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criticism, how well can you take it?
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post Oct 14 2004, 06:00 PM
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so yah, it's no news that there's a lot of drama going around, especially because people confuse constructive criticism with blatant ignorance. the object of constructive criticism is to better the quality of one's work; that is the only reason why such a form of criticism exists. any other form of criticism or opinions stated without facts/experience/plausible reason behind it is plain ignorance, of which, too often, we are guilty.

there's a lot of unnecessary drama going on, but i know all of us are guilty of being amused by it at some point. it just gets annoying when everyone jumps on the bandwagon hating on a specific someone. if it started out between two people, then it should end between two people. everyone else who joins in on the argument is guilty of the hypocrosy s/he writes about because essentially s/he is just fueling the anger.

people state their opinions in different ways. some people happen to be more blunt, more honest, more "bitchy" as you say, than others. it's really not your problem how they get their points across; you do not need to get involved in the matter. you also have to keep in mind not everyone will approach everything in a happy-go-lucky way.

when it does involve you, you can still choose to ignore whatever criticism was given to you. if you know that person can be harsh in making constructive criticism, then skip his/her comment, for crying out loud ;x. it's also greatly annoying when you change the subject matter to something utterly childish. a mature debate/argument is done without making personal attacks against each other that has nothing to do with what you were arguing about in the first place. if you started out talking about a layout, then end it there. you don't need to go on about the person's "attitude" 'cause it has no relevence whatsoever to the original argument.

it also doesn't help your argument when you talk about one's grammatical errors. i can guarantee no member of createblog has perfect grammar. if you can't diagram the sentence, then it's not correct, and i've seen a whole lot of un-diagrammable sentences out there. no one has right to talk shit about anyone's grammar unless all your posts are perfectly diagrammable.

those are my thoughts ;p so...how well can you take criticism?
 
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post Oct 14 2004, 06:07 PM
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post Oct 14 2004, 06:08 PM
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i bet u didnt even read it... or else u would have gave ur own response ><;
 
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post Oct 14 2004, 06:09 PM
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post Oct 14 2004, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE(synkro @ Oct 14 2004, 6:00 PM)
it also doesn't help your argument when you talk about one's grammatical errors.  i can guarantee no member of createblog has perfect grammar.  if you can't diagram the sentence, then it's not correct, and i've seen a whole lot of un-diagrammable sentences out there.  no one has right to talk shit about anyone's grammar unless all your posts are perfectly diagrammable.

those are my thoughts ;p  so...how well can you take criticism?

Criticisms aren't bad when they're constructive, I agree, but we may hold different opinions on what is constructive.

Grammar mistakes are the funkiest kind of criticism on this board because sometimes they're true and needed to be said and sometimes they're just mean and unneccessary. I don't like it when a person doesn't even think about what he/she is writing and expects me/someoneone else to read it. It's ridiculous. I care about opinions and try to read everyone's, but when the person don't care to write in a way others can understand, their opinions are worthless.

Me? I don't care much. It gets funny sometimes and I laugh it off. The only time I care is if a person knows me personally or is intelligent enough to base their critique on something valid.
 
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i admit, i dont take criticism very well if its coming from someone with less experience than me. you can probably figure out who the few people are that i take criticism from.. queentot being one of them, my old hostess, chrissy, most of my hostees on raw-intent, etc...

I guess it's just that... if i know you are less experienced than i am, then it's hard for you to judge what direction i was trying to go in, in terms of design and theme. So when someone criticizes me about something that looks a bit out of the norm; when that was the entire point of the design, i just sort of get aggrivated, because in my mind, thats just sort of ignorant.

criticism that steers the designer away from her actual theme/design is not applicable criticism, in my opinion.

anyways, i agree with queentot. there are different ways to go about criticizing other people... i tend to just get to the point and say it as bluntly as i can, because in my opinion, theres no use dancing around the issue. to my knowledge, i have never purposely insulted anyone's work, but only try to give them suggestions, and point out what could be worked on..

when you post your xanga up in xanga showcase, you have to expect this kind of critique, among others. that's what showcase is. it's not the forum u goto for an ego boost. not everyone is going to agree with everyone else when they say its perfect. no design is ever perfect. there's always something that you can add or work on, and i just try to point out the ones that are most obvious to me.

just try not to take it so personally. it really has nothing to do with my attitude. im just trying to be helpful. you can either take my advice, or ignore it. it's your choice, and i'm not trying to force my opinions on anyone, so just keep that in mind.
 
