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 Oct 22 2004, 11:01 PM
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 The Secret Hacker.  Group: Member Posts: 1,780 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 18,712  |
Comminusm... well, the debate begins. Its a strange government that is known to b ideal for human and pplz get what they want if they want it. But it ends up corrupt in a way.. China's the most supreme country so far with it, so what u think of it?
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Oct 22 2004, 11:10 PM
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 Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
Communism is too idealistic and ignores the human condition, and therefore it's an all around bad idea.
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Oct 23 2004, 09:09 AM
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it was a good idea gone bad. carl marx did not have in mind the government that is thought to be evil today in mind when he came up with communism, but as she said, "Communism is too idealistic and ignores the human condition, and therefore it's an all around bad idea." it was not intended to be bad, but it doesnt work, and it leads to having dicators and military control like china
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Oct 23 2004, 04:04 PM
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 Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
Of all political systems, Communism is clearly the funniest.
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Oct 24 2004, 02:17 AM
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It works wonderfully on paper, but paper ignores human nature.
Like Robert Owen's socialist hideaway in Britain, or, of course, the Soviet example, communism is sub-par rather than par-excellence. |
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Oct 26 2004, 02:23 AM
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 Discount Sushi Group: Member Posts: 109 Joined: Oct 2004 Member No: 55,999 |
It's just not possible for all people to be equal.
Leaders will lead. |
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Oct 26 2004, 05:50 AM
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Communism is actually not a bad thing, if you think about it. Everyone being equal, sharing, sounds like a Barney episode, huh? Too bad it doesn't work out. People will be greedy, there will be abuse, it won't work.
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Oct 26 2004, 09:25 AM
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Newbie Group: Member Posts: 3 Joined: Oct 2004 Member No: 57,530 |
yup. it's too idealistic. decades ago when china's government allocate food to all chinese, people become very lazy. coz no matter how unproductive they are, they still get the reward/ salary
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Oct 26 2004, 02:49 PM
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Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
QUOTE(kryogenix @ Oct 26 2004, 5:50 AM) Communism is actually not a bad thing, if you think about it. Everyone being equal, sharing, sounds like a Barney episode, huh? Too bad it doesn't work out. People will be greedy, there will be abuse, it won't work. That's not a good thing at all... If I produce something, I have the right to it ... There is no reason I should be forced to share it. COmmunism is as wrong on paper as it is in practice. |
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Oct 26 2004, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Oct 26 2004, 2:49 PM) That's not a good thing at all... If I produce something, I have the right to it ... There is no reason I should be forced to share it. COmmunism is as wrong on paper as it is in practice. there is a reason you shouldd be forced to share it. in theory, humans could not be so possessive. we would not have to all constantly take those views of something being yours and having to share. were it not for human nature, things wolud not have to be so greedy. communism isnt nearly as wrong on paper as in reality because everything should not be so marterialistic and possesive. it could be a truly good idea, but as always, greed gets in the way |
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Oct 26 2004, 03:29 PM
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 WWMD?! - i am from the age of BM 2 Group: Member Posts: 5,308 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 8,848 |
go socialism. *fistpump* everything for the people. everyone for eachother.
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Oct 26 2004, 06:17 PM
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Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
QUOTE(my_papaya @ Oct 26 2004, 3:10 PM) there is a reason you shouldd be forced to share it. in theory, humans could not be so possessive. we would not have to all constantly take those views of something being yours and having to share. were it not for human nature, things wolud not have to be so greedy. communism isnt nearly as wrong on paper as in reality because everything should not be so marterialistic and possesive. it could be a truly good idea, but as always, greed gets in the way It's not about greed, it's about human rights and also privacy. If someone is forced to share everything, then he cannot develop an individual personality. He has NO right to privacy (if your house is collective property, you cannot claim a right to privacy within it), which leads to all sorts of problems. You have an inherent right to things that you create and things that other people voluntarily give you. Communism violates said right and is immoral. |
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Oct 30 2004, 12:44 AM
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yes china does have communism there... but it was such a usless idea they hardly reinforce it any more... have you been china lately?!?!....
there are very rich and very poor people there... if the had upheld communism that wouldnt have happened... comunism is for the poor.... |
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Oct 30 2004, 02:11 PM
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The Secret Hacker. Group: Member Posts: 1,780 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 18,712 |
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Oct 23 2004, 1:04 PM) Of all political systems, Communism is clearly the funniest. thats true.. china is getting to become a better country. i agree wit aznbubz. china has lots of rich AND poor pplz there. chinas gettin better as we speak. |
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Oct 31 2004, 12:31 PM
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haha this debate reminds me of animal farm...........
