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[*kryogenix*]

I've approached some people with the question, Why John Kerry, even when you acknowlege that he's a lousy candidate? They reply "He's not George Bush. Anyone but Bush."

Well, Ralph Nader isn't George Bush. Michael Badnarik is not George Bush. Why not vote for them?

Most reply, "Because they won't win."

I thought the reason we vote was because we wanted the candidate with the closest ideals to ours to be elected. Not because we wanted to vote for the winning candidate.

Responses?

[ohBrian]

hmm dunno if this has anything to do with ur questions..
but ill tell u what i know about KERRY

first hes better than bush

he looks good than bush

hes an american hero

hes against war (hooray for us younging)

and i will vote for him WHEN I TURN 18 on oct 20 hahahahah

[*kryogenix*]

hmm dunno if this has anything to do with ur questions..
but ill tell u what i know about KERRY

first hes better than bush

he looks good than bush

hes an american hero

hes against war (hooray for us younging)

and i will vote for him WHEN I TURN 18 on oct 20 hahahahah

STAY ON TOPIC.

And at least try to make your posts more understandable.

[inlonelinessidie]

I guess the reason they wouldn't want to vote for them is because if you vote for them that is one less vote for Kerry, and one more vote for Bush. Get what I'm saying?

[Retrogressive]

first of all ohbrian: WTF> he looks better than Bush? Just leave debate now... you see that little X on the top of the screen? Click it, everyone else will be a lot less annoyed.


okay sorry-- I am just sooo tired of people saying "he looks better" "he is cuter" "he looks like ____" GOD! Why don't we just have a f ucking beauty pagent instead of an election?

okay....

to anwser the actual question, I don't think I would vote for either of them if I were old enough. Both are power hungry and people that should not be leading us. BUT I support Kerry because
1. I was raised a democrat (thank god)
2. As dumb as this sounds and as much as I hate saying it, he is the lesser of evils... I would rather have Kerry in office then Bush.
3. It's honestly between him and Bush, I mean there isn't really a big chance Green Party or Independant (even though I would rather have Green Party all the way baby) would win this year because this year it's more BLACK and WHITE.

[Heathasm]

It really annoys me when people say "any one but bush" ...its so...stupid...i wish some one could tell me what bush has really done so wrong to get that response from people...if i were old enough, i'd vote for bush, and i grew up in a democratic family, too

[Retrogressive]

I know I hate it to but honestly that's the only reason you should vote for Kerry he is the lesser of evils. Well I'm sure you have heard what bush has done. Why would you vote for Bush instead of Kerry?

[*kryogenix*]

to quote ComradeRed, voting for the lesser of evils is still voting for evil.

[Heathasm]

I know I hate it to but honestly that's the only reason you should vote for Kerry he is the lesser of evils. Well I'm sure you have heard what bush has done. Why would you vote for Bush instead of Kerry?

i dont think bush is evil, john kerry has shown some though, concerning the war. He's sneding the message to troops in iraq that we arent winning and they all hate us, when that is just a lie. I've heard a number of stories of kids and adults from iraq needing our help, so bad. in one case a kid escaped and said he escaped from iraq but only after saddams regime killed his father raped and killed his brother and mother and raped him he was like praise god for bush and cheney nobody else could have done this praise them. and basically kerry is saying we arent helping, they hate us, and we arent liberating any one....basically my point is no one can tell me why they are voting for kerry, what has he done in the past 20 yrs?? bush has helped liberate over 1500 suffering people. kerry cannot lead this war with what hes telling every one about it, that we are fighting the wrong war, for the wrong cause, and at the wrong time. I think john kerry is wrong . Even the french his friends say they are not going to help him when the time comes, they are not going to get involved. bush is what we need right now in this time which is why people should vote for him

[Spirited Away]

to quote ComradeRed, voting for the lesser of evils is still voting for evil.

I can actually say I love that guy. Where'd he go anyway?

As for monsieur OhBrian:

first hes better than bush

I would agree/disagree with you if you gave reasons as to why you believe so.

he looks good than bush

Looking good is a matter of opinion. I don't think either of them can ever be considered as attractive... maybe in their younger years? I don't know.

AND looks don't do much when making decisions about national crisises.

hes an american hero

So are policemen, figherfighters, teachers, fathers... etc. Do you mean to belittle everyone else?

hes against war (hooray for us younging)

Not every "younging" is against war, m'dear.

[Retrogressive]

wait... Kerry believes that the war was the wrong way to go (totally) but he isn't against it now.

