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Christmas Carols Banned, Do you think they should be?
Kriegsgefangene
post Dec 12 2004, 12:18 PM
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QUOTE(waccoon @ Dec 12 2004, 11:43 AM)
But when you see all your friends and all your peers singing, and you're the only one sitting down - that's not a very nice feeling, is it? It marks you as different, and you want to repress your religion because it's not what everyone else is into.

Nope. When everyone else is up singing, I stay sitting because I don't want to make an idiot of myself.
 
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post Dec 12 2004, 03:43 PM
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um, hell no. how are people going to be diversified, and accept other cultures if theyre constanly being hidden and pushed aside?
 
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post Dec 13 2004, 10:07 AM
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QUOTE(Kriegsgefangene @ Dec 12 2004, 12:18 PM)
When everyone else is up singing, I stay sitting because I don't want to make an idiot of myself.

Wait, when people are singing carols, you stay seated to not be an idiot?

Do you celebrate Christmas? (I'm not trying to be rude, I was just asking)
 
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post Dec 13 2004, 10:52 AM
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concidering christmas is now a corprate holiday, and it was manifest destiny that told us to kill the natives and steal this land, why not praise god in school? it's not like we're forcing people with different beliefes to love god and jesus.
 
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post Dec 13 2004, 04:41 PM
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and why not praise jesus? why not? then we can make army uniforms with a nice big cross on them, and go reclaim the holy land in the rightful name of the lord.

this is why the founding fathers left religion out of the constitution; because they wanted us to be christian. why don't we just declare we're a christian nation and be done with it?

what's with this 'Mr. President' crap? we know it should be 'god's divine ruler on earth'

why not praise god in schools? oh, it would make our country great. i mean, who really cares about freedom? all people do with it is crash planes into buildings? if we said we all belived in jesus, this would never happen. the reason we're taking heavy casualties in the middle east is because we won't admit it's for jesus. if we did, then god would protect our troops and we wouldn't get shot that much.

praise the lord! I AM AN AMERICAN, your loyal servant. i shall blow up the infidel because my school taught me so. i will kill my own brother because he doesn't belive. i will BE AN AMERICAN!!!!!

and remeber, jesus loves you.
 
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post Dec 13 2004, 04:49 PM
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You know, there was actually a proposal to make the President's title "His Excellency the President, defender of the United States and protector of their liberties".
 
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post Dec 13 2004, 05:08 PM
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i know. but george washington was a great man who knew that they had just defeated a 'king george' and putting another 'king george' in his place was not a good thing to do.
 
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post Dec 14 2004, 05:39 PM
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THAT IS THE STUPIDEST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD.
i sort of celebrate christmas and i mean i sing christmas songs and i get into the jolly holiday mood and i am not christian. that is plain dumb!
 
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post Dec 14 2004, 05:41 PM
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QUOTE(gotnoheart @ Dec 14 2004, 5:39 PM)
THAT IS THE STUPIDEST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD.
i sort of celebrate christmas and i mean i sing christmas songs and i get into the jolly holiday mood and i am not christian. that is plain dumb!

Then what does Christmas mean to you? Christmas is technically celebrating the birth of Christ, so if you don't believe in the meaning, you're just celebrating it to get presents?

Christmas is about giving, not just getting presents. It's awful how often people forget about that.

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that is plain dumb!


And are you saying that Christianity is dumb?
 
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post Dec 14 2004, 05:58 PM
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Jesus.
It's f**king Christmas.
If we can go all La De Da over Kwanzaa which was invented in the 1950s
Then why can't we sing Jingle Bells?
If you the parent doesn’t like what’s going on at a school, take your kid out.
It's a free country. You CANNOT tell us we can't celebrate a Holiday.

"A Christian feast on December 25 or among some Eastern Orthodox on January 7 that commemorates the birth of Christ and is usually observed as a legal holiday"

That's what Christmas is. We are celebrating the birth of our Savoir. Over the years, it has not only been turned into a celebration of our Lord, but a Hallmark-jump-on-the-Holiday-bandwagon. It's something now very commercial.

In the end, Christmas and the Holiday season is a time for Family, Peace, and Fun.

A Christmas Carol is just a song.
What?
Are they gonna ban singing 'Getting Jiggy Wit It'?

Stop being so bitchy and get over yourselves and find something else to complain about that DOESNT ruin the holiday sprit.
 
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post Dec 14 2004, 07:06 PM
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excuse me, some people like the comercailized christmas.
 