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Oct 31 2004, 12:42 PM
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 This bitch better work! Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 13,681 Joined: Jul 2004 Member No: 28,095 |
let me think about me this...umm...i don't like it. i like democracy better.
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Oct 31 2004, 01:05 PM
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QUOTE(Frankie_08 @ Oct 31 2004, 12:42 PM) let me think about me this...umm...i don't like it. i like democracy better. we dont have a true democracy. we have a republic, which is a representitive democracy. |
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Nov 1 2004, 12:41 AM
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im under the british monarchy which is the dumbest!
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Nov 1 2004, 02:39 PM
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I love you <33333 Group: Member Posts: 2,928 Joined: Jul 2004 Member No: 30,404 |
i dont like it b/c you have no freedom. i dont like the idea of having pepole telling me what job i have,not being able to vote,and having no say on anything.
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Nov 1 2004, 02:44 PM
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Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
Unbreakable union of freeborn Republics,
Great Russia has welded forever to stand, Created in struggle, by will of the people, United and mighty, our Soviet land! Long live our Soviet motherland, Built by the people's mighty hand, Long live our people, united and free, Strong in a friendship tried by fire, Long may our crimson flag inspire, Shining in glory for all men to see! Through tempests, the sunrays of freedom have cheered us, Along the new path where great Lenin did lead, To a great righteous cause he raised up the people, Inspired us to labor and valorous deed! Long live our Soviet motherland, Built by the people's mighty hand, Long live our people, united and free, Strong in a friendship tried by fire, Long may our crimson flag inspire, Shining in glory for all men to see! Our army was forged in the heat of grim battle, Barbarian invaders we'll swiftly strike down, In combat, the fate of the future is settled, We'll lead on our country to eternal renown! Long live our Soviet motherland, Built by the people's mighty hand, Long live our people, united and free, Strong in a friendship tried by fire, Long may our crimson flag inspire, Shining in glory for all men to see! |
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Nov 4 2004, 10:27 PM
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 hello : ) Group: Official Member Posts: 4,227 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 13,139 |
QUOTE(my_papaya @ Oct 23 2004, 9:09 AM) it was a good idea gone bad. i agree. it sounds ideal & like it would work but then there is corruption & human nature. and even though it might work in China & the country is prospering, it doesn`t mean it will work anywhere else, especially in the US where we are too used to having a lot of freedom... |
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Nov 6 2004, 09:17 PM
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 Deux Ex Machina Group: Member Posts: 41 Joined: Oct 2004 Member No: 56,086 |
Try to learn about Karl Marx's 'Communist Manifesto' before you post. What Marx intended communism to be and what it became are two different things.
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Nov 6 2004, 09:45 PM
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The Secret Hacker. Group: Member Posts: 1,780 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 18,712 |
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Nov 1 2004, 11:44 AM) Unbreakable union of freeborn Republics, Great Russia has welded forever to stand, Created in struggle, by will of the people, United and mighty, our Soviet land! Long live our Soviet motherland, Built by the people's mighty hand, Long live our people, united and free, Strong in a friendship tried by fire, Long may our crimson flag inspire, Shining in glory for all men to see! Through tempests, the sunrays of freedom have cheered us, Along the new path where great Lenin did lead, To a great righteous cause he raised up the people, Inspired us to labor and valorous deed! Long live our Soviet motherland, Built by the people's mighty hand, Long live our people, united and free, Strong in a friendship tried by fire, Long may our crimson flag inspire, Shining in glory for all men to see! Our army was forged in the heat of grim battle, Barbarian invaders we'll swiftly strike down, In combat, the fate of the future is settled, We'll lead on our country to eternal renown! Long live our Soviet motherland, Built by the people's mighty hand, Long live our people, united and free, Strong in a friendship tried by fire, Long may our crimson flag inspire, Shining in glory for all men to see! um.. how does this hav to connect to communism? lol. russia's lucky it aint communist n-e more. |
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Nov 6 2004, 11:44 PM
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 dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
communism is a paper idea. it works on paper.
why should you buy a lawn mower and your neighbor buy a lawnmower when you could buy one and share? the only thing is, it requires everyone to be selfless, giving, and caring. in reality, in communism people don't work hard, because it doesn't help them, it helps other people. state owned machinery ( like tractors) aren't maintianed because no one cares if it breaks down. it's not thier's anyways. so, if everyone were like borg and worked for the good of the hive communism would work. but we're not borg we're human. |
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Nov 7 2004, 12:52 AM
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 lick me Group: Member Posts: 3,044 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 44,013 |
It seems like a good idea, the general idea atleast. I agree that it was a good idea gone bad o.O I dont believe in Supreme communism but left handed governments I do ;)
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