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post Oct 14 2004, 06:24 PM
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critisims cant be stopped, if u cant take critisism well, then too bad (im not pointing this at anyone...) it helps others get better, and unless u make a rude, stubborn, ignorant comment, then critisism is good.
 
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post Oct 14 2004, 06:26 PM
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yah, trishtot. i think the suggestions you made on xanga showcase were valid. everything just got hyped up when people started mentioning your "attitude" or "reputation" or whatnot. people expect too many applauses these days. criticizm will appear in many different forms, yet they fail to see yours were actually constructive... then again i guess it's just a difference in opinion like what uninspiredfae said:

QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Oct 14 2004, 3:16 PM)
Criticisms aren't bad when they're constructive, I agree, but we may hold different opinions on what is constructive.

yes, people have differences in opinion about what is "constructive", but there are still some clear cut examples out there. i mean it's kind of obvious if the person's just trying to put you down or is actually giving his/her honest opinion on something.

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Grammar mistakes are the funkiest kind of criticism on this board because sometimes they're true and needed to be said and sometimes they're just mean and unneccessary. I don't like it when a person doesn't even think about what he/she is writing and expects me/someoneone else to read it. It's ridiculous. I care about opinions and try to read everyone's, but when the person don't care to write in a way others can understand, their opinions are worthless.


well, i wasn't referring to the comments regarding those wh0 typ3 lykE diS, but those who criticize people's grammar, even though his/her grammar isn't perfect either. for example: anyone who chooses to criticize my reluctance to use proper capitalization. ;x
 
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post Oct 14 2004, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE(synkro @ Oct 14 2004, 6:26 PM)
well, i wasn't referring to the comments regarding those wh0 typ3 lykE diS, but those who criticize people's grammar, even though his/her grammar isn't perfect either. for example: anyone who chooses to criticize my reluctance to use proper capitalization. ;x

Well, I would call that funky and unneccessary. I don't have a problem grammar unless I have a seriously problem of understanding what's being said. I understand you just fine.
 
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post Oct 14 2004, 07:13 PM
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hmm even tho i read this, but i still dont get it... but as i read some ppls post, i still couldnt get what u're guys talking about... but it sounded like a debate to me... mellow.gif
 
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post Oct 14 2004, 07:28 PM
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i admit that i dont take crtisism too well.....especially if i kno more about it than u do,like trish said.there is a boy who is in my art class,and he goes around critisizing EVERYONE's work.so one day i got sick of it,so when he came by me and said something i was like ok,thats ur opinion.in art,we all have different prespectives/ideas so u need 2 back off!!.....he doesnt critisize me anymore lol....
 
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post Oct 14 2004, 11:03 PM
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QUOTE(synkro @ Oct 14 2004, 6:00 PM)
so yah, it's no news that there's a lot of drama going around, especially because people confuse constructive criticism with blatant ignorance. the object of constructive criticism is to better the quality of one's work; that is the only reason why such a form of criticism exists. any other form of criticism or opinions stated without facts/experience/plausible reason behind it is plain ignorance, of which, too often, we are guilty.

there's a lot of unnecessary drama going on, but i know all of us are guilty of being amused by it at some point. it just gets annoying when everyone jumps on the bandwagon hating on a specific someone. if it started out between two people, then it should end between two people. everyone else who joins in on the argument is guilty of the hypocrosy s/he writes about because essentially s/he is just fueling the anger.

