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[razbus]

I'm a moral person my dear, but I've never once considered myself to be Christian. Without religion, ONLY morality upholds what is right in society. Without religon AND morals, there's no point in marriage--what homosexuals are fighting for--AT ALL.

I'm currently against homosexual marriages. But like I've said MANY times in these debates, changes this drastic need time for everyone to adjust. Morally minded people do not like to see people in love not being able to married, but it takes time to adjust to the fact that those people are of the same sex. Though you may think that this is backward way of thinking, that is how the human mind works. Period. Change needs time.

1. Morality IS derived from religion. The term "moralality" is different that the term "ethics". I don't have morals, but i do have ethics.

2. It takes time to adjust? Adjust to what? People felt the same way about inter-racial marraiges only a few decades ago. If people still had your attitude, inter-racial marriage would be illegal. Just to give people... "time to adjust".

He many not your President, but he's mine, and so was Clinton and so were Presidents that preceeded him.

Are you forced to pray to the Christian God in school? Are you forced to say the pledge? It has been a while since I'm in educational facilities that have pledges in the mornings, but I remember NOT being forced to cite it, ever. People will look you weird if you do not, but since when do you HAVE to say "under God"? Since when do you have to cite the WHOLE enchilada? Is someone going to throw you in jail for not saying "under God"? If they do, let me know and I and many others will help raise money for a lawyer for you.

3. I liked clinton. He was the best thing for this country. "Scandals" aside.

4. I have been FORCED to say the complete and entire pledge by several teachers. And it's not the fact that its the "Christian God" as you said, it's the fact that its ANY god. This country was founded in order to avoid religious constraints and prossecutions, and here we are imitating the very demons that we fought to get away from.

Uh, yea. That's shows how much you know about exchange rates. 50 cents to them means more than it means to us. Their minimun wage law is different than ours. But how are you so sure that they get paid 50 cents an hour by American businesses?

But to move on to my point:


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The Labor Code of 1992 states that children may only be employed when they have finished their compulsory education, which effectively sets the minimum age for work at 16 years.[2158] However, children who are at least 14 years old are permitted to work if the work does not interfere with schooling or if they are exempt from attending school.[2159] All children under age 16 must obtain the consent of a legal guardian before entering into an employment contract.



The above is quoted from the Bureau of International labor affairs about Hungary's child labor laws. That should give you peace of mind about child labor there.

There are of course, children who works as beggars and in discreet sweatshops (if there are any), but doesn't that happen in every country?

Do you think that outsourcing is not regulated to ensure fairness in payment?

5. I was only using Hungary as an example smart ass. And the fact that companies like ford are sending jobs to mexico to save a buck or two is outragious. Of course a dollar there is worth more than here, but the fact is, that most countries dont even have minimum wage laws. And u.s. companies are exploiting that.

Is that how you debate? By saying what others will say "excuses"? Shows how mature you are.

Please do not assume to know my level of maturity, or anything about me for that matter. You will have to excuse my use of the word "excuse". I am very frustrated will peoples unwillingness to change, and learn. But, anyway... thanks for your excuses uninspiredfae.

[Spirited Away]

1. Morality IS derived from religion. The term "moralality" is different that the term "ethics". I don't have morals, but i do have ethics.

2. It takes time to adjust? Adjust to what? People felt the same way about inter-racial marraiges only a few decades ago. If people still had your attitude, inter-racial marriage would be illegal. Just to give people... "time to adjust".

So, you're saying that without religion, there isn't morality? What came first? Religion or morality?

HAHAHAH, this basically messes up your whole religion and homosexuality arguement. After all, morality and religion are one, therefore, if religion disagree with homosexuality, morality would also. That means, homosexuals are immoral simply because they're not doing the moral thing.

Religion is supposed to be moral, but moral doesn't have to be religion.

With that line of arguement, I wholeheartedly disagree. There are very moral minded people who have no problem with homosexuality.

You're confusing yourself with structured definitions. Think about it, what is ethics if it's not doing the right thing? Doing the right thing means you're moral. However, doing the right thing doesn't necessarily mean you're religious, now does it? They do not mean the same thing, child.

Hmm, if people still have my attitude? Are you going to be a cry baby in this debate? If not, then keep the personal attack level down and duke it out with real skills.