Yes, comradered you are missed in the DEBATE FORUMS!!

[strice]

jesus, these debates go around and around and around in circles. i'll play along.

one of the many reasons bush is a bad choice is that he is willing to admend our lovely constitution to allow discrimination. this goes against the all american ideals of freedom and the right to pursue happiness, and i won't stand for bush to commit such travesty.if he's willing to f**k with one of the greatest documents in history, whats next? extending the length of a presidencial term? abolishing freedom of speech? he's already complained about the freedom offered by the internet. i wouldn't be surprised if he pulls a hitler and claims a "fire in the reichstag" to institute martial law.

[inlonelinessidie]

wait... Kerry believes that the war was the wrong way to go (totally) but he isn't against it now.

Kerry is for the war, but against how our President handled it.

[Retrogressive]

strice: even though you basically quoted Jon Stewart. Will you marry me?

*school girl sigh*

[*CrackedRearView*]

1. I was raised a democrat (thank god)

That's too bad. I'd applaud you if you had your own reasons, but you don't seem to.

I was raised Democrat, and next year I will register Republican.

It's too bad I can't vote until April, because Bush would have one more.

[Heathasm]

jesus, these debates go around and around and around in circles. i'll play along.

one of the many reasons bush is a bad choice is that he is willing to admend our lovely constitution to allow discrimination. this goes against the all american ideals of freedom and the right to pursue happiness, and i won't stand for bush to commit such travesty.if he's willing to f**k with one of the greatest documents in history, whats next? extending the length of a presidencial term? abolishing freedom of speech? he's already complained about the freedom offered by the internet. i wouldn't be surprised if he pulls a hitler and claims a "fire in the reichstag" to institute martial law.

out of the "many" reasons bush shouldnt be president, you sure picked the most controversial, amongst all people, one.
In my opinion gays shouldnt be allowd to MARRY, strictly, MARRIAGE. Marriage is not meant for gays, it never was. Why go against the bible rather than the constitution?
Now, the descrimination is there.

For example: Say you are gay and part of a country club. You and your partner want to play golf together, but your partner isnt part of the club, and since you arent married, your forced to pay a large fee for he or she,(whoever your partner in life is), to play with you. The club will not allow "gay partnership" to be considered in there guidelines for this.

This is actually a true story
you see that it would not be the constitution or the president that would be descriminating against the rights, it is the people, in general; which is really sad, but true.

[inquisitive_]

It really annoys me when people say "any one but bush" ...its so...stupid...i wish some one could tell me what bush has really done so wrong to get that response from people...if i were old enough, i'd vote for bush, and i grew up in a democratic family, too

This is my opinion.

The reason I don't like Bush is because of the war he started. Sure, if I was him I would've went to war too after what happened on September 11,2001 but not necessarily with Iraq. I still don't understand why Iraq? WMD? There aren't any as it has been proven. I just don't understand it.
And also, Bush is opposed to abortions. If a woman isn't ready to have a child then it should be her own decision. For what ever the reason is, it should be her choice and not the government's. By making abortions illegal, wouldn't he be taking away our rights?

Thats two of the reasons to why I don't like Bush. I'm not saying Kerry is the best man for the job but I have faith that he can do better. I'm not old enough to vote but if I was, Kerry would be my choice.

[Heathasm]

there were no wmd cause the intel was wrong

in my opinion i dont consider killing your baby a right

sorry thats such a short reply but im typed out and that basically says all i have to say

[ghjgfkgfk]

Well, Ralph Nader isn't George Bush. Michael Badnarik is not George Bush. Why not vote for them?

Most reply, "Because they won't win."

I thought the reason we vote was because we wanted the candidate with the closest ideals to ours to be elected. Not because we wanted to vote for the winning candidate.

Responses?

first off, i dont like kerry nor bush.

hes an american hero

john kerry keeps on rubbing in his past prizes/shit in our faces. NOTE: i dont care how many damn purple hearts you won. i want to know what you will do in the future, not what you did in the past.

Why John Kerry, even when you acknowlege that he's a lousy candidate?

why ask a biased question?

i dont like kerry because whatever city he is in, he goes with what they say just so he can get more votes. he says he is pro-choice, but later he says he supports pro-life.

its so hard for me to hate g. bush. i dont know, its like trying to hate a monkey who blow yp half of the world. you just cant hate a cute monkey.

