should a christian be a republican? Options

[strice]

yes, christianity only works because it generates a common hatred, which, ironically, is something advocated against in the bible.
morals aren't there because some stupid superpower decided to put them there. humans evolved to work together, and these morals emerged because stealing and killing each other wasnot conducive to a forward thinking society. i don't see how past generations were at all "wiser". yeah, sure, it was awesome when they discrimnated against the chinese during the gold rush. and yeah, preventing interracial marriage? of course we should go back to that because they're sooooo much wiser. thats rubbish. in order to survive we must progress, or we will be choked on our irrational fear of the new.

[sammi rules you]

yes, christianity only works because it generates a common hatred, which, ironically, is something advocated against in the bible.
morals aren't there because some stupid superpower decided to put them there. humans evolved to work together, and these morals emerged because stealing and killing each other wasnot conducive to a forward thinking society. i don't see how past generations were at all "wiser". yeah, sure, it was awesome when they discrimnated against the chinese during the gold rush. and yeah, preventing interracial marriage? of course we should go back to that because they're sooooo much wiser. thats rubbish. in order to survive we must progress, or we will be choked on our irrational fear of the new.

you should be a public speaker. run for president when you get older.

uninspiredfae, i ditto the half of your post i read. because i didn't read all of it. it's much too long.

[sikdragon]

Wow, i dont think anyone could've been that far off base.

So, you seem to be suggesting the rest of us non-Christians to be to common enemy. Do you hear how hateful that sounds? 

Im not suggesting non-christians to be the enemy, nor have i ever.
There is a saying, "hate the sin, love the sinner." Your suggested way of life concludes that you must love the sin and wait who is the sinner? That is how it is whether you realize it or not.

There is not a single viable argument through out your entire post. Just blatant misinterpretation followed by an unwilling and closed mind. I suggest you try again. You are a role model for these other younger kids on here. Try acting like it, instead of just bashing and arguing semantics with those who oppose your views and debate. Good try though.

There is no hint of hatred through out my whole post.

[sammi rules you]

Wow, i dont think anyone could've been that far off base.

Im not suggesting non-christians to be the enemy, nor have i ever.
There is a saying, "hate the sin, love the sinner." Your suggested way of life concludes that you must love the sin and wait who is the sinner? That is how it is whether you realize it or not.

There is not a single viable argument through out your entire post. Just blatant misinterpretation followed by an unwilling and closed mind. I suggest you try again. You are a role model for these other younger kids on here. Try acting like it, instead of just bashing and arguing semantics with those who oppose your views and debate. Good try though.

There is no hint of hatred through out my whole post.

you realize you just told her not to debate in the debate forum, right?

non-christians don't "love the sin". explain to me how that is.

[sikdragon]

no i told her to debate and quit the other stuff. I AM NOT GROUPING ALL NON-CHRISTIANS TOGETHER. Quit twisting my words.

[ComradeRed]

Does the Republican Party AT LARGE support Christian values? Yes.

Does Bush? Certainly not. America's biggest family values association (www.familyrightsassociation.com) endorsed Badnarik. And American Conservative, the most widely read conservative Christian magazine, refuses to endorse Bush.

[sikdragon]

so...? What does that have to with what i said? Ignorance is a dangerous weapon.

[strice]

what i don't understand is how you can cast the founding fathers as ultra right wing maniacs like yourself when they were, in reality, the liberal extremists of their time.

[expoised]

silkdragon...

i agree with some of the things you say... but not the way you say them.

you're making Christians sound unloving, single-minded, and stupid.

please dont. you make valid points, but you don't have to bring people down with the things you say. and even though you point out there's no hatred in all your posts, you've said a lot of things out of... spite...

i'm not going back and reading everything, i've already given my 2 cents about Christians being republicans.

and another point... when i was on the debate team... we actually stayed ON TOPIC.. instead of straying way out there...

[sunissed14127]

i think any religion can be any thing they want. just because it says that in the bible,doesnt mean they cant be a democrat or w/e they want to be.

[*MiSSTHaNG*]

Kerry has said that he is trying to take whats left of the bible out of the schools, laws, etc. he has also not only seemed partial to abortion but to partial birth abortion...did you know that abortion is getting so bad that they are starting to kill premature babies and still entitling it abortion...so...I guess a baby isnt a living thing? hmmm...and the gay and lesbian marriages are against the christian religion( me being in this religion) I oppose it to a point...but I dont have the room to judge those..I just have to love them...but times are getting bad...do we really want kerry in office? yes...he is an awesome arguer...and he seems pretty cool about some stuff...but we need to know that the future of america could be turning slitely into communism in the points of view of christians.