Anyway, let me ask you, did Black people win their freedom over night? No, it took years of work and many lives lost. Did interracial marriage received warm welcoming? No, it took them struggles to prove their legitimacy in society.

No, it isn't fair that these groups must fight for what should be naturally accepted in society, but that's how life works. Period. Do you mean to say to me that you expected problem solved for you in life? Do you expect your freedom to be given to you on a silver plater? Did our Founding Fathers gained freedom by just complaining or did they fought for it?

Since you began the personal attacks, I will entertain myself in turn: you do not understand the philosophy of the mind, I can understand that. Many youths think that everything should be freely given and forget that things that they have today were fought and won with hardword and blood of those before them. That's understandable when one wishes to remain ignorant, but it's not understandable for someone who thinks he/she knows all to rant and rave without understanding how life works.

And it may be so surprising to you to know that change needs time, but that's just how life works.

4. I have been FORCED to say the complete and entire pledge by several teachers. And it's not the fact that its the "Christian God" as you said, it's the fact that its ANY god. This country was founded in order to avoid religious constraints and prossecutions, and here we are imitating the very demons that we fought to get away from.

What is your religion? You can simply address this to your counselor or VP and let them know that saying "under God" is considered to be against what you believe in. You can very much bring a lawsuit to the school if your teachers persist that you say "under God" when it is against your religion to say so.

Know that our many of our founding fathers were NOT Christians. There were many Deists. Indeed ONE OF THE MANY REASONS this country was founded was to escape religious persecutions, but who will throw you in jail here for praying to the Hindu gods in school? Who here will throw you in jail for praying to Allah? You think you're persecuted? You're far from it.

5. I was only using Hungary as an example smart ass. And the fact that companies like ford are sending jobs to mexico to save a buck or two is outragious. Of course a dollar there is worth more than here, but the fact is, that most countries dont even have minimum wage laws. And u.s. companies are exploiting that.

Use a better example, dumb ass. How is it outrages when Ford's competitors, ie Toyota and Honda, can minimize their cost much easier than Ford? I can see that you've never taken an economics course in your life.

Let me try to explain this as briefly, and simply as I can:

You have a SMALL market for cars made only by Ford, Toyota, and Honda. Cars from Toyota and Honda are generally cheaper to make, no contest there. The only way to STAY in this market is to maximize profit by minimizing cost, that is, cost of production. Why?

Because consumers, you and I, like inexpensive, quality cars. Ford cannot sale their cars for less than what it cost them to produce it. Therefore they find new ways to lower cost of production to be able to compete with low prices that Toyota and Honda are offering. That means, they will export manufacturing jobs to places that will not demand high wages.

That's called strategy. As far as the economy is concerned, not only does exporting jobs lowers their cost of production, it also strengthen business ties with the other countries. That, grasshopper, is what we call globalization.

Please do not assume to know my level of maturity, or anything about me for that matter. You will have to excuse my use of the word "excuse". I am very frustrated will peoples unwillingness to change, and learn. But, anyway... thanks for your excuses uninspiredfae.

I know your level of maturity by way of how you express yourself with such anger without looking at the bigger picture. You need not to make excuses of your own for your immaturity because it won't work until you can accept other people for who they are--slow to change.

It's funny how you desperately want people to understand homosexuality, yet you fail to understand people in return. You're running in a circle by your own making. You, yourself, are "unwilling" to change your opinions, yet you like to judge others about their unwillingness. Talk about unadulterated hypocrisy.

[razbus]

... I'll address this later. I have better things to do.

[Spirited Away]

Uh, yea, sure. If you have better things to do, then why get to it at all?

[*kryogenix*]

fine u want facts:

what i was saying about him being racist: Has he done anything for the black,hispanic,asian,and other communities? no! and in my local newspaper,it said this about immigration:"Favors a new temporary worker program to match willing workers with willing U.S. employers when no Americans can be found to fill the jobs.The program would be open to aliens currently employed in the United States." that is going to cut down jobs for immigrants. Immigrants have families they need to support too!

And what i mean about him killing our country: He has turned all countries against us,excepy the saudi's. and did you know that bush sold 7% of the USA to the saudi's? so if they get pissed at us,they will most likely use that 7% of the country against us,because they can do whatever they want with it.he has screwed us over,and if Bush pissed any country off,they could come over here and start killing innocent people with a snap of a finger.


And if you need more,i can go on about Bush all day long.

