school uniforms Options

[iwannalosemybrea...]

I think that they would actually help. I too had to wear uniforms, in middle school, mind you, but I found that people didn't worry as much about clothes as they did about school and other social matters. I remember the year before...it was sixth grade...there were these girls in our grade who lived in a trailer park...and stereotypically, it showed. They were teased and ostracized...and I felt so bad for them. I talked to them and when they tried to talk to me about how they felt, they cried. Ever since then, I've been an avid supporter of uniforms, when need be. Now, I know not all school will need them, but those who do, GO FOR IT!

Lani...n_n

...and i don't agree with the whole individualoty arguement. In our attempts to fit certain "labels", we all become a group of those trying to be individuals...eh, maybe that's just over-analyzing things, but it's true.

[ComradeRed]

If the trailer trash couldn't afford normal clothes, how do you expect them to afford uniforms? It would just make them poorer.

[Spirited Away]

If the trailer trash couldn't afford normal clothes, how do you expect them to afford uniforms? It would just make them poorer.

...

My family was in a a little worst situation than the everyday trailer trash. There were finacial assistance available for us. Maybe we could work something out with those families like that?

But again, that's not to say that every school should have uniforms, I think it depends on the area.

[NatoBoy]

i wore uniform in 1st grade up to 7th grade, uniform sucks, i think of uniforms as being uncomfortable. now that im in high skool, it feels so free that we dont have to wear uniforms =]

[sadolakced acid]

but minda would have a point:

would it be like school lunch, where you can have cheaper or free lunch if you're poor?

but would it also be like school lunch

in that once one company won the contract they'd feel free to make the uniforms as bad as the wanted?

[Spirited Away]

would it be like school lunch, where you can have cheaper or free lunch if you're poor? 

So you don't agree with that?

in that once one company won the contract they'd feel free to make the uniforms as bad as the wanted?

What contract? As in contract to make uniforms? Are you talking about the effects of it economincally?

[sadolakced acid]

i'm not against the school lunch thing...

and with the contract thing... there's no competition. one company supplies the uniforms, and they get money for it. if students HAVE to wear the uniforms, regardless of quality, could not these companies make cheap uniforms that the students must have because of the uniform rules?

uniforms will lack a free enterprise system to keep thier quality. when one company dominates, nothing good happens.

i.e.= i.e. (internet explorer) it's basically the same as 5 years ago, because no competition. mozilla has tabbed browsing, which is much better than window by window, but microsoft doesn't impliment it because they make so much money, they don't care if you're happy with it you're basically stuck with it.

[Spirited Away]

and with the contract thing...  there's no competition.  one company supplies the uniforms, and they get money for it.  if students HAVE to wear the uniforms, regardless of quality, could not these companies make cheap uniforms that the students must have because of the uniform rules? 

... there are contracts in ALL competitive industries. Contracts do expire and companies compete by price and quality. So I don't really get how you'd get there's no competition... It's not possible.

uniforms will lack a free enterprise system to keep thier quality.  when one company dominates, nothing good happens.

... free enterprise system? We're definately not talking monopoly here are we? Uniforms are in no way, absolutely no way, that uniforms can be solely made or provided by only one firm. It's a homogeneous good that can be reproduce quite easily. Whoever has the comparative advantage of producing or providing it will be contracted thus companies compete in that sense.

i.e.=  i.e. (internet explorer)  it's basically the same as 5 years ago, because no competition.  mozilla has tabbed browsing, which is much better than window by window, but microsoft doesn't impliment it because they make so much money, they don't care if you're happy with it you're basically stuck with it.

... It depends on what kind of browsing one needs. IE works well with basic web browsing and compatible with many computers while mozilla or other providers offer more or less, depending on what one needs. If you want a computer example, many graphic designers prefer Apple over Microsoft because they may feel that Apple is superior for their designing needs.