I am going to admit. I am scared right now. I am scared that one day I wont have the freedom to pray...or go to church...or read my bible...even if you dont believe in God...please...dont support someone who may be the beginning of the end of freedom of religion...please dont be.

as far as christians being republicans...for the most part I am a republlican...not always...but in this case...I am completely relying on pres. bush!

[Spirited Away]

Wow, i dont think anyone could've been that far off base.

Am I? If you think I'm off base, then I think you should choose better words to explain your views.

Im not suggesting non-christians to be the enemy, nor have i ever.
There is a saying, "hate the sin, love the sinner." Your suggested way of life concludes that you must love the sin and wait who is the sinner? That is how it is whether you realize it or not.

If that's not what you were suggesting, then who is the "commong enemy" all Christians have?

No, what YOU FAIL to realize in your black and white world is that there are exceptions to sin that can be forgiven if God holds ANY love for mankind. If your God sees things in black and white as you do, then I nothing more to say. However, ALL Christians claim that they cannot fully understand the ways of God, therefore, you cannot claim to know EXACTLY how God feels about any one sin. That would means you know what God thinks and you would be next to perfect.

Hate the sin, but love the sinner? I do not hate the sin if the situation canjustify it. Hatred isn't the way I choose to live life. Love the sinner? I cannot love one who murders and rapes innocents. That is the way of MY life, whether you like it or not. Free will, right?

There is not a single viable argument through out your entire post. Just blatant misinterpretation followed by an unwilling and closed mind. I suggest you try again. You are a role model for these other younger kids on here. Try acting like it, instead of just bashing and arguing semantics with those who oppose your views and debate. Good try though.

Who is more close-minded? One who thinks he knows ALL the answers, or one who thinks she must be open to possibilities to other answers? Oh yes, m'dear, real close minded. I wonder if you know what it means .

There is no hint of hatred through out my whole post.

Once more, if you think that way, then learn to word things better. After all, everyone is sensing some deep bitterness from your posts.

Why do you have a "common enemy" if you do not hate the enemy? If you do not hate the enemy then they wouldn't be called enemy, but friend.

[sammi rules you]

Kerry has said that he is trying to take whats left of the bible out of the schools, laws, etc. he has also not only seemed partial to abortion but to partial birth abortion...did you know that abortion is getting so bad that they are starting to kill premature babies and still entitling it abortion...so...I guess a baby isnt a living thing? hmmm...and the gay and lesbian marriages are against the christian religion( me being in this religion) I oppose it to a point...but I dont have the room to judge those..I just have to love them...but times are getting bad...do we really want kerry in office? yes...he is an awesome arguer...and he seems pretty cool about some stuff...but we need to know that the future of america could be turning slitely into communism in the points of view of christians.

I am going to admit. I am scared right now. I am scared that one day I wont have the freedom to pray...or go to church...or read my bible...even if you dont believe in God...please...dont support someone who may be the beginning of the end of freedom of religion...please dont be.

as far as christians being republicans...for the most part I am a republlican...not always...but in this case...I am completely relying on pres. bush!

how is he bringing an end to the freedom of religion if he takes a certain religion out of public school systems and such? to me, it sounds like that's extending the freedom of religion. the country isn't based on christianity, so..taking it out of laws would be making it easier on other religions.

[sikdragon]

bitterness and spite... these are being confused with frustration. Not with you guys necassarily. None of you know about my life, nor do i expect you to. I get back from a tough day of unfairness and loss and defend my case against people not all of you, but some people who just assume im an ignorant a-hole because of the beliefs i have and their misconceptions of those beliefs. I am open to new ideas. Just because you have failed to present one that makes more sense than mine doesnt make me close-minded. If you have read any of my arguements with comrade red you would have seen on occasion he corrected me and I changed my position. He enlightened me, if you will. There was an actual intellectual back and forth for awhile.

how is he bringing an end to the freedom of religion if he takes a certain religion out of public school systems and such? to me, it sounds like that's extending the freedom of religion. the country isn't based on christianity, so..taking it out of laws would be making it easier on other religions.

easier on other religions?? the one sided singling out and oppression of one religion because of it's roots just so they can group all religions together into one and claim all religion is just fanatic cult groups is discrimination of such a kind that it makes the kkk look loving and accepting of interracial relationships. Yeah that seems a bit harsh but only because we all have be desensitized to such a degree that we don't see it all going on around us. More christians have been persecuted in this century than the rest of the history of their persecution combined. It's starting in this country. People like Kerry and Michael Moore are laying out the blue prints for future generations. In New York it is illegal to display the nativity scene by it's self. The Crescent and the David's star are just fine.