Why should he? Are you saying those races are more important? I'm asian, and I don't think that I should be getting any special treatment. We are all Americans, we are all equal, NO ONE should be getting any special treatment because of their race. Why can't immigrants take advantage of this program as well.

Your second paragraph is a lie. All countries? Have you forgotten the coalition of the willing? The countries that like us far outnumber those who hate us. Cite your sources if this isn't a lie.

Go ahead, but don't try to pass lies as facts.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Kerry wins the big states on the coasts where voters are normally swayed by constant visits and political ads.

Where did Bush win states (besides the coasts)?

Bush won basically every state in the middle of the country, and many on the east coast.

Many of which never saw any political figure, and decided on their own.

[xTINAA]

i`m not sad nor angry or anything. in fact i`m happy that bush won. i would type all the reasons why but i`ll do that at a later time, i`m much too lazy to type it all. plus i`m getting pretty annoyed with all the same talk going on about the election. it`s over people, Bush won. I mean, i understand that you Kerry supporters are pissed and still want to talk about it, but just stop. it`s been going on for too long.

[jnukes]

i'm pretty pissed..

from eminem's song "mosh"... what he says is pretty true.. and what i saw from tha video. that wall with all tha pictures and tha newspaper clip things.. like 'BUSH KNEW ABOUT 9/11'. and i just thought about it. how come Bush didnt protect us when he knew about it? imagine what would happen if another attack happened.. and it was unexpected?

[sunissed14127]

Why should he? Are you saying those races are more important? I'm asian, and I don't think that I should be getting any special treatment. We are all Americans, we are all equal, NO ONE should be getting any special treatment because of their race. Why can't immigrants take advantage of this program as well.

Your second paragraph is a lie. All countries? Have you forgotten the coalition of the willing? The countries that like us far outnumber those who hate us. Cite your sources if this isn't a lie.

Go ahead, but don't try to pass lies as facts.

I'm not passing lies as facts. its the truth. just think about it: how many contries do you know of that truly like Bush and have helped our our county/him? not very many.And i wasnt saying that other races are more important or deserve special treatment,I'm saying that he hasnt done anything for those races,or helped them And we are all entitled to our opinions,so u dont have to be rude.

[divinity_star]

I am glad that Bush got re-elected. Also glad that Measure 36 here in Oregon passed. Now a man and woman define marriage. I hate talking about this kind of stuff in school because people act so ignorant when you give your opinion. Also people take it on a personal level like you just killed their dog or something...Why are people so crazy?

Edit: Oh and please tell me you people don't take things for face value and believe everything you hear. I hope you watch FOX and not CNN at least they put it in the middle and don't put most of everything in Lefty's Favor.

[Spirited Away]

from eminem's song "mosh"... what he says is pretty true.. and what i saw from tha video. that wall with all tha pictures and tha newspaper clip things.. like 'BUSH KNEW ABOUT 9/11'. and i just thought about it. how come Bush didnt protect us when he knew about it? imagine what would happen if another attack happened.. and it was unexpected?

So, how do you think Eminem knows that Bush knew about 9/11 (prior to its occurrence)? Come on, are you going to believe Eminem just like that and not figure out things on your own???

[sunissed14127]

^ i think that was eminem's opinion on bush.And i think eminem made a pretty good point in the song.

[ryfitaDF]

bush did know about 9/11, though. he didn't act upon it because the document's title about it was too vague ("osama bin laden plans to attack in U.S." or somthing along those lines).

and, yes, my source is fahrenheit 9-11. i know michael moore tells half truths, but there was actual footage of Conelisa (sp?) Rice prooving that they knew about it. you can't make up actual footage.

[inlonelinessidie]

bush did know about 9/11, though. he didn't act upon it because the document's title about it was too vague ("osama bin laden plans to attack in U.S." or somthing along those lines).

and, yes, my source is fahrenheit 9-11. i know michael moore tells half truths, but there was actual footage of Conelisa (sp?) Rice prooving that they knew about it. you can't make up actual footage.

Your source might be Fahrenheit 9/11 but I also have news sources to be it up too. All taken from here :

For months after the attacks, Bush administration officials maintained there was no indication terrorists were considering suicide hijackings. But the report said the FAA's Office of Civil Aviation Security officially considered such a possibility as early as March 1998.