[*kryogenix*]

i.e.= i.e. (internet explorer) it's basically the same as 5 years ago, because no competition. mozilla has tabbed browsing, which is much better than window by window, but microsoft doesn't impliment it because they make so much money, they don't care if you're happy with it you're basically stuck with it.

Well, things will change. Even though Micro$oft has publicly stated that they don't see Mozilla as a threat, rumor is that they will be implementing tabbed browsing with the next version of IE bundled with Longhorn. Also, they will make it so the only browser that can access port 80 (the http port) will be IE, not Opera, not Netscape, not Mozilla. Not a threat eh? What's more is, IE use has dropped under 90%. We'll be seing some improvements soon.

But to keep in topic,

and with the contract thing... there's no competition. one company supplies the uniforms, and they get money for it. if students HAVE to wear the uniforms, regardless of quality, could not these companies make cheap uniforms that the students must have because of the uniform rules?

uniforms will lack a free enterprise system to keep thier quality. when one company dominates, nothing good happens.

There is plenty of competition. My technology teacher told us that there are several companies that offer their product, have a price, and the school bids on them. Just like an auction, but instead of the price going up, the companies try to lower the price. I think that's how lendingtree.com works (based on what I see on their commercials).

[sadolakced acid]

yes, but once the school chooses, you're stuck.

and it's like our weapons; lowest bidder wins.

however, if instead of one set uniform, a list of uniforms from various companies you could choose, that might be better.

(but, point being. they don't have to worry about you(the one who wears the uniforms) liking them, or being comfortable. all they have to worry about is the school board liking them. so... the customer is the school board, that's who the uniforms have to appeal to. not who they should, the students. )

[*kryogenix*]

yes, but once the school chooses, you're stuck.

and it's like our weapons; lowest bidder wins.

Why is that a bad thing if you're stuck? The school picked what it felt was the best option, and got it at a lower than normal price.

As for the weapons, that's not always the case. I believe I remember learning that the M1 Abrams tank (the tank we use in modern combat such as Iraq) won over another design that was cheaper.

however, if instead of one set uniform, a list of uniforms from various companies you could choose, that might be better.

(but, point being.  they don't have to worry about you(the one who wears the uniforms) liking them, or being comfortable.  all they have to worry about is the school board liking them.  so... the customer is the school board, that's who the uniforms have to appeal to.  not who they should, the students.  )

you aren't powerless in that situation. the student body should remind the school that the board should pick the uniform with the student in mind.

[sadolakced acid]

ahh. you aren't powerless, but you have very little power.

you're not the bottom line on whether you buy thier product anymore... they don't have to make you happy.

if schools had optional uniforms, do you think they'd sell? no, the competition from the regular clothes students want to wear is too great.

with uniforms, you've just made everyone in the school HAVE to buy ONE company's uniform. how is this good? the uniforms need not appeal to the people who wear them... they only need to appeal to the ones that set the rules that they have to be worn.

if you were to buy a computer, or a car, would you like it if the company that made it didn't listen to your complaints, and you HAD to buy thier car or computer?

now granted a polo shirt and khakis can't be screwed up too much, but what if i find that the seams are uncomfortable? what if the khakis just don't fit right? then goody for me, i still have to buy that uniform, even if it doesn't suit me.

[Spirited Away]

ahh. you aren't powerless, but you have very little power.

you're not the bottom line on whether you buy thier product anymore... they don't have to make you happy.

if schools had optional uniforms, do you think they'd sell? no, the competition from the regular clothes students want to wear is too great.

Schools are allowed to choose the company that will supply their uniforms. Before that, there is probably a committee that will choose the design.

Schools signs contract. If they find a better company then they'll sign a new contract after the one they have is over.

with uniforms, you've just made everyone in the school HAVE to buy ONE company's uniform.  how is this good?  the uniforms need not appeal to the people who wear them...  they only need to appeal to the ones that set the rules that they have to be worn.

