SHUT UP Options

[*jooleeah*]

 
And why would they be pissed? If you truly support the cause, then you shouldn't mind someone's anger for one day anyway. Let them know what you're doing and why you're doing it. Most adults will understand what you're doing if you say the right things.

okay, then i don't truly support the cause. i was just saying i believed in their rights. that's all. look, my teachers just don't care if i'm supporting a cause or not. they expect me to answer their questions or say something in class to them. I'm sorry, but i just don't want to get into trouble with my teachers.

[Spirited Away]

must you make everyhting into a debate?

Am I debating or am I just quoting myself because my previous comments have already answered their comments? If you think I'm debating, know that I'm not even trying.

Why must YOU think I'm turning everything into a debate? Picking on me, are ya?

maybe they also TRULY don't want to get in trouble. i'm for gay rights, but in order of importance, i think my grades are more important then a silent protest and all.

And all I'm insinuating is that if you really cared, then you'd help the cause by participating, if you do care and and worry more about your grades then you really care about yourself more, obviously.

I'm just pointing out why, then, that whenever people say they're against homosexuals, that there are sOooooooooo many people step up to say that they're wrong, while there is a chance for everyone to ban together, no one is willing to do it? I smell hypocrisy.

theres no need to quote yourself, i read that. schools do not believe in the diversity and equality they teach. they are very hypocritical. and you are not thoreau.

Do you think that I think I'm Thoreau? Hehe, thanks, I guess, but I'm not trying to prove myself to be anyone BUT myself. I quote because your comment was ALREADY answered in my previous comment. I don't like rewording myself just because people fail to read me the first time.

okay, then i don't truly support the cause. i was just saying i believed in their rights. that's all. look, my teachers just don't care if i'm supporting a cause or not. they expect me to answer their questions or say something in class to them. I'm sorry, but i just don't want to get into trouble with my teachers.

So have you talked this out with your conselor? How do you know that your teachers don't care? One or all of them could believe the same as you but their job demands that they can't do it. You'd never know if you haven't tried your best to help.

[*tweeak*]

there are consequences. while you may believe in it, sometimes the consequences can outweigh the accomplishments of doing something that really has no effect on anything. like thoraeu. he didnt pay his taxes because he didnt believe in the war, so he was put in jail for it, but he got out on bail because someone paid them for him. what did that accomplish in stopping the war? nothing. he accomplished nothing at all. yes, he felt he had done what was right, but not only did it have no impact, he ended up not even sticking to his own cause, because he let someone pay them, because he didnt feel he should have been sent to jail to being with, that he had the right to abstain from doing what he felt morallly opposed to. in theory, thats great, but if everyone were to do that, that would be chaos, and the world could not work like that. if everyone stopped talking, thats great for the cause, or it would be, if it actually did something, but then the school cannot fulfill its purpose

(wow i actually learned something in school today)

[Spirited Away]

there are consequences. while you may believe in it, sometimes the consequences can outweigh the accomplishments of doing something that really has no effect on anything. like thoraeu. he didnt pay his taxes because he didnt believe in the war, so he was put in jail for it, but he got out on bail because someone paid them for him. what did that accomplish in stopping the war? nothing. he accomplished nothing at all. yes, he felt he had done what was right, but not only did it have no impact, he ended up not even sticking to his own cause, because he let someone pay them, because he didnt feel he should have been sent to jail to being with, that he had the right to abstain from doing what he felt morallly opposed to.

So because you know something won't work out the way you want it to, you won't even TRY?

in theory, thats great, but if everyone were to do that, that would be chaos, and the world could not work like that. if everyone stopped talking, thats great for the cause, or it would be, if it actually did something, but then the school cannot fulfill its purpose

Once again, so because you have a feeling that something won't work out, you won't put your mind to at least trying it?

Look at the homosexual cause. They law is AGAINST them and yet they do the best they can to make the government understand. Why then, that those who SAY THEY support homosexuality can't even try to find loop holes to support them.

If a person really tried their best and not succeed, that's fine, but there are too many people who just SAY that they can't even try because they *think* it's not going to work anyways.

If our Founding Fathers have the same mindset as you, then there wouldn't even be an America. After all, who would ever think we can win against Great Britain, one of the most powerful country/empire at the time?

(wow i actually learned something in school today)

That's nice and that's why I like school.

[*tweeak*]

So because you know something won't work out the way you want it to,  you won't even TRY?

Once again, so because you have a feeling that something won't work out, you won't put your mind to at least trying it?