The panel's finding follows earlier disclosure of a 1999 report prepared for the National Intelligence Council that warned of suicide hijackings.

The commission report acknowledged there was no specific intelligence indicating suicide hijackings would occur but said the FAA still had a responsibility to protect the flying public against such a threat.

On Monday, the first day of a two-day public hearing, the commission said U.S. authorities missed some obvious signs that might have prevented some of the September 11 hijackers from entering the country.

Government officials have said the 19 hijackers entered the country legally, but the panel said its investigation found at least two and as many as eight had fraudulent visas. The commission also found examples in which U.S. officials had contact with the hijackers but failed to adequately investigate suspicious behavior.

And Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, believed to be the mastermind of the September 11 attacks, exploited the fact that customs officers did not routinely collect fingerprints to obtain a visa, even though federal authorities in New York indicted him in 1996 for his role in earlier terrorist plots. He never entered the country and was apprehended after the attacks.

[*kryogenix*]

I'm not passing lies as facts. its the truth. just think about it: how many contries do you know of that truly like Bush and have helped our our county/him? not very many.

Geez. You just don't get it do you.

There are plenty of countries that support the US. Here's the coalition of the willing:

Full list of coalition countries:

Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan.

I'll leave the counting to you.

And i wasnt saying that other races are more important or deserve special treatment,I'm saying that he hasnt done anything for those races,or helped them And we are all entitled to our opinions,so u dont have to be rude.

HAHAHAHA! You aren't stating an opinion. That is not an opinion, that is a pure lie. Calling him racist is a lie.

  i'm pretty pissed..

from eminem's song "mosh"... what he says is pretty true.. and what i saw from tha video. that wall with all tha pictures and tha newspaper clip things.. like 'BUSH KNEW ABOUT 9/11'. and i just thought about it. how come Bush didnt protect us when he knew about it? imagine what would happen if another attack happened.. and it was unexpected?

WOW! You trust the words of a rapper and take them as fact? Give me a break. I'm embarassed to be part of the youth of America if I have to be grouped with some of you guys.

[Spirited Away]

For months after the attacks, Bush administration officials maintained there was no indication terrorists were considering suicide hijackings. But the report said the FAA's Office of Civil Aviation Security officially considered such a possibility as early as March 1998.

The panel's finding follows earlier disclosure of a 1999 report prepared for the National Intelligence Council that warned of suicide hijackings.

The commission report acknowledged there was no specific intelligence indicating suicide hijackings would occur but said the FAA still had a responsibility to protect the flying public against such a threat.

Bush wasn't President until 2000.

The reports were in 1998/1999, which obviously falls under Clinton's watchful eyes. I wonder then, why do people not expected Clinton to do something sooner and Bush gets all the blame?

[sadolakced acid]

because clinton is already gone, and there's no way anything he does could possible get americans killed, like say DECLARING WAR ON A COUNRTY AND GETTING STUCK IN IT FOR YEARS.

i'm sorry... but here's how i see it...

let's use an analogy here. the united states is a person sitting by a fire, the fire is the terrorists. september 11th was like a spark coming out and setting your cloths on fire. so, after stopping, dropping, and rolling, what does our president who makes strong decisions do? he reaches his hand into the fire, wraps his hand around the wood, and squeezes it.

sure, that'd put out the fire, eventually.

or you could cut off it's oxygen, or move a bit farther from the fire, or both.

what he should have done, instead of gone off attacking other islamic countries (providing a reason for people to hate america and thus blow themselves up in our faces) was tighten security here, at home.


and yes, the fact that it was a supreme court decision that put him in office for his first term doesn't help.

[Spirited Away]

because clinton is already gone, and there's no way anything he does could possible get americans killed, like say DECLARING WAR ON A COUNRTY AND GETTING STUCK IN IT FOR YEARS.

So how come people can say that it's all Bush's faut, when Clinton actually did nothing about the notices and passed the problems on to Bush? The only thing I'm addressing is how some people say that it's all Bush's fault 9/11 happened and that he knew it was going to happen. Well, if we say that Bush knew it was going to happen, we can fairly say that Clinton knew what was to come as well and ignored it because he had to deal with his scandal. Fair is fair right?

[pandamonium]

A bright future of losing more jobs 


That's ^^ the only thing I want to address for now.

Losing more jobs? To be more specific, I think you mean outsourcing, i.e off-shoring. Can you explain to me why you understand this to be a bad thing?

