SHUT UP Options

[*mSz_dOrk_anGeL*]

Erhm, I posted this on Clique and yeah I wanted to put it here for more to see =/


Right okay, So whats everyone doing April 13th 2005. I hope nothing, this is the day you need to be quiet.

Why do you ask?

'The Day of Silence institutes a visible silence, a silence during which participants protest anti-LGBT* discrimination and abuse. Such an effort also allows us to reflect upon how powerful silencing can be, to focus on how we can make our own voices stronger and to begin to stop silencing ourselves.'

Now, some of you may have seen my topic on cB about the study done on abuse of Gays and Lesbains in school and can see that I do support Gay Rights. I'm just saying this is a great 'slient' protest and I would be happy if you took part.

I myself am going to show what I'm doing by wearing a shirt I will make that says

Front:
"SHUT UP"

Back:
"Protest anti-LGBT discrimination and abuse."
"Day of Silence 2004"

Thank you for reading and I hope you take part

[DaTru KataLYST]

off topic, but the title of this thread makes me peeved. Whenever I see it on the thread list, and it says 'shut up' I keep thinking someone is insulting me. =[

[edit] troll isn't name-calling. It's a term for people who troll. [o jeez =[, yea it is name calling, haha. ]

[Spirited Away]

off topic, but the title of this thread makes me peeved. Whenever I see it on the thread list, and it says 'shut up' I keep thinking someone is insulting me. =[

I thought the title was very eye catching and appropriate for the intended content of the thread.

[edit] troll isn't name-calling. It's a term for people who troll. [o jeez =[, yea it is name calling, haha.  ]

Told ya so.

[MAXpowers1023]

....All this shit about "I support gay rights" is everywhere but I don't see it being enacted.

Maybe they are closet supporters. Hahaha

I think standing up for something you believe in is very respectable. But I don't see how being silent will be so profound, or worth all the effort. There are many ways you can show your support for a cause, silence just might be the least effective (in my oppinion).

Also, just because someone won't/can't participate in this "day of silence" doesn't mean that they support the cause any less. How do you know they don't show their support in other ways throughout the year?

I don't support gay rights, but I support the American constitutional rights and freedoms. And for those I will fight.

*food for thought*
Homosexuality is an alternate life style, so is pedephilia and nazi-ism. Where does your tolerance end. Bet your not as tolerant as you tthought.

[xnastyninjagrlx]

SOrry I don't think I can be silent for a whole day..and plus I don't agree with homosexual marriages..

[Spirited Away]

Maybe they are closet supporters. Hahaha

I think standing up for something you believe in is very respectable. But I don't see how being silent will be so profound, or worth all the effort. There are many ways you can show your support for a cause, silence just might be the least effective (in my oppinion).

People thought that Ghandi and MLK Jr was silly at first for protesting with non-violence and getting hurt but not use force in turn. Instead of bitching and picking on people, like someone here, other pacifists have found a non-bitching type of protest. There are firsts for everything. I agree that if ONE person was silent for one day, that would be very ineffective, but since there is this talk of pro-homosexuality that SO MANY people like to yell at me for, shouldn't there be more people who would be silent? They don't have to do it because there are anal adults who wouldn't understand, but that doesn't mean they can't even try.

Also, just because someone won't/can't participate in this "day of silence" doesn't mean that they support the cause any less. How do you know they don't show their support in other ways throughout the year?

I don't, but I wasn't the one who assumed so. If you have read the content, you'd know the ONLY thing I've said was that I was frustrated with hearing people claim to be supporters but then make excuses before even trying. Simple as that. Then suddenly people started ganging up on me and accusing me of funny things that are really none of their business.

I don't support gay rights, but I support the American constitutional rights and freedoms. And for those I will fight.

*food for thought*
Homosexuality is an alternate life style, so is pedephilia and nazi-ism. Where does your tolerance end. Bet your not as tolerant as you tthought.

You obviously are new to this board. Many people here know that I never supported homosexuality. It was after a few conversations with the opposition that made me feel that I should not bear so much animosity against someone who can't help to be who they are. I don't support because my morals dictate it so, but that doesn't mean I don't understand their hardship. That is why I said I was semi-convinced. Such things need time.

