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 Mar 31 2004, 06:03 PM
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 lovedme_lovesmenot...explain that!  Group: Member Posts: 590 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 5,423  |
Ok, is it true that y'all believe that we were created by either an explosion, or nature, or ina natural way?
Is it also true taht y'all believe that when we die we just rot? That we dont got o heavena nd we dont go to hell, we just rot in the ground? |
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Mar 31 2004, 06:19 PM
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Hey, I'm no athesit, but can I answer?
I think that the Big Bang theory is a more plausible explanation of how we came to be since we actually DO have proof that the universe is expanding. There's your first answer. - Chinkieeyedpnoi |
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Mar 31 2004, 06:26 PM
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 We are the cure. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 4,936 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,456 |
QUOTE(tomorrow_nvr_comes @ Mar 31 2004, 6:03 PM) Ok, is it true that y'all believe that we were created by either an explosion, or nature, or ina natural way? Is it also true taht y'all believe that when we die we just rot? That we dont got o heavena nd we dont go to hell, we just rot in the ground? atheists just dont believe in god, the very idea that there is someone ruling over us, watching us. atheists can believe anything they want to about how the world was created. apathetic atheists dont really care. personally, i think that the world was created from a huge explosion, or the "big bang". the big bang supposedly happened simultaneously and in every point of space, more or less 15 billion years ago. this explosion determined the beginning of an expansion that is still in progress, which gave rise to hundreds of billions of galaxies, each made of hundreds of billions of stars. about four billion six hundred million years ago, a gaseous cloud caught fire and became a star, this was the birth of our Sun, around which the nine planets of the solar system were formed. on one of these planets, Earth, as a result of a complex series of chemical reactions, the fundamental molecules of life were formed, from lower life forms - higher forms gradually evolved, until we come to the animals we know toda. |
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Mar 31 2004, 07:13 PM
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 Perfectly Flawed Group: Member Posts: 1,913 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,652 |
Im not athiest, but I am agnostic. All I know is that there is no way to prove whether there is or isnt a higher being or not, nor do I know what brought us to be. All I know is that there are many different theories and religions blindly seeking proof of their existence. When I find that proof, ill let you know.
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Mar 31 2004, 07:17 PM
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 pixel hybrid Group: Member Posts: 6,410 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,081 |
I'm not athiest, Wanna hear me theory? I think we die because if we are all immortal then what happens if we all don't fit in this world anymore? (Overcrowded earth means no privacy! Eeek!)
 To the honest truth, every single person has to be believe in afterlife, right? You know? Even from Ancient Egypt and Ancient Greece up to now, there seems to be that split between there's a good place where you live for the rest of your "afterlife" and there's a bad place where you live for the rest of your "afterlife" (which no one really wants to go to..) |
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Mar 31 2004, 07:27 PM
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Perfectly Flawed Group: Member Posts: 1,913 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,652 |
Into the void possibly? Mabye to a heaven or hell? Or mabye the simple truth is that once you die, the activity in your brain just simply stops, and so does your mind... and thats it.
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Mar 31 2004, 07:29 PM
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Ok, I have a sort of mixed theological belief. My family is buddhist so on certain occassions I do believe in reincarnation or rather, let me explain again from the beginning. I do believe that humans evolved from other species. And then when humans die, they go to heaven (a Godless heaven) and they can stay there and party or go get reincarnated if they want or I don't know how my mind works. Whatever.
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Mar 31 2004, 07:33 PM
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QUOTE(lilangelgurlpnai @ Mar 31 2004, 7:17 PM) I'm not athiest, Wanna hear me theory? I think we die because if we are all immortal then what happens if we all don't fit in this world anymore? (Overcrowded earth means no privacy! Eeek!) To the honest truth, every single person has to be believe in afterlife, right? You know? Even from Ancient Egypt and Ancient Greece up to now, there seems to be that split between there's a good place where you live for the rest of your "afterlife" and there's a bad place where you live for the rest of your "afterlife" (which no one really wants to go to..) Actually in Greece everyone goes to the same place. Only Gods are allowed into Olympus. That's why people would bury thier dead ( even kings and queens ) with a gold coin on their hands so that they can pay Charon the usual fee to cross the river styxx into hades. I forgot what their deal is in Egypt though... - Chinkieeyedpnoi |
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Mar 31 2004, 08:33 PM
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Yeah, I second what waccoon said, and for some reason, I believe in reincarnation, but I don't think that we go to a heaven first to decide where we want to go. It's amazing - you get all these stories of little children who burst out, saying, "I died here, Mommy," and some even to the point where they describe meticulous descriptions no one else could describe besides the person that lived it. Oh, and point of clarification: these kids are unaware of death, and are still sheltered. Now, explain that to me. I mean, can they honestly have that big of an imagination when they don't watch TV or know of death and war?
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Mar 31 2004, 08:50 PM
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 3,565, you n00bs ain't got nothin' on me. Group: Official Member Posts: 3,761 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,565 |
im not religious, but i think our bodies rot in the ground, but our soul wanders aimlessly through the universe watching over our younger generations, watching them grow and flourish.
 i believe in spirits. good ones and bad ones.
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Mar 31 2004, 08:56 PM
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I'm atheist, but I'm guessing that not all [atheists] share my beliefs.