people state their opinions in different ways. some people happen to be more blunt, more honest, more "bitchy" as you say, than others. it's really not your problem how they get their points across; you do not need to get involved in the matter. you also have to keep in mind not everyone will approach everything in a happy-go-lucky way.

when it does involve you, you can still choose to ignore whatever cricism was given to you. if you know that person can be harsh in making constructive criticism, then skip his/her comment, for crying out loud ;x. it's also greatly annoying when you change the subject matter to something utterly childish. a mature debate/argument is done without making personal attacks against each other that has nothing to do with what you were arguing about in the first place. if you started out talking about a layout, then end it there. you don't need to go on about the person's "attitude" 'cause it has no relevence whatsoever to the original argument.

it also doesn't help your argument when you talk about one's grammatical errors. i can guarantee no member of createblog has perfect grammar. if you can't diagram the sentence, then it's not correct, and i've seen a whole lot of un-diagrammable sentences out there. no one has right to talk shit about anyone's grammar unless all your posts are perfectly diagrammable.

those are my thoughts ;p so...how well can you take criticism?

Why am I guilty of being amused by it? mellow.gif
I'm not the only one who finds it funny...
but otherwise I agree with you.
 
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post Oct 14 2004, 11:11 PM
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Yeah, starting shit with people isnt cool. It doesnt make you cool, or look cool -.- A lot of people do that.. and its really stupid. We should debate maturely.. I mean you dont see Bush and Kerry correcting each others grammar mistakes =/
 
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post Oct 14 2004, 11:18 PM
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QUOTE(PinkTrash @ Oct 14 2004, 11:11 PM)
I mean you dont see Bush and Kerry correcting each others grammar mistakes =/

That would be funny if they did though! lol
 
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Yeah, I agree... It makes much more sense just to ignore whatever critisizm (not constructive) instead of making it a big deal.

But I admit, it's really hard to ignore it, if someone says something totally uncalled for. pinch.gif
 
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post Oct 15 2004, 12:03 AM
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used to take criticism pretty badly but now im just okay whatever shrugg hahaa.
 
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post Oct 15 2004, 12:06 AM
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yes =] calmm toi, then move on and ignore x]
 
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post Oct 15 2004, 12:12 AM
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hmm i can take criticism pretty well. i usually only criticise back if im pissed or something
 
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QUOTE(angel_roh @ Oct 14 2004, 8:13 PM)
hmm even tho i read this, but i still dont get it... but as i read some ppls post, i still couldnt get what u're guys talking about... but it sounded like a debate to me... mellow.gif

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post Oct 15 2004, 07:12 PM
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I take criticism pretty well. I began receiving constructive criticisms every since I started graphic designing. And it's really helped and tought me a lot.

I don't get pissed of or anything if someone does it straight forwardly. But I do get pissed off when someone says 'It sucks' without even saying why.
 
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post Oct 15 2004, 07:37 PM
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Depends on what the person is criticizing on. If it's my designs, then yeah I can accept that because of their comments, you can improve your graphics. The person might have greater skills than you and by their comments that you might find offensive, it helps you in a way.
 
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post Oct 15 2004, 08:27 PM
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i can handle it pretty well. it's fun to give constructive criticism. that's basically saying "say what you want to them and they can't get mad!" lol.
 
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post Oct 15 2004, 08:46 PM
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i don't take plain criticism well at all. that's why i avoid showing people my work, or flaunting things, because i can't take it when they have something non-complimentary to say about it. i can take constructive criticism fairly well. mellow.gif
 
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Usually, when people constructively criticize me, i'm just like hey, ok, i dont care thanks for the advice ok.

but if theyre like
YO THATS SO UGLAY! or like
ew thats sucky.

then i get mad.
 
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post Oct 15 2004, 09:54 PM
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I don't like criticism.
I also don't like being complimented, congratulated, or cheered for.
 

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