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Euthenasia?, wrong or right?
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post Sep 27 2004, 12:16 AM
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QUOTE(needlenymph @ Sep 25 2004, 8:00 PM)
But even if euthanasia became an option for certain cases..that could clear the way for all kinds of stuff...people with clinical depression and other mental illnesses wanting to be euthanized, and all types of other madness O.o...not sure if that door needs to be opened.

As far as if Euthanasia becoming an option... I doubt that if it did that it could be an option for people with mental illnesses. Obviously if people had mental illnesses they would not be in the right frame of mind to make those kinds of decisions. If people are suicidal [consider cases of clinical depression] and Dr.s try to prevent them from comitting suicide, they wouldn't let them make a decision to do an assisted one... did that make any sense? blink.gif

As for euthanasia being an option for breaking your leg??? c'mon now... euthanasia is generally only something considered by people of GREAT suffering. I don't consider it a double standard if it is right for some situations and not right for others. In the medical field there are always different options offered for varying degrees of problems.
 
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post Oct 28 2004, 11:09 PM
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Everyone suffers. Why are they murdered? Pain is just an altered state of mind. Who is anyone to decide when life should end?
 
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post Oct 28 2004, 11:59 PM
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Pro-suffering? Whoa. Talk about sadistic... I don't really have a side on this...at some times, I feel that if you're basically a vegetable, I don't see why you should suffer anymore. Then again, why give up hope? But I believe that there should be documents signed by a person in case this were to happen, explaining that they want the plug pulled on them if it comes down to that someday. I think they have something like that around, but I'm not sure...

i think it's sad, but i think it's their own decision... and that somehting i think is just this one doctor, but he was fired.
 
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post Oct 29 2004, 08:12 AM
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Oct 29 2004, 12:09 AM)
Everyone suffers. Why are they murdered? Pain is just an altered state of mind. Who is anyone to decide when life should end?

Pain is not an altered state of mind, pain is a sensation. It's not murder to use eunthanasia, rather helping a friend. If I were in a coma after a car accident without any hope of coming out - I'd be pretty damn quick to pull the plug.

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there is only right and wrong, quit trying to make a double standard.
Is assisted suicide right when someone just breaks their leg??

When one breaks a limb.. you are not in any great danger. Limbs are easily healed, there's no need to euthanize anybody.

When a person commits an act of euthanasia he brings about the death of another person, soley because he believes the other is better off deceased. He believes that unless he intervenes, life would become horrible and death would be a better reality to face. Euthanasia is benefitial to not only the victim, but the family and friends - they can stop worrying about the patient.
 
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post Oct 29 2004, 08:31 AM
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i think euthenasia isn't right when it's some kid trying to kill himself or something..just cause he/she wants to be dead doesn't mean it would be the right thing for them. however, if someone is lying in a hospital bed with a terminal illness or paralyzed from the neck down or something and they want to die rather than keep living like that, i believe they should have the choice.
 
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post Oct 29 2004, 08:35 AM
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QUOTE(VaguelyAware @ Oct 29 2004, 9:31 AM)
i think euthenasia isn't right when it's some kid trying to kill himself or something..just cause he/she wants to be dead doesn't mean it would be the right thing for them. however, if someone is lying in a hospital bed with a terminal illness or paralyzed from the neck down or something and they want to die rather than keep living like that, i believe they should have the choice.

Voluntary euthanasia has several guidelines..

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Five Individually Necessary Conditions for Candidacy for Voluntary Euthanasia
Advocates of voluntary euthanasia contend that if a person is
(a) suffering from a terminal illness;

(b) unlikely to benefit from the discovery of a cure for that illness during what remains of her life expectancy;

© as a direct result of the illness, either suffering intolerable pain, or only has available a life that is unacceptably burdensome (because the illness has to be treated in ways which lead to her being unacceptably dependent on others or on technological means of life support);

(d) has an enduring, voluntary and competent wish to die (or has, prior to losing the competence to do so, expressed a wish to die in the event that conditions (a)-© are satisfied); and

(e) unable without assistance to commit suicide,
then there should be legal and medical provision to enable her to be allowed to die or assisted to die.


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...  A final preliminary point is that the fourth condition requires that the choice to die not only be voluntary but that it be made in an enduring (not merely a one-off) way and be competent. The choice is one that will require discussion and time for reflection and so should not be settled in a moment. As in other decisions affecting matters of importance, normal adults are presumed to choose voluntarily unless the presence of defeating considerations can be established. The onus of establishing lack of voluntariness or lack of competence is on those who refuse to accept the person's choice. There is no need to deny that it can sometimes be met (e.g. by pointing to the person's being in a state of clinical depression). The claim is only that the onus falls on those who deny that a normal adult's choice is not competent.
 
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post Oct 29 2004, 08:37 AM
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ok well then there ya go. i think that ^ is perfectly fine.
 
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post Oct 29 2004, 12:17 PM
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Medicine is guess work. To know for a fact that someone is going to die is fallacy. A horse that breaks its leg is shot. That is what i was referring to. To stop life prematurely is murder.
 
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post Oct 29 2004, 01:02 PM
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Oct 29 2004, 11:17 AM)
Medicine is guess work. To know for a fact that someone is going to die is fallacy. A horse that breaks its leg is shot. That is what i was referring to. To stop life prematurely is murder.

a horse being shot after hurting its leg isn't euthanasia, so how does that relate to this topic?
 
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post Oct 29 2004, 01:21 PM
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I was comparing it to eutenasia. As if we were to treat the useless or possibly dying as horses with broken legs.
 
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post Oct 29 2004, 01:39 PM
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it's not like people kill them without their consent. if they want to die, then they do.
 
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post Oct 29 2004, 01:51 PM
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They don't know what they want. They are in pain.
 
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i dont believe in euthenasia. like abortion and the death penalty, it is giving people excuses to kill. with the directions were headed, with killing to relieve suffering or the hassle of raising a child and whatnot, at some point in the future killing may become more accepted. its like the sprading of a white law that continues to grow until its a far bigger problem than was ever intended. i mean, if they really want to give serial killers an outlet, then euthenasia would be great, but otherwise murder with even permission is murder (or assisted suicide, which just so happens to be illegal)
 

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