I believe in the Big Bang theory too. If you've ever read Angels and Demons, you've heard about anti-matter and such. To me, that's a much more plausible explanation for our existence than a higher being "creating" us. I believe that when we die, everything just stops for us. I think of it this way: If you can't remember anything before you were born, why would you be able to after death? Maybe "rot in the ground" is what I'm saying, but I just like to think of it as a removal of the senses. Who knows? |
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Mar 31 2004, 09:57 PM
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QUOTE(Idyll @ Mar 31 2004, 8:56 PM) I think of it this way: If you can't remember anything before you were born, why would you be able to after death? Maybe "rot in the ground" is what I'm saying, but I just like to think of it as a removal of the senses. Who knows? That's where my belief of reincarnation comes in, although there might be flaws to it, in the instances where children can recall their past lives. You're not supposed to remember your past life, but sometimes souls (as I shall call them) do. |
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Mar 31 2004, 09:59 PM
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Yeah "you" dont rot , because the 'you' you are refering to is yoru consciousness which has already ceased due to the lack neural activity.
however, the body that represents you to the outside world does rot and eventually decay to nothingness. |
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Mar 31 2004, 10:12 PM
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 i'm susan Group: Official Member Posts: 13,875 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 5,029 |
im christian...is that ok? heh.... i duno wat ur religion is cus...well i heard of it...but not a lot...lols i duno anything bot' u guys...but jus to let u kno...God has created us with clay... when u die...and u didnt believe God... u go to hell...and if u die and believe in God, u'll go to heaven... i read some ppls in this place..somethin like aethist believe on everything... i guess i can say i agree^^;; heh....
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Mar 31 2004, 10:13 PM
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i am member numberr 9000 Group: Member Posts: 284 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 9,000 |
i think that if we believe in christ, then we'll be taken up to heaven with him.
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Mar 31 2004, 10:17 PM
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i am an athiest....but i do not think we roth in the ground.....i am a strong believer in moving on yes....but not to a perfect "heaven" or the torturous "hell".....i have read a few books on Theoretical Physics....and there are 13 discovered Dimensions....although we can not perseave them they are there....just like we can not ever perseave "Nothing"....which is impossible to define.....ill thread that later...but i thinki after you die your mind evolves to another level....which inturn causes you body to die away and you mind to move on in the universe.....
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Mar 31 2004, 10:19 PM
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Perfectly Flawed Group: Member Posts: 1,913 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,652 |
So if some little kid was raised to never know god, and was never given the opportunity to "accept god into his heart" then god is going allow him to be sent to hell to burn and be tortured for eternity? Seems like a pretty shallow god.
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Mar 31 2004, 10:35 PM
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We are the cure. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 4,936 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,456 |
exactly - like god forgives all sins? what if i go around, killing christians for the fun of it. then right before i die, i believe in god, i repent. do i still go to heaven?
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Mar 31 2004, 10:43 PM
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Heh another thing is - if "God" is so fair and whatnot, why are innocent children dying at two years of age around the world? They did nothing to deserve that. Meanwhile, you have filthy rich men and women who do the most horrid things...shouldn't they be the ones that are punished? This is another reason why I believe in reincarnation, because I believe that you must've done something in your previous life to deserve what you got in the next life. I know it sounds quite odd, but that's just something I believe in. Also, the Bible tells you to forgive, but say someone purposely kills the one true love of your life...heck, your whole family...now, are you truly supposed to forgive them? According to the Bible, yes. I know you can't bring them back or anything, but what? Are you gonna become best friends with them now? It just doesn't make sense to me...
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Apr 1 2004, 01:14 PM
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lovedme_lovesmenot...explain that! Group: Member Posts: 590 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 5,423 |
ok, well than...for those of you who believe the so called "rot in the ground" thing....than why on earth would you want to believe that after you die you will rot in the ground? I just dont understand. How can you live life having a belief that your are "just there" and then believe that all you are here to do is to marry, breed,and rot?
ok, hypothetical question.... so, what if there is a God? In the case that there is a God and you didnt follow him or even believe in him, and there is a hell...than you would have to go to hell. But, if there isnt a God, and during your life you believed there was one..what is the worst that can happen? you have lived a hopeful, fulfilled, alltogether good life, touched ppls hearts, and gave them hopes and dreams, and then you can rot? Why would you choose to take that chance? I dont understand? |
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Apr 1 2004, 03:54 PM
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 Hi! I'm Dani :) Group: Member Posts: 5,637 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,369 |
hmm i dun think those questions can really b answered.
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Apr 1 2004, 03:57 PM
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pixel hybrid Group: Member Posts: 6,410 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,081 |
QUOTE(chinkieeyedpnoi @ Mar 31 2004, 7:33 PM) Actually in Greece everyone goes to the same place. Only Gods are allowed into Olympus. That's why people would bury thier dead ( even kings and queens ) with a gold coin on their hands so that they can pay Charon the usual fee to cross the river styxx into hades. I forgot what their deal is in Egypt though... - Chinkieeyedpnoi In Egypt, they mumified you because you need your spirit to return to the body so it has the home. If the body was gone then the spirit is left without a home. (Possibly, a ghost) It was said that if your heart weighed as much as the feather of (something) then you can relive your life except with much better ranks and stuff. |
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Apr 1 2004, 03:58 PM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 943 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,007 |
sorry, i belive in god, so i say he did it
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Apr 2 2004, 01:13 AM
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Hi! I'm Dani :) Group: Member Posts: 5,637 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,369 |
but yea truthfully i think god is the creator n i also think that we do either go to heaven or hell wen we die. plus u cant rot in the ground if ur cremated (sp)
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Apr 2 2004, 01:28 AM
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i'm an atheist/buddhist.. well not really anything. i don't believe that something rules over us and that we should follow the rules of something just.. because.. it's our religion.
but i belive we reincarnate. haha =] my family's buddhist.. i'm not the type of atheist that is completely against thinking that there is no 'God' and stuff. and that i shouldn't do this or that, because i don't believe in it.. yeahh.. i don't even think about how the world was created. heh :D |
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