(i guess this sort of fits in this topic..)
http://www.johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com/

  This, of course, brings us sharply to a point: we need new leadership in this country, and we need it badly. I am not one who is known to meddle in politics, or, in all honesty, prior to this election year, vote. However, I feel so strongly that the fate of this great nation, and indeed even the modern world as we know it, hinges solely on this election, that I felt compelled to put my thoughts to word. And those thoughts are...
    John Kerry is a douchebag, but I'm voting for him anyway.

[Spirited Away]

And also, Bush is opposed to abortions. If a woman isn't ready to have a child then it should be her own decision. For what ever the reason is, it should be her choice and not the government's. By making abortions illegal, wouldn't he be taking away our rights?

Democratic view on abortion:

Calls for defending a "woman's right to choose,'' and voices support for family planning and adoption. Says "abortion should be safe, legal and rare.''

LMAO, how can it be rare when it's conveniently legal?

Anyway, I'm not pro life, but that's one of the things I find most contradicting with the democrats. They don't even have the guts to say that it's immoral, but they just say that it should be rare.

[strice]

out of the "many" reasons bush shouldnt be president, you sure picked the most controversial, amongst all people, one.
In my opinion gays shouldnt be allowd to MARRY, strictly, MARRIAGE. Marriage is not meant for gays, it never was. Why go against the bible rather than the constitution?
Now, the descrimination is there.

For example: Say you are gay and part of a country club. You and your partner want to play golf together, but your partner isnt part of the club, and since you arent married, your forced to pay a large fee for he or she,(whoever your partner in life is), to play with you. The club will not allow "gay partnership" to be considered in there guidelines for this.

This is actually a true story
you see that it would not be the constitution or the president that would be descriminating against the rights, it is the people, in general; which is really sad, but true.

most of what you wrote was rather in comprehensible but i'll try to answer to what i think you're saying.

so you say that doing something that doesn't quite agree with the bible is discrimination? policies should not be based on such a silly book, considering the weight the founding fathers put upon the separation of church and state. Being gay is natural and is found in animals other than humans. also, nobody cares if people discriminate, it can't be really stopped. it's only a problem if the government that supposedly embodies liberty endorses it.

[Heathasm]

most of what you wrote was rather in comprehensible but i'll try to answer to what i think you're saying.

so you say that doing something that doesn't quite agree with the bible is discrimination? policies should not be based on such a silly book, considering the weight the founding fathers put upon the separation of church and state. Being gay is natural and is found in animals other than humans. also, nobody cares if people discriminate, it can't be really stopped. it's only a problem if the government that supposedly embodies liberty endorses it.

sorry that i didnt read over my post. i know that being gay is natural. I was pointing out that banning gay marriages is not discrimination. The people are the ones who discriminate. look how it has evolved over the years, maybe one day it wont be there, but that is just how it is now, and throwing a fit over it seems kind of pointless to me, because i think he is doing the right thing..i say make things right, because making gay marriages legal just so people will not descriminate is not solving the problem, it is just making it more leniant

[angel-roh]

all i know is that bush is telling his words to the truth and he truly believes that he can save our world to a better new world and that he can protect our world better...

but kerry doesnt care... i dont think he doesnt care at all... he doesnt care about our world... he doesnt want no war, he wants no higher taxes... he wants all the bad things happen to our united states... everything he's trying to ruin... i mean don't you guys think the same way...he's not helping our world..he's just ruining it... seriously you guys should know better than that. i am against the iraq war too but all im saying is that kerry doesnt love his country at all...

[gigiopolis]

That makes a lot of sense. I guess this just shows us how stupid people are when it comes to voting. I guess you could say any president who won an election was just a fluke. People don't know who to vote for! They don't vote for Bush for inadequate reasons, they don't vote for Nader or Badnarik because they're not going to win - what kind of logic is that?

If Kerry wins this...it's a complete fluke. If anyone wins, as a matter fact, it will be a fluke. You could even say people just vote randomly. It's completely unfair for those who actually have TRUE reasons.

[strice]

barelyy coherent, you live up your to your name.

heathasm, i think you missed what i said. i acknowledge that people will be the ones doing the discrimination, but the government will be the one giving them the authority to do so, should bush be reelected. i dont' see how it isn't discrimination. if they passed a law saying that irish can't marry, people would be quick to label it as discrimination.

and i don't see what you find flawed in the reasoning of voting for kerry instead of nader or whoever else. of course you vote for someone who has the same values, but whats the point if these ideals are never realised? it makes much more sense to vote for someone who has a fighting chance and adheres to most of what you value. you don't bet on a lame horse.