should a christian be a republican? Options

[angelbaby317]

kerry is christian; that's why i get so pissed off when one of my friends, john, tells me he'd vote for bush mostly because he's a strong christian.

yes, there should be separation between church and state. laws for the country should not be made according to the leaders religion. if bush made a reason against gay marriages that wasn't religious, i might consider him.

till then, it's all kerry. *fistpump* personally, he's against these things, but he wouldn't make laws about them according to his religion.

I understand what your saying. Kerry is Christian. But Christians dislike him because he's breaking Christian rules. (Abortion, gay marraige, ect.) Christians don't believe in that. Bush is also Christian. But there is a difference. Kerry is breaking Christian rules and Bush isn't. Thats why Christians don't like Kerry. But I see what you mean.

[sikdragon]

Im not calling you immature for being tolerant. You just fail to grasp the true situation and in effort to find yourselves you come across some propoganda and claim to know what's going on. So it's all mostly a misunderstanding.

[Spirited Away]

Im not calling you immature for being tolerant. You just fail to grasp the true situation and in effort to find yourselves you come across some propoganda and claim to know what's going on. So it's all mostly a misunderstanding.

Even though we're kind of close to being on the same page about Bush, I can't see why Strice is on the propaganda wagon but we're... not? How did that happened? In situations like these, the phase "takes one to know one" and "the pot calling the kettle black" fit well doesn't don't they?

[strice]

the immaturity thing was directed at missthang, but whatever. i don't know what "propaganda" you're talking about. i don't see ads on TV touting the greatness of homosexuality or read articles about how much religion sucks.you really have to stop making things up.

[Spirited Away]

I read just as what other people who must read to increase knowledge. It's very offensive if you think I only read anti-religious books . What's more interesting though is that you think propaganda is limitted to TV.

[sikdragon]

The majority of the population are still believers of some sort and an open attack of their beliefs and philosophies in plain daylight would cause a backlash and dispersion of support among different parties leaving only an enemy of those who tried and an army against them. They must use the cover of night working only where the darkness best suits their agenda. There will be a time when the daylight will no longer matter, for the night will swallow all of whom would have seen their misdeeds. The night of which the sun grants the moon recess to prance about upon it's given surface. The sun watches only the crooked smile of the moon while leaving it's actions unnoticed. Soon the Sun having knowledge of the moon and the minions of the night will shine upon the night ending their recess giving them their just reward as the continuance of sunshine rains upon rewarding those without dialated pupils.

[strice]

I read just as what other people who must read to increase knowledge. It's very offensive if you think I only read anti-religious books . What's more interesting though is that you think propaganda is limitted to TV.

that wasn't directed at you and i didn't say it was limited to TV. notice the "read articles" part. most people don't read articles on TV. dude, i hate this place. i'm gone, again.

[sadolakced acid]

bush and kerry have basically the same beliefs.

there is a key difference.


bush wants to force his beliefs on everyone.

kerry wants to let people choose what thier beliefs are.


" god bless america, but only the christian americans because i'm going to screw al the infidels over by making christian laws and making this a christian nation because that's why our founding fathers made sure religion wasn't in the constitution it was so we could make it a christian country god bless america and read the bible and thank all you christians for voting for me because i'm going to make it a christian country. "

- a bit of a run on, and he never really said that. and never will. he's a bit smarter than that. but that's basically what he means in his stances.

[Spirited Away]

that wasn't directed at you and i didn't say it was limited to TV. notice the "read articles" part. most people don't read articles on TV. dude, i hate this place. i'm gone, again.

Come on, babe. I pick at almost everyone, you know that. Just because we got a kind of history doesn't mean I don't like you. Don't take what I say too personally. You're fun to have around.

[sikdragon]

kerry has no beliefs that have been released to the public. He has pandered to so many audiences there is no way to tell. He needs an autobiography just explaining it all, because right now his stance is with one foot on both sides of the line. Like a serpent waiting for there to be a victor at which he can slither to and wrap himself around sucking the life from him so that he one day should be king of the forest.

[sadolakced acid]

i'm sorry if his stances are too intellegent for some people to understand.


all you have to know is this: he belives one thing, but when asked what he's going to do, he'll say another because he knows it's not right to force your belief upon another.

[sikdragon]

acid: Bush does not force his beliefs upon others. Just because he practices his freedom of religion and sometimes practices what he believes in public or makes statements that identify God does not mean what you're saying it means. noone is forcing anything on anyone except you and your stereotypical prejudices against christians.
Im sorry to say this, but you shouldn't make things up just to support the unsupportable. Kerry has never said that and im pretty sure he doesn't even know that's an issue that divides him and bush.

[Spirited Away]

noone is forcing anything on anyone except you and your stereotypical prejudices against christians.

Mr Acid is just as prejudice towards Christians as your are towards non-Christians.

I just wanted to make that clear so it doesn't look like anyone is trying to be better than his opponent...

[lanbexx]

about the gay issue:
What if you were one of them? think about it. The world hates you because you are different than what they want you to be. The world got their idea from some book. Are you not allowed to express who you are because of a religion that you may or may not believe in? Nowadays, there are even gay ministers. Can you doubt their faith because of their sexual alignment?

Also, how do you know the bible is the truth? Ive been to church, and when i ask the question, they try to avoid it or give dumb answers such as "Because it is." For all we know, some dudes might have just made it up. More likely it was misinterpretation. So if christians cant even explain the book their religion is based upon, how can they be so pompous to try and force their ideals on the country?