OUT SOURCING basically takes jobs and gives jobs to other people in other countries ... dont tell anyone how that is bad cause outsourcing is basically stealing peoples jobs... and the people they give it to already have college degrees and they can do way better than answering some stupid telephone. There are millions of families that cant support their families cause their jobs have been stolen and they can do nothing else cuase they have no college degrees. how immoral do you think is that.

Please do not assume to know my level of maturity, or anything about me for that matter. You will have to excuse my use of the word "excuse". I am very frustrated will peoples unwillingness to change, and learn. But, anyway... thanks for your excuses uninspiredfae.

preach on !!!

So, how do you think Eminem knows that Bush knew about 9/11 (prior to its occurrence)? Come on, are you going to believe Eminem just like that and not figure out things on your own??? 

 
  i'm pretty pissed..

from eminem's song "mosh"... what he says is pretty true.. and what i saw from tha video. that wall with all tha pictures and tha newspaper clip things.. like 'BUSH KNEW ABOUT 9/11'. and i just thought about it. how come Bush didnt protect us when he knew about it? imagine what would happen if another attack happened.. and it was unexpected?



WOW! You trust the words of a rapper and take them as fact? Give me a break. I'm embarassed to be part of the youth of America if I have to be grouped with some of you guys.

HOW ARE YOU GUNNA STOMP ON A 14 year old for voicing his thoughts ... you must be really immature to do that? he probably doesnt like bush ... saying something about a song doesnt mean that you should look up all the facts before you listen to it... what dont tell me that you look up what the lyrics mean before you hear a song?? Let him say what he wants to say. i mean seriously he is just "STATING HIS OPINION" remember that ... you must of remembered from an old TOPIC...hmmmmmm maybe hilary clinton would help.

um, yeah? im still undecided. its getting a bit patheric actually, but if they "took half of what kerry say and half of what bush says and put them together, they would be the perfect president" as someone or other said

that could be a great idea lol.



AND THE WHOLE THING WITH RELIGION & GOVERNMENT
bush does mix it together which is horrible cause it creates madd chaos in the world you can never mix those two together and in presidency bush is somehow doing it.

it really pisses me off with gay marriages... you are born gay you cant prevent that.... what about about being straight... do you choose to be straight NO f**kERS you are born that way... thats what i thought. why dont we just stick a dildo up bush's ass and call it a day.

THE ONLY REASON BUSH WON was because most (not all) of the southern states and the mid western states voted for him... the people who post confederate flags on their windows.. the ones who like war. The people with rifles who are taught to not like homosexuals.

and the only reason i think its alright that bush won is because we are in the middle of a war... and it would be unfair and not right if we changed presidents during war.

[sadolakced acid]

i have the unfortunacy to live in a red state. alabama

these are the best reasons that bush supporters have given me for why bush is better:

- he's consistent and doesn't waver ( yea, consistently wrong)
- kerry's a P**sy ( GWB was a male cheerleader at yale)
- he's smart ( ~1200 on his SATs? i know 7th graders who beat him. )
- he's religious (you call him Mr. president instead of priest, father, decon, etc. for a reason.
- he has morality ( he skipped out on the alabama national guard. seriously. there is a 30,000 dollar reward out there to anyone who can prove he served his time in alabama. there were 600 people in his unit. not one has stepped forward. )

did i mention that a popular window sticker for cars is a confederat flag, there's a kid at my school who belives the civil war is still going on, that they just have a ceasefire and will start fighting again, and some kid came to school wearing a KKK hood and beat up a black kid?

you got to love alamaba.

(note: only 60 percent of people here are pro-bush, and we do have requlare people. )

[ComradeRed]

Just for the record, the SAT has changed a lot since the 70s. A 1200 then would probably be the equivalent of a 1350-1400 today. Not the best score, but certainly very respectable.

[sadolakced acid]

the SAT scores on a precentile ranking.

it doesn't matter how much the SAT changed.

about %40 of the people taking the SAT the year bush did beat him at it.

but yes, it is a respectable score.

bill clinton= 1000

al gore= 1300

john kerry= 1100

all these scores cannot be verified ( they're what the person said) because SAT scores are not public.

but personally, i'd rather have someone who got in the high 1400s at the least.