Why wouldn't it be good to have one contracted supplier then move on to another one once your contract is finished? That is how the business world usually works.

if you were to buy a computer, or a car, would you like it if the company that made it didn't listen to your complaints, and you HAD to buy thier car or computer?

... Contracts run out. Companies would WANT TO follow the demands of their customer in order to have another year of contract.

now granted a polo shirt and khakis can't be screwed up too much, but what if i find that the seams are uncomfortable?  what if the khakis just don't fit right?  then goody for me, i still have to buy that uniform, even if it doesn't suit me.

Get it taylored. If someone is too poor to do that then they can probably get some financial help from the school. After all the school wouldn't want one student to wear sagging khakis or crooked seams to school. If the uniform they bought was defective then the school can take it out with the company.

[sadolakced acid]

ahh, but it would be simpler if people wore thier own clothes, no?

and of course, you have the problem. uniforms are selected by a COMMITIEE

and we all know how well committies do.

[Spirited Away]

ahh, but it would be simpler if people wore thier own clothes, no?

Not really.

and of course, you have the problem.  uniforms are selected by a COMMITIEE 

Commitee members could be elected.

and we all know how well committies do.

Sure.

[*islandgirl4eva*]

I wore uniforms in middle school too, but I actually kinda liked them. For me, it felt kind of fun to wear my jumper to school...but then again, we had a pretty wide variety of things we could wear. We could wear collared shirts as long as they didn't have logos, jumpers, skirts, skirts, pants, shorts...etc. They let us accessorize and we wanted, so, I guess it wasn't that bad. We looked nice, did better in school (literally), and there was definitely a better sense of unity amongst us. We were the pioneers of the middle schools, first to wear uniforms. I enjoyed it.

It wasn't bad for me, but I can still see everyone else's points.

[nexuskpl]

i think school uniforms are a good and bad thing...

i went to a catholic school for about 5 years....i hated the uniforms thing...but then it has it's pros...

i won't name the obvious ones that most likely everyone has covered...

but like little things i notice is that it encourages creativity....back when i was in private school we'd find every way to, well, look different...from funky socks, to funky jewelry, to funky every friggin thing...was kinda fun, in a way

[audory]

no way. clothing is a way people express themselves. besides, if there were uniforms in every school, clothing stores would lose customers.

[Spirited Away]

no way. clothing is a way people express themselves. besides, if there were uniforms in every school, clothing stores would lose customers. 

If people can't express themselves by other means, then people are stupid.

Oh yea, I forget that we wear uniforms to parties, to the movies, and to sleep. Or is it that I forget we live in school always and have no life outside of school therefore we do not require non-uniform clothes.

I also forget that I walk naked around the house, or whenever I'm not wearing uniforms, I'm nude.

[lilteardrop]

no. its a form of self expression. clothing comes in such a variety that you can just tell a person`s personality by what they wear. whats next. piercings to show who you are?

[runforfun529]

My mom and I had a little debate about this yesterday

I can see both ways but I like the no uniform side better because kids need self expression. But it would always be a lot easier to not have to worry about what you are wearing tomorrow

[heyyfrankie]

i don't know. alot of the parents don't like it. but alot of them love it. my school had one got rid of it. everyone was happy.


the parents - yes
the students - no

[*not_your_average*]

Not too sure, but yeah, I guess. Although I like shopping, there is tons of pressure at my school to buy the "best" brands. (My school is filled with preps, so by "best brands" I mean Hollister, A & F, Aeropostale...) And the stuff they wear is extremely skanky sometimes, so it's a huge annoyance having to see a girl's ass crack everytime she bends over. I personally am for uniforms, however, I think we should have them designed by students and approved by administrators. That could be an idea.

But I am mostly pro-uniform, so there.

[KissMe2408]

I think it makes the school look more respectible with uniforms, but i dun think it's exactly mandatory

[relicwcircuits]

school uniforms are horrible..