this from?

The top says it's a real letter that was sent from st. mary church.

[inquisitive_]

Yeah, I read that but there is really no prove that its really from the Catholic Church. Someone could've made it up just to be funny.

[JlIaTMK]

Yeah, I read that but there is really no prove that its really from the Catholic Church. Someone could've made it up just to be funny.

www.christianforums.com

i believe y?

[*Zyryll*]

i don't get goths... i find goths kind odd... ehh.. i mean at school they wear the black and stuff. all that metal shiet on their pants... and those differently colored wristbands. and all this slipknot stuff...

and what the fuk? rock music = evil? all i gotta say to dis bullshitz is that they listed the qualities of stereotypical teens. fukking nuns... or whoever the hell wrote this... screw themmm... if they saw things our way, they'd see why we think these is a pissed on document. i mean c'mon. give us a break. you can't say we're perfect!

this document is actually more entertaining then it is serious.

Linkin Park... major insult right there! i listen to that group! i bet the person who wrote this never heard one of their songs.

well. that's enough hatin' for one post. to sum it all up... that list + teen pop culture = sd;jklfabnvk ,wefw;s'akgjwe9f-y82sdncsdvkl

[KelseyNicole]

hehe.. wow.

I apply to 26/38.

I'm eviler than I thought.