[azn_r4pf4n]

I am glad that Bush got re-elected. Also glad that Measure 36 here in Oregon passed. Now a man and woman define marriage. I hate talking about this kind of stuff in school because people act so ignorant when you give your opinion. Also people take it on a personal level like you just killed their dog or something...Why are people so crazy?

Thats rlly a big issue in cali. defining marriage. this country is run by a democracy, not religion, there is a seperation between church and state, but for some reason, it's bein 4gotten at times.

bill clinton= 1000

al gore= 1300

john kerry= 1100

all these scores cannot be verified ( they're what the person said) because SAT scores are not public.

ahahaha. lol

i'm pretty pissed..

from eminem's song "mosh"... what he says is pretty true.. and what i saw from tha video. that wall with all tha pictures and tha newspaper clip things.. like 'BUSH KNEW ABOUT 9/11'. and i just thought about it. how come Bush didnt protect us when he knew about it? imagine what would happen if another attack happened.. and it was unexpected?

i don rlly kno how u believe its "true," but newspaper clip things???? what the, i barely read them on the music video, and u couldn't see them that well, how would u believe that? RESEARCHHH! apparently, if Bush knew about 9/11, why would the whole country have a whole deficit the country has to deal with? did he even plan to keep 9/11 a secret or even kno about it?

FACTS: We don't kno if he actually "knew about 9-11," cuz we can't get into his brain. Eminem's music video Mosh had put a lot of good points, but Osama Bin Laden as a fake government conspiracy in the music video is obviously fake.

Eminem was putting his own opinion and what he thinks on the music video about Bush.

Kerry wins the big states on the coasts where voters are normally swayed by constant visits and political ads.

Where did Bush win states (besides the coasts)?

Bush won basically every state in the middle of the country, and many on the east coast.

Many of which never saw any political figure, and decided on their own.

Kerry won the west, the northeast, NEW ENGLAND, and New York. Kerry hecka won California cuz most of the costal cities of Cali r very PRO-KERRY.

Bush won the midwest and the south, he won those somehow cuz those were the states that were confused and Bush came and campaigned.

AND THE WHOLE THING WITH RELIGION & GOVERNMENT
bush does mix it together which is horrible cause it creates madd chaos in the world you can never mix those two together and in presidency bush is somehow doing it.

that is true. as i said b4, the seperation of church and state is gettin mixed. yeahh, bush is mixin it up.

THE ONLY REASON BUSH WON was because most (not all) of the southern states and the mid western states voted for him... the people who post confederate flags on their windows.. the ones who like war. The people with rifles who are taught to not like homosexuals.

Thats a rlly big possibility for the reasons. 2/3 of America (on a poll) would say yes to have an amendment to ban gay marriage. another reason: RICH PPLZZZ. the rich dominate the hills up in cali as the pro-kerry pplz r in the coastal cities of cali, therefore the rich voted for him 2. but the lower class is gettin rlly bigger.

My Opinion: Kerry all the way. bush mixes the rule between the seperation of church and state, bush never found weapons of mass destruction, and now iraq is worser than when sadaam ruled. kerry promised to roll back the tax cuts Bush did on the wealthy, and help have affordable healthcare by makin sure that when somebody of a company has a problem with his/her health bills, the government and the company will work together to help pay for it. Kerry plans to make sure our country is like a democracy unlike Bush who mixes the seperation of church and state together.

*whew* long post

[Spirited Away]

OUT SOURCING basically takes jobs and gives jobs to other people in other countries ... dont tell anyone how that is bad cause outsourcing is basically stealing peoples jobs... and the people they give it to already have college degrees and they can do way better than answering some stupid telephone. There are millions of families that cant support their families cause their jobs have been stolen and they can do nothing else cuase they have no college degrees. how immoral do you think is that.

Before your aid/girlfriend/sister/lover/lap dog throw a hissy-fit at me like she did with the other incident, let me tell you that I always return in kind. So, that should explain the following comments. Know that it's not in my character to be unkind, but since you want to pick on me... hehehe, pick on me all you want but expect me to retaliate.

Dear boy, for one who claims he reads everyone's posts, you sure proved yourself stupid when you commented on me without reading the reply I gave after that in another post. I don't want to sound vain but do read what I said, it will serve to better educate you on outsourcing. Though, I think I should begin with the basics because you don't seem to know the fundamental concept that lies behind it.