*food for thought*
Homosexuality is an alternate life style, so is pedephilia and nazi-ism. Where does your tolerance end. Bet your not as tolerant as you tthought. 

I NEVER claimed to be tolerant nor have I claimed to perfect because I have "correct grammar" as someone idiot have said, but I did laugh at those who so proudly announce that they were tolerant of homosexuals yet turn around and bitch at the rest of the world. I like to poke fun at their hypocrisy. One thing I do wish is for people to stop putting words in my mouth.

For the records people, not all teachers are that bad. You all make them into some sort of dictator. That shows lack of respect yet here you all are expecting people to respect you while you disrespect others without even trying to let them help you. What goes around comes around.

That is all.

[jecissa]

I am against homosexuality..
And I also don't see how being silent is going to make any difference. What is the point of that?

[MAXpowers1023]

People thought that Ghandi and MLK Jr was silly at first for protesting with non-violence...

I don't, but I wasn't the one who assumed so. If you have read the content, you'd know the ONLY thing I've said was that I was frustrated with hearing people claim to be supporters but then make excuses before even trying. Simple as that.

You obviously are new to this board. Many people here know that I never supported homosexuality.

I NEVER claimed to be tolerant nor have I claimed to perfect because I have "correct grammar"...

That is all.

There is a difference between non-violence and silence...MLK jr wasn't silent, neither was ghandi.

First off, I didn't aim my post at you...uninspiredfae... It was a general post. I only quoted you to make sure my comment about closet supporters would be understood. You shouldn't make such assumptions, you'll look self-centered. Just because everybody else put you on the defencive by attacking you, it doesn't mean everyone who replys in this thread will do likewise. Calm down, and read the comments more thoroughly.

I didn't quote you for saying anything you did not say. Why do you think I did?

I read the content of this topic. You repeatedly state that you don't like when people assume, so don't make assumptions yourself. Simple as that.

Why would the length of time that I have been a member to cb determine what I know about you? I don't think that knowing what you support is a prerequisite to attaining a membership to this board. I don't study or read all of your post, and I don't see why anyone would... You haven't said anything too profound.

I NEVER said you claimed to be tolerant nor did I say you claimed to perfect because u have "correct grammar"

THAT is all.

[DaTru KataLYST]

careful, debaters like to burn people! Especially with their crazy random sarcasm/satire that I can NEVER PICK UP ON! I mean cmon people! I'm not crazy omnicient! Make your sarcasm more evident for me!

^Random rant right there^


Sleep time! Gnite everyone!! =]

[kellyannie]

being silent for a day would probably be easy for me but.... i dont get it

[iheartsimba]

umm you defintly were picking on her. she stated her opinions on the issue, and you had to continue quoting her and telling her she was not a "true" supporter because she has her priorities also. we may believe in a lot of things, but face it reality isn't like that. it isn't as forgiving, and i wouldn't want to get into a big mess of things at school where my issues really dont matter. and face it, MOST teacher don't care whether you support gay rights. it isn't iggnorance...its real

[Spirited Away]

umm you defintly were picking on her. she stated her opinions on the issue, and you had to continue quoting her and telling her she was not a "true" supporter because she has her priorities also.

I was stating my opinions on the issue as well! Am I not suppose to respond to people who say they support homosexuals then brush off the idea as bad without even freaking trying to do anything about it? I thought you believe in freedom of expression?!?! Where is it now when dealing with me?

You tell me that I don't know anything about you, but "face it", you don't know much about your teachers either.

The least anyone could have done was just to ask their teachers. If they ALL disapprove then just don't sacrifice your grades over it. But what if there are one or two who can HELP YOU CONVINCE the other school officials? You guys would NEVER KNOW until you try. And that, ladies and gents, was my original intent.

we may believe in a lot of things, but face it reality isn't like that. it isn't as forgiving, and i wouldn't want to get into a big mess of things at school where my issues really dont matter.