Look at the homosexual cause. They law is AGAINST them and yet they do the best they can to make the government understand. Why then, that those who  SAY THEY support homosexuality can't even try to find loop holes to support them.

If a person really tried their best and not succeed, that's fine, but there are too many people who just SAY that they can't even try because they *think* it's not going to work anyways.

If our Founding Fathers have thought like you, then there wouldn't even be an America. After all, who would ever think we can win against Britain, one of the most powerful country at the time?

i actually did try, but that wasnt my point. i just wasnt suffieciently explicit, because im trying to do homework too. in fact, most of my points were in the allusions, because this strikes me as rather transidental. i do think it was a good idea, just a rather useless one. i do think people should try, but i dont think its worth the conequences to keep fighting for something that does not actually help a cause. thoreaus lack of paying taxes, then having them pay anything did not accomplish anything. and while yes, that was hyocritical, and perhaps what im saying about trying then not fighting further is slightly hypocritical as well, but in this particular circumastance, the options are not balanced. there is no point in getting suspended and damaging my permenent record for something that does not actually help any sort of cause. not talking does not gain rights. peaceful protest is great, but not terribly effective. this day of silence was a good idea, but its not practical, because no one is going to gain any support by our lack of speech.

oh, but its very rare we learn anything useful, which is why i hate it. but i do like language arts, where we learned of thoreau

and on the founding fathers stuff, that was different, because their movement was actually progressive, as opposed to just not talking for a day

[Spirited Away]

i actually did try, but that wasnt my point. i just wasnt suffieciently explicit, because im trying to do homework too. in fact, most of my points were in the allusions, because this strikes me as rather transidental. i do think it was a good idea, just a rather useless one. i do think people should try, but i dont think its worth the conequences to keep fighting for something that does not actually help a cause.

A "good", "useless idea". That was one of the best oxymoron I've seen a while.

My intended question was, how do you know it wouldn't work? If you can convince just one person to just consider your point of view on homosexuality, then I say you have accomplished something. What convinced me to not be so against homosexuality was the fact that my Mom simply made me think about their situation.

It "strikes" me as odd is that you all seem to think that an accomplishment must me something BIG and, perhaps, news worthy. I think it would be an accomplishment just to show homosexuals that there ARE people who cares for them and that they are not alone in their fight. Is that not accomplishment enough?

thoreaus lack of paying taxes, then having them pay anything did not accomplish anything. and while yes, that was hyocritical, and perhaps what im saying about trying then not fighting further is slightly hypocritical as well, but in this particular circumastance, the options are not balanced. there is no point in getting suspended and damaging my permenent record for something that does not actually help any sort of cause. not talking does not gain rights. peaceful protest is great, but not terribly effective. this day of silence was a good idea, but its not practical, because no one is going to gain any support by our lack of speech. 

Once again, there were so many people who thought that colonials were crazy for going against the Bristish at first but then after so many were CONVINCED of a greater cause, many of those people enlisted to help. History has proven that nothing is known to be failure or success unless you try.

and on the founding fathers stuff, that was different, because their movement was actually progressive, as opposed to just not talking for a day

A thousand mile journey begins with one step. I say that convincing one person of your support and making them re-think their animosity is that first step.


Take me for example, people, especially IheartSimba, know that I'm not one to support homosexuals, but here I am trying to convince people to do something for their cause. I guess you can say that I've been slightly convinced. Is that not an accomplishment on the person who made me changed my stubborn mind?

[*_jelly_bean_*]

I would do this, but it's like, i can't. my parents, teachers, etc would get mad at me for not talking and it's just way too hard. but it doesn't mean i don't support gay rights and such.

i agree...

i do support gay rights, but like ^ said it's just too hard to be silent all day without getting in trouble.

i really think it is great that you are taking a stand. it's great to see someone be active and not just sit around! good job!

[*AngelicEyz00*]

your teachers should understand though i'd love to do it.... i remember earlier this year when other kids were doing it... eh

[Spirited Away]

your teachers should understand though i'd love to do it.... i remember earlier this year when other kids were doing it... eh

So you tried, right? So the good thing is you at least tried.

[Sumiaki]

I couldn't go a whole day without communicating with someone. I'm too lazy to try and learn sign language or use a dry erase board. As for morse code, well not many people know it.

[x emo screamo x]

I myself am going to show what I'm doing by wearing a shirt I will make that says

Front:
"SHUT UP"

Back:
"Protest anti-LGBT discrimination and abuse."
"Day of Silence 2004"

Thank you for reading and I hope you take part[/SIZE][/font]

Shouldn't it be 'day of silence 2005'? I mean april is next year ... yeah.
I'll try to remember the date.