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post Dec 17 2004, 12:02 AM
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our founding fathers were religious 2... im actually amazed they put something religious on the Declaration of Independence.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

it wasnt a thought that the founding fathers probably thought about, cuz about that time, 99% of the colonists were white and mostly religious. we're so used to christmas, as i said b4.
 
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post Dec 17 2004, 02:23 AM
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QUOTE(azn_r4pf4n @ Dec 17 2004, 12:02 AM)
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Many Founding Fathers were Deists, which can easily explain the "endowed by their Creator" part.
 
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post Dec 17 2004, 07:18 AM
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QUOTE(azn_r4pf4n @ Dec 17 2004, 12:02 AM)
99% of the colonists were white and mostly religious.

Uh...have you ever heard of slaves? I'm pretty sure they were more than 1% of the population...
 
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post Dec 17 2004, 03:47 PM
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Dec 17 2004, 4:18 AM)
Uh...have you ever heard of slaves? I'm pretty sure they were more than 1% of the population...

whoops forgot that.
 
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post Dec 17 2004, 03:53 PM
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whats so religion about merry christmas? most people only celebrate santa is back to town. not like... they are celebrating Jesus was born.. stubborn.gif

or they should change it to. Merry Santa? biggrin.gif
 
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post Dec 17 2004, 07:26 PM
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for that, refer to 'you can't have it both ways'

but i for one, like the commercialized christmas that emphasises family time, and giving. jesus who? biggrin.gif
 
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post Dec 17 2004, 09:31 PM
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I don't think they should... But there should be songs from different religions also. If a parent feels uncomfortable with thier child singing one of the songs then they don't have to.
 
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post Dec 18 2004, 02:50 AM
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alright. today kids we're singing a new song. you don't have to sing it if you don't like it.


heil jesus he loves you
heil he love you like michael jackson
heil the priests love you like that too
heil just ask the choir boys
look it's a holiday
little boys, get ready
to celebrate christ
with your local priest!


(chorus)
F--- jesus!
F--- jesus!
because he wants you

look here comes St. Nick on a sleigh
i wonder if you were good last year to the preist
because if you weren't then down he comes
without a gift

(chorus)

(chorus)

heil! jesus loves you
and have a happy holiday.


now, all you christians ready to flame, you shouldn't be offended, right? i didn't ask you to sing it... so you should be fine. Right?
right? right? i mean, i didn't ask you to sing along. you can just sit down and be quite, and no body's feelings get's hurt, right?


` i was going to write a song praising allah, but then someone will tell me allah is god or something and this seems... more offending, like it is when you play a game where you repeat what the last person says, and the last person says "i celebrate the birth of jesus christ, our savior" and you say "you celebrate the birth of jesus christ, your savior" and everyone stares at you? yes the reason for my severe anti-christianity sentiment is rooted in an actually cause, not satan. you can thank other christians for that.

` and you still shoudln't be offended. you didn't have to sing along.

* note. i don't actually belive that. i just wrote what i thought would offend the people saying "why not christmas in school" the most. *
 
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post Dec 18 2004, 05:27 AM
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^^ No one is asking you to say "Heil Jesus, your savior" but people shouldn't bash on others' religions.

It's not freedom of belief/speech when you do that. It's racism.
 
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post Dec 18 2004, 08:52 AM
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You know the "Heil" in Sieg Heil does mean Salvation, right?
 
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post Dec 18 2004, 09:05 PM
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i think its wrong. The whole thing is because of religion/customs. I think we should be able to because like other religions/customs, we should be able to say "merry christmas" and sing xmas carols, and the other religions can do the same.
 
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post Dec 20 2004, 10:33 AM
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i don't know. i try to stay out of confilcts regarding religion. So many people get huge debates about religion these days.

but i think that people should be able to say and show whatevery they want.
 
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post Dec 20 2004, 01:08 PM
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i'm gonna be a teacher and i'm gonna make my class make driedles...cause i had to make a christmas tree in 1st grade, whether i wanted to or not cause it's what the class was doing. i remember, cause i didn't wanna get my hands gluey..

am i allowed to make the kids make dreidles? it should be ok.
 
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post Dec 20 2004, 03:40 PM
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hmm... i got a lot less flames then i expected...

I think...tho... that christmas songs, etc. are fine for elementary schoolers, as long as other holidays are covered, etc.

and in middle school, christmas gives the end of year a bit of fun, as long as it's still tied into school,

and in high school, it gives exams a big of lightening up.

but the point is, people can be offended of some christmas songs.

i mean, jingle bells is quite safe,

but someone could make a christmas song that was like, praise the birth of jesus christ, our lord and savior.

and that would offend me.
 

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