Religion, God, The Bible, Higher Powers Options

[Oh4SuChSwEeTnEsS]

Christianity is one of the oldest and the most proved religions out there. no one has techinically proved it wrong. they all have there theories. just as people now believe evolution, they used to think earth was flat. to us this seems silly, but its the same idea.

[Spirited Away]

No one proved Christianity wrong but it can't prove itself to be right either, it only claims to be so.

Christianity IS NOT old compared to Judaism and Hinduism (which is older than Judaism).

[Oh4SuChSwEeTnEsS]

Most religions have been proved wrong. Judaism has many of the same beliefs as christianity, they just dont believe that Jesus was the messiah. they also follow the old testament laws more closely bc the messiah was to bring the new covenant(which christians believe is the new testament) its complicated to talks about christian beliefs bc there are many denominations. :)

[Spirited Away]

Most religions have been proven to be wrong? Which ones?

There are many denominations but essentially they all have fundamental beliefs such as in God and in prayer... etc. Also, if there are many different denominations, then which is the right one? What if they're all wrong?

[Oh4SuChSwEeTnEsS]

All denominations have the same base. the church has its faults in modern society. one of them is that they argue entirely too much about details and dont focus on what is important. a lot of religions have been proved wrong simply by the fact that their holy books contradict themselves. islam. a religion of brotherhood and peace. (34000 americans coverted to it after 9 11 bc of this) tells people to kills jews, christians and any other relgions. it actually promises them rewards for this. and they claim that christians are intolerant? i agree that christians arent always the most supportive of other religions. but did u know that 70 percent of all muslims children in palestine want to grow up to be suicide bombers? the koran tells them to be at peace and brothers with one another, yet kill. how is this?

[Spirited Away]

That would have been so incredibly offensive if I were Muslim. Since I am not, I cannot speak well for that religion, but I can assure you that Islam is not like that.

Is that the only impression you have of Islam? Is the war in Iraq your only basis for what Islam is about?

[sadolakced acid]

  Ha. Mohammad had epilepsy. he had seizure, and decided that he was God. he took this idea to the jews and christians and they scoffed. so he wrote his own religion. Islam. true story, btw! Allah was a pagan god that mohammed decided was his "favorite" or most important. also...if jesus died and never rose again, why cant they find his body or remains. they know where he was buried, but they have no sign that he was ever there. (the flood and noahs ark stuff is true...they actually found noahs ark! in a mtn)

at least i know what i'm talking about when i talk about christianity...

mohammad NEVER claimed to be god... i think you're confusing him with jesus. he claimed to be the PROPHET.

NEVER did he claim he was the mezziah.


did you know they don't know where napoleon is buried? they have a tomb and a body, but the problem is that napoleon's servant died at teh same time...

napoleon is god!!!

and they didn't find noah's ark. they found the Mt. ararat anomalie, or something that vaugley looks like a ship from satallite photos. it could very well be a misshapened rock. they have never proven what it is, because the area is held by rebels and the government won't let foriegners in.



the bible says tho shalt not kill, yet what were the crusades?

if you wish to talk about hypocritisism, christianity is one of the biggest on it.

[pympgangsta4real]

Why do people believe in love and fate? You can't touch it, you can't see it, you can't really prove it. Yet people believe in love and fate. I think people need to believe in something for security. Even if things in their life isn't going as they plan, they can always count on religion. I believe that's why...

They believe in love because they feel it. I can't explain fate, because it too, as does destiny, falls in the place of God and everything else. No one on this whole planet can prove it... yet it's a possibility. You're right that people need to believe in something for security... but what a better place to believe in than ourselves? We may not be able to always count on ourselves, but that's because of how society is and how society has trained us. We're afraid to fail, when failure and fear are the best motivators other than true love itself. Honestly, I believe that humanity simply CAN NOT accept the fact that some things, in this time and age, CAN NOT be explained, and CAN NOT be proven, and that's why we have such strong debates on the issues of religion and creation. No one on this planet has such authority to claim which religion is true and which is false, and one doing so would be one playing God himself... and the most famous man who tried to play God comes to mind... Adolf Hitler. No one has that right on this world, and when a single human being has the right to determine who has the right to live and who has the right to die in this world, then truly, there is something worth fearing in this world, and a big problem with society. Back on topic however... no one knows, and it's quite possible that no one will know either. You guys with me on this?