[iheartsimba]

"If you think I'm debating, know that I'm not even trying."

kind of sad? =/

this isn't in debate, go argue with some other people...
its not that big of a deal, dont pick on people whether or not they are willing to do it. just because they don't do the silent protest doesn't mean they are for it...and yes actually i do care baout my grades a lot, and i don't think me not speaking for a whole day would really change anyhting at all about gay rights. i may believe in them, but does that mean i have to do a silent protest? no i order things in importance for myself, and currently my grades are pretty important to me, and i dont want to get in trouble for something in school for speaking [or not speaking] my mind. no, not all teachers are that ideal, i doubt they really care that much on whether you supposrt gay rights or not. and as you would do ' '

[xbr0kensmil3]

i'll try but i don't think i'll be able to stay quiet all day

[apple.]

shut up

[yummy_delight]

i did it last year and it went pretty well... although my bio teacher DID ask me if i was a lesbian among other probing questions. still! it was a good experience and i'm doing it again this year. funny idea for a shirt. insulting and effective. me likey.

[teenprincess]

I won't not talk the entire day but I promise I'll be extra quiet.

[lovescream]

Erhm, I posted this on Clique and yeah I wanted to put it here for more to see =/


Right okay, So whats everyone doing April 13th 2005. I hope nothing, this is the day you need to be quiet.

Why do you ask?

'The Day of Silence institutes a visible silence, a silence during which participants protest anti-LGBT* discrimination and abuse. Such an effort also allows us to reflect upon how powerful silencing can be, to focus on how we can make our own voices stronger and to begin to stop silencing ourselves.'

Now, some of you may have seen my topic on cB about the study done on abuse of Gays and Lesbains in school and can see that I do support Gay Rights. I'm just saying this is a great 'slient' protest and I would be happy if you took part.

I myself am going to show what I'm doing by wearing a shirt I will make that says

Front:
"SHUT UP"

Back:
"Protest anti-LGBT discrimination and abuse."
"Day of Silence 2004"

Thank you for reading and I hope you take part

i never heard of it. but i am sure to do the same thing; make a shirt like that =P

[Spirited Away]

"If you think I'm debating, know that I'm not even trying."

kind of sad? =/

this isn't in debate, go argue with some other people...

Kiddo, get OVER YOURSELF. You're trying to be the wonderful hero but obviously you don't even KNOW what you're defending. First you support homosexuality then you bust me for saying that I want more people to act in support of them instead of just talk the talk.

You're like some sort of walking talking contradiction. Don't be calling ME out, telling ME what to do, when you need to quit messing with me. I'm not arguing with you so don't be butting into my business. This is a forum and people will butt in, but you're just taking things too personally because you don't like me. Isn't that a bit immature? Huh?

its not that big of a deal, dont pick on people whether or not they are willing to do it. just because they don't do the silent protest doesn't mean they are for it... and yes actually i do care baout my grades a lot,

Am I picking on them or am I voicing my opinion that people should walk the walk, not just talk the talk? All this shit about "I support gay rights" is everywhere but I don't see it being enacted. That's why I'm wondering where all your heorism went.

I also said it was damn "FINE" if you just "TRY". I'm not saying that you should sacrifice your grades, but I am saying that you should at least try, ask around, to see how it will affect your accademically.

You can't read very well, can you?

and i don't think me not speaking for a whole day would really change anyhting at all about gay rights.

You're right, you "THINK" it won't change so you won't even try to do it. Like I said before, if our founding fathers thought like you: don't try it because it won't do anything, then the America we know today wouldn't exist. Just because YOU THINK you can't change something doesn't mean that it's true.

Why do you think there is a saying that changes (to society) should begin at home? Or the saying that "the thousand mile journey begins with one step"?

People like you fall and never get up again because you fear that you'll fall again.

i may believe in them, but does that mean i have to do a silent protest? no i order things in importance for myself, and currently my grades are pretty important to me, and i dont want to get in trouble for something in school for speaking [or not speaking] my mind.

You have your priorities, I respect that. But remember that other people have their priorities as well. As in, don't throw a hissy fit when people say they're anti-gay rights like you did with me in debates even though I'm not really speaking against it. You have your priorities and anti-gay rights people have their priorities.

no, not all teachers are that ideal, i doubt they really care that much on whether you supposrt gay rights or not. and as you would do ' '

If you had learned to read correctly, you'd noticed that I said "one or all" adults might understand what you're doing. The would "ONE" should have hinted something in your brain.

