Homosexual, //what if...? Options

[.kyan]

well of course we wont encourage all of them to turn gay/les.

but its a human right to get married.

and i really agree with what DaTru KataLYST said.

[DaTru KataLYST]

This is a very *not researched* statement, but IMO I think if the population gradually slowed down its reproduction rates, the world would be easier to handle. Once again, refute me if it's a stupid statement, as I have no idea if it'll really help us or not.

[sadolakced acid]

my statment is blunt:

the only choice a gay person has is whether or not to be public about it.

no matter what, they're still gay.

it's a blunt statment? i prefer to think of it as getting to the point.

[DaTru KataLYST]

errrr I thought blunt meant "getting to the point" but with a negative connotation.

You still didn't prove me wrong. =[ And any corrections to my debating helps me overall. =]


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I stated this already:

And I asked if God is omnicient. In the Bible, he is. Therefore, no matter if a person is privately gay or publicly gay, he is gay. Gay. God doesn't approve of gays. Sure, private gays don't go showing it, but they can have gay sex, gay thoughts, anything a public gay can do except show it publicly. God would KNOW if a person is gay. The only difference of a closet gay and a public gay is that YOU won't be affected by..let's say the aura of a public gay guy sitting riiight next to you. If the person was sitting riiight next to you, but was a closet gay guy, there would be no way you'd know he was gay (since he's in the closet). OH! but God knows! =O What if that guy had gay thoughts for you? You wouldn't know! OH! but God knows!

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So why does it matter if they do have the choice of being in the closet or being publicly gay? I'm stating that the differences of the two would only affect you and other humans.

[Spirited Away]

This is a very *not researched* statement, but IMO I think if the population gradually slowed down its reproduction rates, the world would be easier to handle. Once again, refute me if it's a stupid statement, as I have no idea if it'll really help us or not.

Sure. If you want to look at it that way, wars, famine, diseases can be considered as population control as well.

God doesn't approve of gays

Also, according some Christian earlier comments on this topic: homosexuals aren't the sin, but the act of sodomy or homosexual sex is.

[DaTru KataLYST]

Also, according some Christian earlier comments on this topic: homosexuals aren't the sin, but the act of sodomy or homosexual sex is.

closet gays can have homosexual sex, too.

According to the Bible, not only is sodomy and gay sex a sin, but thinking of gay sex is wrong also. It is paralleled to thinking about murdering someone. Or wanting something another person owns. All three are still sins in God's eyes. God doesn't only look down on gays who practice gay sex, but also people who covet for it.

So it wouldn't matter if gays had gay sex or not. Either way God still does not approve.

[Spirited Away]

closet gays can have homosexual sex, too.

According to the Bible, not only is sodomy and gay sex a sin, but thinking of gay sex is wrong also. It is paralleled to thinking about murdering someone. Or wanting something another person owns. All three are still sins in God's eyes. God doesn't only look down on gays who practice gay sex, but also people who covet for it.

So it wouldn't matter if gays had gay sex or not. Either way God still does not approve.

Ever heard of "hate the sin but love the sinner"? It was cited by many Christians when talking about this topic.

So no, it's not that God disapproves of gays, He disapproves of gay sex. I guess it depends on what denomination you're in because I do get a lot of different answers on this.

[pandamonium]

Ever heard of "hate the sin but love the sinner"? It was cited by many Christians when talking about this topic.

So no, it's not that God disapproves of gays, He disapproves of gay sex. I guess it depends on what denomination you're in because I do get a lot of different answers on this.

i agree with you.

i stated that before in the last page... page number 5 ... if god can accept a person who can kill i bet he has no problem accept a person who is gay.... even though both can be a sin god still loves everyone in chrisitian views. just hate the sin not the sinner.

[nexuskpl]

in response to the comment about gay marriage endangering the world's population...
what i have to say to that is...regardless if they get married or not...they obviously won't be having kids by conventional methods...so what's the prob?
besides...our planet is overpopulated as it is...so bleh..even if it WAS an issue....

[me_myself_andi20...]

Ever heard of "hate the sin but love the sinner"? It was cited by many Christians when talking about this topic.

So no, it's not that God disapproves of gays, He disapproves of gay sex. I guess it depends on what denomination you're in because I do get a lot of different answers on this.

my bible has this thing where u can research and i searched up homosexuality it said having gay sex is sin but it said nothing about being gay is a sin so i support what you say =]

[WhiteLadyOfRohan]

1. THERE IS ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING WRONG WITH IT! its beautiful and liek any other relationshp

2. so many of my friends are bi. i wouldnt change how i feel about them id support them in every way
3. it should definalty be legal to marry. marriage isnt about gender, religon, ancestory, sex, politcs or anything ITS ABOUT LOVE

[*kryogenix*]

1. THERE IS ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING WRONG WITH IT! its beautiful and liek any other relationshp

why are you trying to pass opinion off as fact?

2. so many of my friends are bi.  i wouldnt change how i feel about them id support them in every way

Good for you.

3. it should definalty be legal to marry.  marriage isnt about gender, religon, ancestory, sex,  politcs or anything ITS ABOUT LOVE

Yes, i've seen that stupid banner before. But, what if a man loves his daughter? Is that ok with you? What if a man loves his dog? Is that ok?