[sadolakced acid]

oh, everyone will know. but no one will live to tell us, so it's quite useless.

sweetness... did you know that %70 of all stats are made up?

[picaso_smile]

those religons that belive jesus was human are 'false' and the 'work of the devil', no? 

and is not mohhamad a 'false prophet' according to christianity?

And is not Jesus somewhat of a false prophet to the Jews?

The point is there are undeniable similarities among many religions.

if you wish to talk about hypocritisism, christianity is one of the biggest on it.

Lets see.... I do believe that anyone alive today was not alive during the crusades.... who says anymodern day Christians agree with the crusades??

[*mona lisa*]

ugh i can't believe how many times i have to say this.

RELIGION IS BASED ON BELIEF AND INTERPRETATION, DAMMIT.

[sadolakced acid]

i'm not talking about the crusades. i'm talking about everything.

[picaso_smile]

i'm not talking about the crusades. i'm talking about everything.

Please elaborate on that one..............

[sadolakced acid]

christianity:

1- god is good, yet he only saves belivers.
2- war can be stated to be ok, even tho it goes against a commandment, but homosexuality cannot be stated to be ok, even if it only goes against a bible verse.
3- christians claim that they're trying to 'save' people by telling them about jesus... when in reality it's because 'jesus won't save everyone until every able ear has heard his words." so that people who try to 'save' people are actually being selfish and trying to save themselves.

that's enough for now.

[Spirited Away]

Lets see.... I do believe that anyone alive today was not alive during the crusades.... who says anymodern day Christians agree with the crusades??

What is the difference between modern day Christian and those brave Crusaders? They do the Lord's work just like any good Christian. You not agreeing with what they did in the past doesn't make them any less of a Christian.

[picaso_smile]

What is the difference between modern day Christian and those brave Crusaders? They do the Lord's work just like any good Christian. You not agreeing with what they did in the past doesn't make them any less of a Christian.

The difference is, today any real Christian (excluding any radicles or nut bags)wouldn't go to war and kill people over what they believe.

Also, I never said they weren't Christians. Seems you enjoy putting words in my mouth. Not quite a debate if you're arguing with things you said now is it?

[Spirited Away]

The difference is, today any real Christian (excluding any radicles or nut bags)wouldn't go to war and kill people over what they believe.

Also, I never said they weren't Christians. Seems you enjoy putting words in my mouth. Not quite a debate if you're arguing with things you said now is it?

Putting words in your mouth or saying things that is intended in your writing?

By the way, how did I put words in your mouth, you're just imagining things or not reading correctly. Try reading again before you wrongly accuse me of anything.

So because today's Christians don't find it necessary to fight for what they believe in, but Christians in the past deems it necessary to fight for their faith makes the difference? You're right, there is a HUGE difference. From what I'm getting from your answer, Christians back then fought for their faith, but Christians today just don't care all that much and "wouldn't" fight (notice that I'm using your own word and not making anything up). Oh well. Though I do not agree with the Crusades for the most obvious reasons, I respect them more.

By the way, it's a good thing that Christians do not go to war anymore seeing how most major religious bloodbaths involve Christians. I guess there's more peace in the world now that Christians stop using force to convert people.

[picaso_smile]

Putting words in your mouth or saying things that is intended in your writing?

You not agreeing with what they did in the past doesn't make them any less of a Christian.

I never said they weren't Christian. I believe we were discussing the differences between mordern day and past Christian groups.

And how do you know what I'm intending?? Oh... .that's right. You don't.

[Spirited Away]

I never said they weren't Christian. I believe we were discussing the differences between mordern day and past Christian groups.

Babe, I didn't say that YOU said they were any less of a Christian. I said that even with you not agreeing with them do not make them less of a Christian. MEANING, from MY OWN MOUTH, they are not any less of a Christian just because you don't agree with them.