If you don't understand some words in the following paragraphs, just google it my dear grasshopper.

Lets begin with something simple like laissez faire. It's a very famous French-adapted term that refers to letting businesses do what they want. In our economy we do not have a pure laissez faire system since the government interferes with tax and quotas and policies, whatnot. However, that does mean that we have many freedoms to do business.

Now then, in your perfect COMMUNISTIC world, it's immoral to take jobs away to give to others, but in the normal business world, it's very normal to do away with jobs when there is competition and benefit in comparative advantage (I italicized it so that you will google it since I'm sure this basic concept will be lost on you). In other words, when it costs to much to do a certain business, business owners will find ways to lower costs in hope of staying IN business, especially when they can find good help cheaper elsewhere. This is great for manufacturing companies, newly formed companies, and companies that are struggling to make due.

When you think about it, what kind of jobs are being exported? Telemarketing... and what? Blue collar jobs? Now, I realize that our middle class consists of blue collar workers, but what do you think will happen in the long term? Just think about it before answering me.

Anyway, what is immoral about keeping your business alive? By exporting jobs we strengthen something called globalization. Google that, too, because I'm sure you're clueless again.

College degrees are must have these days if you want to be financially stable in an honest way.

preach on !!!

ignorant people will stick together like glue.

HOW ARE YOU GUNNA STOMP ON A 14 year old for voicing his thoughts ... you must be really immature to do that? he probably doesnt like bush ... saying something about a song doesnt mean that you should look up all the facts before you listen to it... what dont tell me that you look up what the lyrics mean before you hear a song?? Let him say what he wants to say.  i mean seriously he is just "STATING HIS OPINION" remember that ... you must of remembered from an old TOPIC...hmmmmmm maybe hilary clinton would help.

I'm immature, yes. HAHAH, there's no point in denying that. But I'll tell you what, it's better to be an intelligent immature person, than to be a stupid one.

Look up the lyrics? What on earth are you talking about? Clearly, you do not understand the intention behind my reply, which worries me as to how you will understand what I wrote in the above paragraphs. Oh well, I'm sure you'll manage.

I asked him if he will believe something that a rapper says without researching facts on his own. Simple as that. I will ask you the same thing. Kids these days are so gullible. They think so long as a person's a movie star/singer, they'll be the smartest thing alive. I was only worry that certain people will fall into that trap. I only hope to shed on some light in an educational way which is more than I can say about how rude you were to misschrissy.

AND THE WHOLE THING WITH RELIGION & GOVERNMENT
bush does mix it together which is horrible cause it creates madd chaos in the world you can never mix those two together and in presidency bush is somehow doing it.

Uh, yea. If you feel that way then more power to you. I'm agnostic, and I'm fine the way he's doing things. That's just my two cents though and you obviously disagree.

it really pisses me off with gay marriages... you are born gay you cant prevent that.... what about about being straight... do you choose to be straight NO f**kERS you are born that way... thats what i thought. why dont we just stick a dildo up bush's ass and call it a day.

Just to make things clear. It is UNPROVEN whether or not homosexuality is nature or nurture. There is still a controversy over that.

You're another walking talking hypocrite, dear. You want people to accept gays, why? Because gays are people with different way of life with different beliefs, right? Then how come you call straight people who are against homosexuality f**kers? People who are against it are simply the same as homosexuals. They have a different way of life and different beliefs.

Instead of showing your hate, show people tolerance. That's the only way to convince anyone in that controversy.

THE ONLY REASON BUSH WON was because most (not all) of the southern states and the mid western states voted for him... the people who post confederate flags on their windows.. the ones who like war.  The people with rifles who are taught to not like homosexuals.

Uh, yea, shows what you know about real life and you call me immature? You stereotype everything you know and you expect me to be persuaded by you. Don't make me laugh.

and the only reason i think its alright that bush won is because we are in the middle of a war... and it would be unfair and not right if we changed presidents during war.

That's the most generic response I've heard in my life, well, aside from a few others.... But it is the only thing remotely close to thoughful that you've said thus far. Congratulations, have a cookie.

[sadolakced acid]

personally, if bush enacts a nation wide led school prayer ( where they read a bible verse over the intercom) ( and he said he would) i will presonally chant anti-christ things during it. like... hail bush! he is the supreme reincarnation of the great lucifer!


god and government need to be separated for a reason.