A divided kingdom will not stand, but crumble. For Kerry to be Christian and a part of the party whose opposition to christianity, or any religion for that matter, having any credibility just fits his consistency of inconsistence in his campaign and public lifestyle.

[strice]

sik, it would help if you didn't make statements that are plain untrue.

[sikdragon]

plain untrue??? which one was untrue?

[Spirited Away]

bitterness and spite... these are being confused with frustration. Not with you guys necassarily. None of you know about my life, nor do i expect you to.  I get back from a tough day of unfairness and loss and defend my case against people not all of you, but some people who just assume im an ignorant a-hole because of the beliefs i have and their misconceptions of those beliefs. I am open to new ideas. Just because you have failed to present one that makes more sense than mine doesnt make me close-minded. If you have read any of my arguements with comrade red you would have seen on occasion he corrected me and I changed my position. He enlightened me, if you will. There was an actual intellectual back and forth for awhile.

You mean people assume you're ignorant, just like the way you assume non-Christians are ignorant because we do not agree with you about life/death/God? What goes around, comes around.

Just because you've a firm stand about what you believe in and refuse to believe anything I say doesn't mean that my case doesn't make sense. In fact, many people agree with my case over yours even though I have don't have a firm knowledge of the world. That is, I believe in possibilities, thus I can be convinced, and this is a weakness when I make my arguements because you KNOW that you can convince me if you make sense. Your case will make sense once you practice what you preach. It confuses us when you speak with anger, yet claim that you follow the Bible and that you're only a messenger. As I've said, messengers do not argue. Maybe you're a special messenger? I don't know.

ComeradeRed enlightened me and continues to do so on a timely basis. I don't even need to argue with him to know what make sense and what doesn't.

Your need to prove your belief is the one true one is what drives the rest of us to defend ourselves against your claims. If anyone is attacking, it is the one who claims his belief is the only one that's right.

[razbus]

Kerry has said that he is trying to take whats left of the bible out of the schools, laws, etc. he has also not only seemed partial to abortion but to partial birth abortion...did you know that abortion is getting so bad that they are starting to kill premature babies and still entitling it abortion...so...I guess a baby isnt a living thing? hmmm...and the gay and lesbian marriages are against the christian religion( me being in this religion) I oppose it to a point...but I dont have the room to judge those..I just have to love them...but times are getting bad...do we really want kerry in office? yes...he is an awesome arguer...and he seems pretty cool about some stuff...but we need to know that the future of america could be turning slitely into communism in the points of view of christians.

I am going to admit. I am scared right now. I am scared that one day I wont have the freedom to pray...or go to church...or read my bible...even if you dont believe in God...please...dont support someone who may be the beginning of the end of freedom of religion...please dont be.

as far as christians being republicans...for the most part I am a republlican...not always...but in this case...I am completely relying on pres. bush!

What the hell are you talking about?

Do you honestly think that if kerry is elected that the world will f*cking explode and dogs will running around eating people and christianity will die?!!!??!!!

[razbus]

Religion is what made this country great. It's homosexuals and the like that are destroying it. Perversness should not be made legal just because you have beef with your creator. Got questions about what i just said PM, IM, or Email about it. This thread is dead to me.

I cant believe you actually said those words. What kind of ignorant, egotistical a-hole are you? Homosexuals are destroying the country? You know, i can just see you now running around in your white hood and overalls. You dont know anything about anything, and its probly not your fault. It was probly passed down from your father, and his father, and so on.

[sammi rules you]

easier on other religions?? the one sided singling out and oppression of one religion because of it's roots just so they can group all religions together into one and claim all religion is just fanatic cult groups is discrimination of such a kind that it makes the kkk look loving and accepting of interracial relationships. Yeah that seems a bit harsh but only because we all have be desensitized to such a degree that we don't see it all going on around us. More christians have been persecuted in this century than the rest of the history of their persecution combined. It's starting in this country. People like Kerry and Michael Moore are laying out the blue prints for future generations. In New York it is illegal to display the nativity scene by it's self. The Crescent and the David's star are just fine.