Why am I even bothering to argue with you, half the people who post here just say "OMG YOU HOMOPHOBE!!1111" and then never come back.

[.kyan]

Yes, i've seen that stupid banner before. But, what if a man loves his daughter? Is that ok with you? What if a man loves his dog? Is that ok?

i guess it boils down to consent between both parties again?

[raw_material]

doing homosexual stuff is a sin....but then again God still loves you no matter what you do...its your choice to be clear or in the closet about it..no matter what you are gay and God knows it and he still loves you....but i would say God made adam and eve not adam and steve.,...1

[Spirited Away]

Why am I even bothering to argue with you, half the people who post here just say "OMG YOU HOMOPHOBE!!1111" and then never come back.

, so true.

[sadolakced acid]

god only forgives the murderer if he apologizes and truely is sorry for what he did.

likewise, god will only fogive a gay if he apologizes and is truely sorry for having gay sex.

in essense, apologizing for being gay.


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when i said that the only choice gays have is whether or not to be public about it, that means they don't choose to be gay and shouldn't be punished for it.

i'm not saying they should be closet...

[Spirited Away]

One is forgiven if one is homosexual but choose to live a life of abstinence.

[Kriegsgefangene]

Descrimination against homosexuals is kind of stupid.

On a religion standard, I think it is quite odd. Didn't God make everyone? If he didn't want homosexuals, why would he bother to make them? Doesn't he love all his 'Children' equally? Why would we leave out the gay ones?

Really quite intriguing, if you ask me.

Yes, i've seen that stupid banner before. But, what if a man loves his daughter? Is that ok with you? What if a man loves his dog? Is that ok?

A man loves his daughter. I love my father, and my mother, sister, and brother.

I am not going to marry them. Relationships aren't always under 'marriage' circumstances.

I have a good relationship with my sister. We get along well.

So?

And most people do love their pets.

I have met a married couple.. and the woman is old enough to be her husband's daughter.

Let people do what they want. If people feel like they are going to be descriminated against, they won't do things like this in public.

Sort of a freedom we have in America.

Just don't really care unless you are like.. being attacked by a viscious homosexual who is also raping your dog.

Other than that, life threatening, hypothetical situation, what does it matter?

[Spirited Away]

On a religion standard, I think it is quite odd.  Didn't God make everyone?  If he didn't want homosexuals, why would he bother to make them?  Doesn't he love all his 'Children' equally?  Why would we leave out the gay ones? 

As previously stated many times in the thread, God does love homosexuals equally, it's the sin of sodomy that He doesn't care for.

A man loves his daughter.  I love my father, and my mother, sister, and brother.

I am not going to marry them.  Relationships aren't always under 'marriage' circumstances.

I have a good relationship with my sister.  We get along well.

So?

The person was refering to incest, which is completely different from the love that you're speaking of.

And most people do love their pets. 

We're talking about the love between man and woman that is transferred to animals.

I have met a married couple.. and the woman is old enough to be her husband's daughter.

And there is Anna Nicole Smith who married that rich old man for "love". Of course there is true love, I do not doubt that, but how often is that the case?

Let people do what they want.  If people feel like they are going to be descriminated against, they won't do things like this in public. 

We're in the 21st century, yet there is still racism. It's going to take time for people to get used to the idea.

Sort of a freedom we have in America. 

There is such freedom. People are not being thrown in jail for being gay nor are they being executed for being gay, or at least, I should hope not. Even if half of America thinks that homosexuality is wrong, such thought isn't going to stop them from being homosexuals.

Just don't really care unless you are like.. being attacked by a viscious homosexual who is also raping your dog.

That was uncalled for and I don't get much.

Other than that, life threatening, hypothetical situation, what does it matter?

Whether it matters or not depends on the individual. Period.

[sadolakced acid]

god says that people who are proud of being straight are just as bad as people who have gay sex, does he not?

[Spirited Away]

Proud of being straight is a sin and gay sex is a sin. If there isn't gay sex or homosexuals, then there isn't a need to be proud of being straight... is there? That's a question for God.




Look at what you're making me do

[sadolakced acid]

one thing i can't get is how the church can interperat the bible to say that war is ok, and even encourage it (crusades), when thou shalt not kill is a commandment, and the church can't interpret the bible to say gay people need to be treated like any other person when 'thou shalt not lie with a man as one would lie with a woman' isn't a commandment...

[Spirited Away]

one thing i can't get is how the church can interperat the bible to say that war is ok, and even encourage it (crusades), when thou shalt not kill is a commandment,

That's also one of my pet peeved with religion.

and the church can't interpret the bible to say gay people need to be treated like any other person when 'thou shalt not lie with a man as one would lie with a woman'  isn't a commandment...

I didn't get that.

[sadolakced acid]

commandments are the basic laws of the religon... if those can be rulled void, why can't a statement in a bible verse be rulled void?

[Spirited Away]

That is, once again, a question for God.

However, I understand how the encouragement of the Crusades and 'Thou shalt not kill' can contradict each other, but I don't see the contradicition of 'thou shalt not lie with a man as one would lie with a woman'.