[sikdragon]

The country's first colonists supported the bible. It was already here so how is it being forced upon an unwilling country?

Mr Acid is just as prejudice towards Christians as your are towards non-Christians.

I just wanted to make that clear so it doesn't look like anyone is trying to be better than his opponent... 

am i really? hmmm...... i think your tongue is twisting as a serpent. Changing my words to suit your own denial and self indulgence.

about the gay issue:
What if you were one of them? think about it. The world hates you because you are different than what they want you to be. The world got their idea from some book. Are you not allowed to express who you are because of a religion that you may or may not believe in? Nowadays, there are even gay ministers. Can you doubt their faith because of their sexual alignment?

Also, how do you know the bible is the truth? Ive been to church, and when i ask the question, they try to avoid it or give dumb answers such as "Because it is." For all we know, some dudes might have just made it up. More likely it was misinterpretation. So if christians cant even explain the book their religion is based upon, how can they be so pompous to try and force their ideals on the country?

No one who really follows the Bible hates any fagg or lesbian. The Bible teaches to love the sinner hate the sin. Anyone does not abide by that is not really following the bible.

Like Muslims who do not kill the infidel are not following the scripture they claim to.

All hypocrates.

Gay ministers should not be allowed to be ministers why? not just because they are gay, but because it is a practiced sin. Like a practicing thief should not run a cash register. A practicing lack of morals should not teach others about morals.

homosexuality is a choice not a disease or birth defect. a fetish for killing someone is still wrong even if the other person said it was ok. Still a choice not a demand by one's innerbeing, but a whisper from beyond the shadows in an early grave of loose dirt.

[Spirited Away]

am i really? hmmm...... i think your tongue is twisting as a serpent. Changing my words to suit your own denial and self indulgence.

Eh, better a serpent and be outwardly evil, then to be an evil that's claims goodness. While I'm guilty of a slithering tongue, you're guilty of hiding your tongue to trick people.

[sikdragon]

trick people? being open a forward is trickery? defending my beliefs against the critics is trickery? I am many things, but i am not a liar.

You insult my honor and attack my accountablity, and for what?
You're inability to cope with truth has taken you to name calling?

I must've way over estimated you.

[Spirited Away]

trick people? being open a forward is trickery? defending my beliefs against the critics is trickery? I am many things, but i am not a liar.

Yea, like how you didn't lie about being a messenger and then stayed to argue and argue and argue. Messengers don't argue.

You insult my honor and attack my accountablity, and for what?
You're inability to cope with truth has taken you to name calling?

So what were you doing if you weren't insulting MY honor and attacking MY accountibility when you said my "tongue is twisting as a serpent". I guess you, too, are inable to cope with truth and you had to name call people to make you feel better. There, there. I understand, we are the same after all. You're just a little shy in showing your evil, but no body is perfect.

I must've way over estimated you.

Why, I'm absoluely honor that you have overestimated me. I'm a woman, after all, and weak and I am beneath your male greatness.

[sikdragon]

you're accusation was unfounded. A messenger in the debate section argues and defends the message when attacked and when the messenger is to deliver the message to an unknown number of people it may take time.

[sikdragon]

now you accept evil as an inevitability? when did that happen?

[Spirited Away]

you're accusation was unfounded. A messenger in the debate section argues and defends the message when attacked and when the messenger is to deliver the message to an unknown number of people it may take time.

So there are different kinds of messenger? What kinds are there in the Bible?

Defending what you know means you are confident in what you know. However, you don't only defend, you attack. That means you're not just a messenger. You have too much pride in your belief. A good thing, I suppose, but I thought pride is a sin.

now you accept evil as an inevitability? when did that happen?

Since you think I am.

I will answer you in Christianity thread later. Must go to school and finish homework. Ta tah!~~

[sikdragon]

No only one kind, they differ with their situation.

I was just using the simile to describe the fact that you were not getting the true meaning of my words and using it to justify your reasoning behind the way you attack rather than debate, atleast in this situation.

Note:Pride in one's self is a sin. Pride in God's creative power and control and grace is not.

[Spirited Away]

The fact that you say "differ" means that there are different messengers. There are one kind of messenger but they act differently. Thus no messenger is the same. However, their job is to give the message, not to defend it. If they defend their messages, then they are no longer messagers, but defenders.

You misunderstand. I understand your words perfectly and so did Mr. Acid. You were very clear when you said that Mr. Acid holds prejudice but you forgot to mention that you holds prejudice as well, and so do I. It's not surprise that those who have strong belief are prejudice against those who do not believe the same. That's what I meant. I felt that you excluding yourself from prejudice would do no good when the obvious is apparent.

My reasoning was only based on your accusation towards Mr. Acid.

Pride in God is not sin, but pride in believing God is true and what you believe in is true should be sinful. After all, you have pride in yourself that what you believe in is true.

Okay... class time.

[sadolakced acid]

yes mr. acid is prejudiced against christians, in certain aspects.

but i can be. i went to a christian private school, because the public school system sucked where i lived.

i got taught that other religions sucked, that i should belive in jesus, and that other religions sucked.

i am prejudiced against christians in matters of religion. and not all christains, just those who think thier religion is superior.


and this, my friend, was a matter of relgion.

bush and kerry both are christian.


bush forces parts of his christianity upon others.

nationwide school prayer? just one thing he supports.

[Spirited Away]

yes mr. acid

I love how you use my name for you Made me ticklish somehow.