And once more, if you have convinced ONE person of your cause, then it's certainly BETTER than not convincing anyone at all.

Lastly, do get over yourself. I was NOT trying to debate, but I was simply inputting what I thought about the matter. You're a hypocrite for telling me what to do. After all, don't YOU hate the fact that the law says that homosexuals can't marry? If you don't like people taking other people's freedom away, then why are you attempting it with me?

Now, I'm debating, but it's only because you started it and you're asking for it.

[iheartsimba]

get over myself? how am i doing that?


how am i trying to be a hero? how am i contradticting?

you act like you know me or something, but you don't, so don't judge me.
all i said was what i thougth about it...face it teacher dont understand about everything. there job is to teach us, and i dont thye would really care what we think on the issue of gay rights. if anyone is ignorant here, its you, trust me

how did i start it?
you were the one who got on my best friends case [joohliah]
and i simply stuck up for her

and i can read just fine, thanks

"People like you fall and never get up again because you fear that you'll fall again. "

people like ME? excuse me, but you don't know me and you defintly dont have that right to say that about me.

[DaTru KataLYST]

omg, why don't you people just post if you support or not, and if another person wants to refute, go ahead. But puhhleeez, this is the lounge, be more light-hearted than debate. The thread starter is trying to spread a message, and now its turned into a sparring match.

debate people need to understand things are a little 'lighter' here on the lounge, and if you got a major problem with a person you should use PM.

and stop trolling, seriously. No one here is divinely omniscient.

[Spirited Away]

Some of you obviously don't know an opinion when you see one.

[DaTru KataLYST]

Some of you obviously don't know an opinion when you see one.

Some of you obviously don't know when to let it go sometimes. =[ Lighten up on the refuting, yo.

[Spirited Away]

Some people need to look up the word debate and opinion in the dictionary before barking at me.

get over myself? how am i doing that? 

Exactly, genius, you're not.

how am i trying to be a hero? how am i contradticting?

Because you bitched at me for what I said about homosexuality but now that I'm asking that people do more to support, you still bitch at me. It's like you have constant mood swings or something.

you act like you know me or something, but you don't, so don't judge me.
all i said was what i thougth about it...face it teacher dont understand about everything. there job is to teach us, and i dont thye would really care what we think on the issue of gay rights. if anyone is ignorant here, its you, trust me

Ignorance. I've been accused of that too many times by people who claim to be superior. I don't have a problem with that .

But it is awfully presumptuous and IGNORANT of you to say that your teachers don't care.

how did i start it?
you were the one who got on my best friends case [joohliah]
and i simply stuck up for her

Good for you. You would stick up to your best friend, I stick up for the cause . I'm sure you understand. EXPLAIN how I "got on your bestfriend's case" by the way? If you can answer, that'll be great.

and i can read just fine, thanks

Sure you can .

people like ME? excuse me, but you don't know me and you defintly dont have that right to say that about me.

I don't know you, but know that pictures are worth a thousand words. Similarly, what you say speaks a lot about you.

[DaTru KataLYST]

Some people need to look up the word debate and opinion in the dictionary before barking.   

More postage count for me? O.o


You have been refuting iheartsimba's posts. you've been analyzing them, countering them, and adding your opinions on them. Debate needs opinion. Fact is just used to support your opinion, and you've been trying to carve into every crack of iheartsimba's posts. You've gotten your point across, she has too. Both of you need to stop beating the expired horse. =[ That's it from me, continue if you really wish.

[edit] you are definitely looking like a troll on the boards right now, IMO. And forums hate trolls.

[Spirited Away]

You have been refuting iheartsimba's posts. you've been analyzing them, countering them, and adding your opinions on them. Debate needs opinion. Fact is just used to support your opinion, and you've been trying to carve into every crack of iheartsimba's posts. You've gotten your point across, she has too. Both of you need to stop beating the expired horse. =[ That's it from me, continue if you really wish.

If you had care to READ... ahem (another genius) then you'd know that she admitted that she picked on me because she THINKS I "got on her friend's case". Yah?

I've been quite on topic and just letting people know that I'm sick and tired of hearing all these people "supporting" homosexuals but not actually doing anything about it when the chance comes.

Thanks for your effort to gang up on me. That was fun.

Once again, if you think I was debating (before miss righteous "got on" MY CASE), know that I wasn't trying.

Yea, this forum doesn't have much tolerance for trouble, but I wasn't the one who started. People just take things so personally, it's sad.

And your calling me names make you so much more mature.