Abortion Options

[*kryogenix*]

let me ask all you anti-freedom people ( pro-life as you call it)

is a death certificate required for abortions?

is a death certificate required for miscarraiges?

is using anti-biotics, cutting your hand, or sneezing murder?

Death certificates aren't required because the baby is not born yet. How is it anti-freedom, when pro-life people are protecting the freedom to life of the unborn child?

[*tweeak*]

let me ask all you anti-freedom people ( pro-life as you call it)

is a death certificate required for abortions?

is a death certificate required for miscarraiges?

is using anti-biotics, cutting your hand, or sneezing murder?

your reasoning is not even valid in that arguement

[*Weird addiction*]

^^haha,very true

[*kryogenix*]

^^haha,very true

Spam. Please don't do it again, otherwise I will increase your warning level.

[ryfitaDF]

well now that the next four years are going to be republican totalitarianism

if the condom breaks you better save your dough
cause your next abortion is in mexico.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Lacey Peterson is her name right? The girl that was well into her pregnancy, murdered by her husband?

Yes, and he's up for double murder now.

Interesting how abortion clinic doctors aren't up on the same charges as they kill fetuses that are well into their 6th and 7th month of conception.

[ComradeRed]

When you abort a fetus as a woman, you are exercizing your right to your body. Whether the fetus is alive or not is NOT relevant -- it does not have a right to your body space. You have the right to remove it from you. That it dies is just a tragic, but not criminal, consequence.

[xTINAA]

your reasoning is not even valid in that arguement

agreed. your reasoning is not valid.
miscarriages, is not the same as an abortion. and abortion is choosing, while a miscarriage is an accident, it just happens. just like sneezing is. it`s a normal function to sneeze and you don`t choose to do it, it just happens when it needs to. Also, using anti-biotics? that is killing something that is BAD for you, that is potentially harmful, etc. and cutting your hand?? how does that pertain to this??

Abortion- should be your choice.. I mean I dont get it, how it should be a law and all. Its the persons' life, let them deal with it, not you. Same with a lot of other laws. But if it were to be a law, its be best if it wass illegal ^^ cause yeah, for the obvious its killing an innocent one. But in cases of rape or anything.. should be allowed. uck sick when you think of it :S

well even if it is rape, do you NEED to get an abortion? Why can`t you have the child and then give it up for adoption if you really don`t want it?....just because they get raped doesn`t mean they should have an abortion.

[ryfitaDF]

if their's one thing Minda has tought me (which their are actually a few) it's that people have the right to their own body and health. if you don't like abortions then don't get one, but respect that people have the right to want abortions (for the time being, anyway). you can dissaprove all you want, but it's wrong of you to try and take away their right to do what they're doing, no matter how immoral it is. i could understand if abortion was hurting somone that you would be against it, cause then i would be too, but who is it really hurting? and will the fetus erally remember being aborted? i can't remeber the first four years of my life. how will they remember the 6 months before they were even born?

[babiedoll03]

well i am pro choice. I think it is anyone's right to decided whether they want the child or not. There are certain circumstances in which someone HAS to have an abortion.. and its not up for other people to decide OR criticise someone for having one. It's like drinking... people do it all the freakin time cause it's "cool"... well its YOUR choice whether you want to drink or not. But it too is wrong! Anyway, its a choice... and people can hate on me all they freakin want.. but you know what?! I know TWO people (one of them being me) who had an abortion. And i would have not made it had I not had the abortion. I'm lucky to be alive. Not only that, but my dad was sent to prison the same week that i got pregnant, so I had no way of going to a hospital to take care of myself or the child so giving it up for adoption would have even been out of the question. So I dont want people to sit here and say "ITS SO WRONG" well, you dont know until you've been in the situation. NOT ONLY THAT... but people who have abortions not only have to deal you freakin people who all you can think about is dissin someone for a situation you dont even know about but it hurts... day in and day out.. and you know the worst part?!?! THERE WAS NOTHING WE COULD HAVE DONE. so no one really has a single right to talk unless they are in the situation!!!

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btw, for those of you who say use a condom.. well, i was on birth control and had a condom... so you decide!

[*kryogenix*]

if their's one thing Minda has tought me (which their are actually a few) it's that people have the right to their own body and health. if you don't like abortions then don't get one, but respect that people have the right to want abortions (for the time being, anyway). you can dissaprove all you want, but it's wrong of you to try and take away their right to do what they're doing, no matter how immoral it is.

I guess you are right. So if I don't like someone, I can kill him. The government shouldn't take away my right to murder, nor should anyone else. If they don't like it, they can just not murder right? you can dissaprove all you want, but it's wrong of you to try and take away their right to do what they're doing, no matter how immoral it is. [/sarcasm]

[inlonelinessidie]

How hard is it to understand that the fetus is a parasite feeding off the mother? So technically it's the mother's right to choose if she would want to remove it or not.

[*kryogenix*]

How hard is it to understand that the fetus is a parasite feeding off the mother? So technically it's the mother's right to choose if she would want to remove it or not.

What about a baby, who is feeding off the mother's breastmilk? Or the baby, using up all of the mom's hard earned money! Let's kill infants! KILL THE PARASITES![/sarcasm]

[*AngelicEyz00*]

if you're so much against abortion, then just don't get one...?? Go convince someone else to not get one... you're not gonna win over the pro-choice people... If someone wants to get an abortion, then so be it, why do u have to but in on it? If it really were so immoral, there would be a law against it, like murder is right?