Oh and you know so much about reality? How old are you? (Don't answer, I can guess) Reality is full of possibilities and isn't so dramatic or unfair as you made it out to be. There are things that won't go your way, but there are things that will. Obviously you will never know which is which until you try.

and face it, MOST teacher don't care whether you support gay rights. it isn't iggnorance...its real

Most teachers MAY not care, but MAYBE JUST ONE of the few that do care can help you.

I guess I understand where you all are getting the idea that this whole silence thing isn't going to work. It's all because you all KNOW that no one else is going to do it. HOW do you know? Because you all assume that everyone is like yourself. I feel sorry for the girl who posted this thread. She meant to find some allies, people who believe so strongly as she does, yet finding nothing more than excuses. And though those excuses were plausible, understandable, they could've been said without the "I don't think it's going to work so I'm not going to try" stuff.

Enough said for now.

[mirage]

it's probably too hard to shut up the whole day, i will start the minute i go to sleep.

[jecissa]

I still don't see how being quiet a whole day would somehow help gay people. Does this make sense to anyone else?

[Suesterrx]

how would it actually help though?

[Spirited Away]

How does it help?

Try it and find out .

There were a number of people who thought that non-violence protest (used by Ghandi, MLK Jr) was useless, but it helped brought on many good things. So, you never know what will happen.

[iheartsimba]

*sigh*

[*[2]Nekked*]

to james... this isnt to protest against anti-lgbt marraige.. its to protest against persecution.. prejudice... the silencing of lgbt people. lgbts shouldnt have to hide their sexuality "in the closet." they should be free to be who they are without having to watch their backs.

to the people saying that doing this may piss off the adults.. well isnt that the point? well not really the point, but if you piss them off, you're getting their attention. you being silent is like a smack in their face after having been silenced by others. protests will always piss someone off, and i say the more the merrier.

also, you dont have to be silent all day. you can take a vow of silence for just one or two hours...

[pAtRiCk_sTar]

that's cool, i would totally do it, but i don't think my school does this it'd be so easy for me, if i really did want to, i couldn't talk for a looong time.

[*[2]Nekked*]

that's cool, i would totally do it, but i don't think my school does this it'd be so easy for me, if i really did want to, i couldn't talk for a looong time.

your school doesnt have to do it. it isnt just for school..

[Ladii_D1809]

okay earlierr this year i think in october but 2 or 3 weeks before holloween, just baout our whole 8th grade took the vow of silence, to support gay rights, and against abuse and everything, no i'm not all for gay rights but i am against prejudice against ppl, well like i said we tried, and it stirred up a big conservty (sp?) with the parents, and half of the 22 of us, so about 11 ppl were suspended. And for all the ppl who are saying that it will piss parents and teachers off, think about this, when you're talkin in class you're pissin teachers off, when you're not paying attention in class you're pissin thiem off. and just like when you don't do what your parents do you're pissing them off, so get over it, if you beilive in the cause then you'll do it! So yeah in Aprill i'll take a vow of silence and like [2] Nekked said you can do it as long as you want, i'll probably only do it for an hour or so, cause i know i can't go long without talking
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[Spirited Away]

I also mentioned that everyone should talk to some adults first before attemting it if he/she feels that doing it would jepardize his/her accademics.

[*[2]Nekked*]

sorry i didnt keep up with this topic, but i do have something to add to it.

there are other ways to communicate with your teachers than talking. and you dont HAVE to talk to them, as long as they dont ask you questions. if you let them know before hand (usually you make out a little card, informing them of what you're doing and why, and you show all your teachers), i think they would keep that in mind and not ask you any questions or put you in a position where you would have to talk. the most my teachers did was ask me yes or no questions and i just nodded or shook my head. i dont understand how not talking pisses teachers and parents off. you dont have to make a big show of it, and as long as you dont, your teachers wont bother you. more so if you only take the vow for like an hour or so.

[*krnxswat*]

sorry i didnt keep up with this topic, but i do have something to add to it.

there are other ways to communicate with your teachers than talking.

Yeah, like giving them the finger.

[miss barnes]

all i got to say is that i sure aint doing it

[*Solipsist*]

Note to Self: Scream real loud on 4.13.05

- Solipsist