I don't understand HOW I am putting words in your mouth. I just don't. Is anyone else feeling that?

And how do you know what I'm intending??   Oh... .that's right. You don't.

How do I know what you're intending? Oh, that's right, I probably don't because you don't even know how to write what you intend to convey.

[aznxdreamer]

the one true power is the one you believe in.

[Teesa]

exactly. i think religion was made to well..give ppl a sense of security. something to count on. something they can rely upon when things are at its worst. and if things do start turning around for htem, they can call it religion. some clal it coincidence, but personally, wouldn't that be a lot of coincidences...

omygosh, you took the words right out of my mouth
that's exactly what i believe..that religion is just something that people depend on, especially when things are at its worst..and when something good does happen, they say god helped them through that difficult time, or whoever they believe in.

[eggnite]

My two cents:

Believing in God is something I consider to be a blessing that not all people have. And I often pray that more people will eventually know God. It is something that once you actually do have, you can feel it's truth. I cant explain in words, and laugh at me if you want, but God is very real to me. Its so incredible how often God answers my prayers, just another reason that God is real to me.

christianity:

1- god is good, yet he only saves belivers.
2- war can be stated to be ok, even tho it goes against a commandment, but homosexuality cannot be stated to be ok, even if it only goes against a bible verse.
3- christians claim that they're trying to 'save' people by telling them about jesus... when in reality it's because 'jesus won't save everyone until every able ear has heard his words." so that people who try to 'save' people are actually being selfish and trying to save themselves.

that's enough for now.

1- God saves those who want to be saved, and doesnt save people who dont want to be saved. I think thats very nice. He gives everyone what they want.
2- I believe that the commandmet you refer to has a more accurate translation somewhere along the lines of "thou shalt not murder for pleasure". That part about homosexuality confused me, could you refraise that.
3-i follow on the first part, but I have never heard the second part before...I dont see how teling people about Jesus is selfish...



John 3:16-For God so loved the world that he sent his only son so that whosoever believed in him would not perish but have everlasting life

[darkphyre]

My two cents:

Believing in God is something I consider to be a blessing that not all people have. And I often pray that more people will eventually know God. It is something that once you actually do have, you can feel it's truth. I cant explain in words, and laugh at me if you want, but God is very real to me. Its so incredible how often God answers my prayers, just another reason that God is real to me.

If I may add to the previous post:

Religion is a blessing that not all people want to have. Please refrain from praying for me to know God. I am not interested, and I doubt I ever will be. I dislike religion because it often leads to people using the words "truth," "moral," and "real" as if they actually mean anything (see above for an example).

[eggnite]

Sorry, I didnt mean to offend you.

[sadolakced acid]

1- God saves those who want to be saved, and doesnt save people who dont want to be saved. I think thats very nice. He gives everyone what they want.
2- I believe that the commandmet you refer to has a more accurate translation somewhere along the lines of "thou shalt not murder for pleasure". That part about homosexuality confused me, could you refraise that.
3-i follow on the first part, but I have never heard the second part before...I dont see how teling people about Jesus is selfish...
John 3:16-For God so loved the world that he sent his only son so that whosoever believed in him would not perish but have everlasting life

1. no... god does not save those who do not belive in him. that's what the scripture says. you can not belive in god, and want to be saved, and god will still no save you.
2.i belive the commandment i refer to is "THOU SHALT NOT KILL", not tho shalt not murder for pleasure. it is simply, thou shalt not kill. which means, all killing is bad, it's a sin, don't do it. meaning. if you kill anything (even an animal) you've sinned and are not going to heaven.
3. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND COMMING OF CHRIST. HE WILL ONLY COME AND TAKE ALL HIS BELIVERS TO HEAVEN ONCE EVERY ABLE EAR HAS HEARD THE WORD OF CHRIST. ALL MISSIONARYS ARE JUST TRYING TO GET CHRIST TO COME TO THEY CAN GOT TO HEAVEN.

selfish reasons.