Is it a crime to masturbate, guys? Oh no, you're killing the sperm you damn murderers... it's still life right? Or how about when girls have their periods... oh no, you're killing the egg! Who the hell are we to say when life begins? PSHH

[sadolakced acid]

it is in fact biologically incorrect that the fetus is a parasite.

in technicallity it is the placenta that is the parasite, even though the fetus does in turn feed off the placenta.

In fact, it's been proven that it's the father's genes that create the placenta, and the mother trys to counter it. if the father's genes are defective, the baby is miscarried.


so now we know the placenta is a parasite. so medically, it should be the mother's right to remove it.

now, let's consider the moral aspect:

who are we to say when life begins? surely not at conception. because the two cells were already alive. but then tanning would be murder because it kills skin cells, which are just as alive.

so is it when the fetus takes a human form?

mind you that the skeleton is almost completely formed ( compared to the state at birth) about 6-8 weeks. but almost nothing else is.

it's like building a house. you have to put up the frame work first, or else everything is just a pile of stuff.

so the fetus is still a shell- not yet alive.

but the cells in the fetus need nutrition- and thus blood. blood isn't shared with the mother, so the baby needs it's own pulse. so, the heart and blood vessels develop early.

but this is just a house with plumbing and sewage... there isn't life here yet.

and so on, with most body organs.

eventually the brain develops, and the fetus begins to move by itself.

so, when does life begin?

and what is our place that we decide when life begins?

[ryfitaDF]

I guess you are right. So if I don't like someone, I can kill him. The government shouldn't take away my right to murder, nor should anyone else. If they don't like it, they can just not murder right? you can dissaprove all you want, but it's wrong of you to try and take away their right to do what they're doing, no matter how immoral it is. [/sarcasm]

i made it clear that abortion does not hurt anyone, unlike murder.

you're not a d!ck [/sarcasm]

[waccoon]

I guess you are right. So if I don't like someone, I can kill him. The government shouldn't take away my right to murder, nor should anyone else. If they don't like it, they can just not murder right? you can dissaprove all you want, but it's wrong of you to try and take away their right to do what they're doing, no matter how immoral it is. [/sarcasm]

The baby hasn't been born yet, hasn't been formed enough to be called a human.
Murder is the death of a human.

[*kryogenix*]

The baby hasn't been born yet, hasn't been formed enough to be called a human.
Murder is the death of a human.

Why is Scott Peterson being charged with a double murder then? The baby wasn't born yet.

The answer is, the baby has unique DNA from the mother, which happens once the sperm combines with the egg.

I hope we all agree that partial birth abortion is wrong.

i made it clear that abortion does not hurt anyone, unlike murder.

you're not a d!ck [/sarcasm]

You mean to say there is no such thing as a painless murder?

[sarcasm]Keep up the flaming, and you won't be disciplined for it[/sarcasm]

[*kryogenix*]

if you're so much against abortion, then just don't get one...?? Go convince someone else to not get one... you're not gonna win over the pro-choice people... If someone wants to get an abortion, then so be it, why do u have to but in on it? If it really were so immoral, there would be a law against it, like murder is right?

Is it a crime to masturbate, guys? Oh no, you're killing the sperm you damn murderers... it's still life right? Or how about when girls have their periods... oh no, you're killing the egg! Who the hell are we to say when life begins? PSHH

Please excuse this double post, I really wanted to address this post.

That's the worst part. It is a crime, yet there is no law against it. Thousands of babies die as a result of abortion.

I fell masturbation is wrong (But that's a different topic, which I really don't want to bring up). However, the sperm has the same DNA as the kid who's jacking off. So it's his own cells, not a human being.

Girls cannot choose to have periods. It's a natural process. And usually, the egg has expired so it's not viable anymore, hence the need to eject it from to body. And it has the same DNA as the girl who is having the period. So it's her own cells, not a human being.

[goofipinay]

kryogenix
i agree wit u on both parts

waccoon
well it is human in a way it is! i mean it also matters when u get abortion..how many months pregnant the person is. so u wouldnt kno how much its developed yet

[sadolakced acid]

well, then how about this:
fertility clinics harvest eggs and sperm and combine them.

resulting in about TWENTY fertilized eggs. only ONE OR TWO are used.

The rest are THROWN AWAY, not even USED for stem cell RESEARCH, because our MORAL president made it ILLEGAL. not even IF the PARENTS agree to let them use them.


do you know how many people go to fertility clinics? that's 19 dead babys per try. many people try more than once.

[iEnigma]

Please excuse this double post, I really wanted to address this post.

That's the worst part. It is a crime, yet there is no law against it. Thousands of babies die as a result of abortion.

I fell masturbation is wrong (But that's a different topic, which I really don't want to bring up). However, the sperm has the same DNA as the kid who's jacking off. So it's his own cells, not a human being.

Girls cannot choose to have periods. It's a natural process. And usually, the egg has expired so it's not viable anymore, hence the need to eject it from to body. And it has the same DNA as the girl who is having the period. So it's her own cells, not a human being.

But it isn't a baby. In the beginning, it is merely dividing cells with 46 chromosomes. How does that make life?

[eversosweet]

well if you're against it just dont do it i guess
but you cant stop anyone from getting an abortion if they really needed/wanted it.

[azn_r4pf4n]

this topic has a lot of confusin in my mind. its a big issue, but rlly, most pplz WHO HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED this kind of stuff dont rlly kare about them unless it rlly hits them somehow.

[sadolakced acid]

that made no sense.