A divided kingdom will not stand, but crumble. For Kerry to be Christian and a part of the party whose opposition to christianity, or any religion for that matter, having any credibility just fits his consistency of inconsistence in his campaign and public lifestyle.

wth? kerry isn't trying to kill christianity! he IS christian for pete's sake! all he's doing is taking it out of public places in which other religions practice. people don't need to be taught and practice christianity when they're not christian.

the persecution thing is completely untrue. this century? hmm let's see this century's been like what, 4 years? 9/11 happened in this century. i believe many many mulisms and islamics were persecuted for that. i have yet to hear of a mass persecution of christians..want me to mention, oh maybe, the HOLOCAUST? christians are not the only ones persecuted, honey.

democratics are not opposed to christianity. where you got that i have no idea.

[Saeglopur]

Religion is what made this country great. It's homosexuals and the like that are destroying it. Perversness should not be made legal just because you have beef with your creator. Got questions about what i just said PM, IM, or Email about it. This thread is dead to me. 

I cant believe you actually said those words. What kind of ignorant, egotistical a-hole are you? Homosexuals are destroying the country? You know, i can just see you now running around in your white hood and overalls. You dont know anything about anything, and its probly not your fault. It was probly passed down from your father, and his father, and so on.

Crap, sikdragon, crap. Homosexuality is damaging the country? How? How are they damaging the country? Are they not providing jobs for anyone? Are they the ones who killed millions? How can you make a judgement with these innocent people? Just because you think that what they choose to be or what they are is wrong does not mean they are destroying our country. You have no idea about homosexuality.

[Spirited Away]

easier on other religions?? the one sided singling out and oppression of one religion because of it's roots just so they can group all religions together into one and claim all religion is just fanatic cult groups is discrimination of such a kind that it makes the kkk look loving and accepting of interracial relationships. Yeah that seems a bit harsh but only because we all have be desensitized to such a degree that we don't see it all going on around us. More christians have been persecuted in this century than the rest of the history of their persecution combined. It's starting in this country.

Uh, yea. Where are you getting your statistics that Christians are persecuted more in this century than the rest of history? Like the mod said, this century is barely 4 years old.

This is what I mean when you give unproved claims. Sunday school sessions are teaching you one side of history and you are happy with that. Now then, look in the real world and learn about how Christians persecuted "heathens" and/or "pagans", and/or " the wicked", and/or "devil worshipers", and/or "idol worshipers" since its formation. And here I thought you said you make sense!

Stop spitting out nonesense! Other religious groups have been persecuted in ways that Christians will ever understand.

Anyway, according to you, Christians are being persecuted yet you are persecuting homosexuals with your blatant disrespect for it... once more, what goes around comes around.

[*MiSSTHaNG*]

I think that some of you have no clue what is going on. Someone once said that if you refuse to learn about history you will be forced to repeat it. You think you know what is going on but you dont! Lets talk about homosecual relationships. Why is it that you have to go for a person of the same gender? Most people will tell you that other sexes do not "have" what they "need". I think this is disgusting and perverted.
we are living in a sick world. Sex has become a normal everyday thing. That is disgusting. Morally, religiously, and culturally marriage has always been expected before having sex.
Girls...wouldnt you like to look at yourself and think that money wise that you are priceless. well...these days...we are worth nothing. we are played around with and thrown to the curb. Kerry does nothing but help that to become more widely spread. I am sooo sad to see that most of you are only like 14 and you think you know how things are suppose to be. I learned these common sense morals when I was 2! It is time you guys grew up! as far as religion goes...I will never force my religion on anybody...but I think that kerry was not going for the same moral concepts that I have believed in...therefore...I did not cheer him on. and bush has won...rightfully so.

[strice]

plain untrue??? which one was untrue?

need i say more?



thang, it is a little more than ironic that you are calling us immature for being tolerant.

[pandamonium]

TO ME in my opinion i dont they they should be christian cause if RELGION & GOVERNMENT bind together we would have so many problems. like

GAY MARRIAGES
WOMEN GETTING THE RIGHT TO HAVE AN ABORTION
etc.....

those two cannot pair up together ... so thats why i dont believe it should happen.